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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    ??? Barb said she was able to view the custody order online. exparte. I have not seen them, but barb viewed them online with him.

    I'm thinking... tiredly... his attorney isn't doing everything he or she can for him.

    too tired to think about this more tonight.. will look at it again in the am.
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    I also received a message from this guy on MySpace. I've also seen the custody order. From what I've learned / been told, the reason the cops or whoever can't enfore it is because the mother took off when SHE had custody, and it wasn't changed until afterward. Also, the reason he can't put up flyers stating that she has been abducted is because she technically wasn't at the time.

    This is one big giant mess right now. This guy seems really nice, but I really don't know what to think right now. He also told me...a week ago or so...that his phone was shut off and he wanted someone to pay his bill for him. So, unless someone broke down and is doing it for him, he's got something to straighten out. Also, I'm not accusing him of anything, but since the police aren't helping, how do we know that they don't have a reason for keeping the child away from him?

    Just want to clarify that I am NOT accusing him of anything, just trying to put the pieces together. If it was as clear-cut as he says it is, he should be getting help from the police. And if it is that way, and they simply aren't helping, then we need to do something.


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    Fell asleep earlier. Woke up. My usual middle of the night up for a bit.

    Where I am now confused. Did he have a visitation order prior to the mom taking off? What did he do to enforce the visitation order if anything? You know show up at designated pick up place, get receipt to prove time of arrival another for when he left. witnesses, police to acompany him for pick up The standards....

    I'm now wondering if he did not do any of that and went immediately for the missing persons report and the ex parte custody order. that makes sense to me why le would not be helping with the missing persons report. BUT, according to Mike, he thinks LE HAS been in contact with his ex, so why then are they ignorning the custody order? IF he HAS custody, and she can be found then he goes with LE and gets his daughter right?

    Then he and the childs mother hash it out and we make sure he has access to information to educate himself to his rights...

    Custodial interference and visitation interference is a crime in Illinois.

    Was trying to think of his name, it's Jeffrey Leving. He is a huge fathers rights atty in the Chicagoland area. I used to see his ads on TV all the time. Quite a succesful atty.
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    hope that makes sense, hoping to get back to sleep soon.
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    Well we could do what we do in other cases-we call LE. Tell them we have been asked to help advocate the situation, but we want to know if we are getting the full story.

    Mike and the attorney have to get her served with the new orders. So they need an address.

    We can focus on that for him-I am sure he loves his daughter and misses her. But we don't know what the dynamics were that led up to this-if LE is protecting her and the child, then something is amiss IMO.

    However-the ex parte order can be enforced, depending on how specifically it is written.

    The thing is his attorney knows all of this too-at least Mike has representation. I know that Mom took off in March according to the website-when did he get his ex parte orders? Does anyone know when they are dated?

    It would hurt me greatly if our Cubby spent her newly acquired strength running around for this poor man without having the whole picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Fell asleep earlier. Woke up. My usual middle of the night up for a bit.

    Where I am now confused. Did he have a visitation order prior to the mom taking off? What did he do to enforce the visitation order if anything? You know show up at designated pick up place, get receipt to prove time of arrival another for when he left. witnesses, police to acompany him for pick up The standards....

    I'm now wondering if he did not do any of that and went immediately for the missing persons report and the ex parte custody order. that makes sense to me why le would not be helping with the missing persons report. BUT, according to Mike, he thinks LE HAS been in contact with his ex, so why then are they ignorning the custody order? IF he HAS custody, and she can be found then he goes with LE and gets his daughter right?

    Then he and the childs mother hash it out and we make sure he has access to information to educate himself to his rights...

    Custodial interference and visitation interference is a crime in Illinois.

    Was trying to think of his name, it's Jeffrey Leving. He is a huge fathers rights atty in the Chicagoland area. I used to see his ads on TV all the time. Quite a succesful atty.
    here is his site:
    http://www.dadsrights.com/
    hope that makes sense, hoping to get back to sleep soon.

    Mom had sole custody-dad claims he had a visitation order. Most arrangements like this include a statement that neither party can relocate outside of 250 miles without written permission of the court. So maybe she is not more than 250 miles away?

    Did anyone check out Mom and Dad to see if they have records? I do not have full names so I haven't been able to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho4Groenes View Post
    I also received a message from this guy on MySpace. I've also seen the custody order. From what I've learned / been told, the reason the cops or whoever can't enfore it is because the mother took off when SHE had custody, and it wasn't changed until afterward. Also, the reason he can't put up flyers stating that she has been abducted is because she technically wasn't at the time.

    This is one big giant mess right now. This guy seems really nice, but I really don't know what to think right now. He also told me...a week ago or so...that his phone was shut off and he wanted someone to pay his bill for him. So, unless someone broke down and is doing it for him, he's got something to straighten out. Also, I'm not accusing him of anything, but since the police aren't helping, how do we know that they don't have a reason for keeping the child away from him?

    Just want to clarify that I am NOT accusing him of anything, just trying to put the pieces together. If it was as clear-cut as he says it is, he should be getting help from the police. And if it is that way, and they simply aren't helping, then we need to do something.
    Right now, Mike is using his cell phone (over his minutes), and his sister's phone. He has used all his money on his legal battle. He has posted his attorney's phone number on the website, and you can call her also for her story, which I believe.

    According to the Parental Kidnapping Prevention Act, and the National Child Search Assistance Act, it shouldn't matter that she had custody before she went missing. They should still file a missing person report.

    http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/pkpa.php
    http://travel.state.gov/pdf/assistanceact1990.pdf

    LE has no right to decide the merits of one case or another. They are bound by law to file the report and investigate it and do all possible to find the child. If child custody is in question, then it is up to the civil courts to make a further determination on that. Up until that point, because the mother violated a court order by removing the child (which was not allowed under the child custody order), the custody of the child has been awarded to Mike. In addition, the court has seen fit to grant Mike a protective order for both him and Emily against the mother.

    A fund is being set up, in Emily's name, controlled by the attorney, for help with legal funds. Mike is working part time and is a student. He is looking for full time employment.

    ETA - Wowza, I just re-read my post, and realized I came off as pretty curt in this, and I apologize if anyone took it as that. I was in a hurry to get to the doc, and by no means was trying to be curt or short with anyone. So sorry if it came across like this. I agree 100% with needing to put the pieces together....after all, it is a child that is at stake here !!
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    I am going to be gone to the doc for a while this morning. Here is what I would suggest, if you guys are willing to do so:

    Cubby and Believe or Christine? can you guys get on a 3 way with his attorney and check out his story and see how you come away feeling? Right now, I feel this guy is in the right. I feel LE is doing what they do to a lot of fathers in "custody issues", and that is ignore them/brush them off. I hope I'm not wrong about him, but maybe I am. For a young kid of 23 to have spent so much time and money on trying to get/keep visitation rights with his daughter, and then get her back when mom disappears, I just don't get the feeling he's the "bad guy" here. I've been wrong before though !!

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    Does anyone have his DOB? Is it in June 1985?
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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    Does anyone have his DOB? Is it in June 1985?
    I think it is in Aug 1985, but I am not 100% certain on this date. I have a call in to him to verify.
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    UUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH-I cannot tell you why this case is bugging me so much, but my whatever meter is PINGING....I want to see the docs and talk to mom myself.....

    I am waiting for LE to call me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    UUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH-I cannot tell you why this case is bugging me so much, but my whatever meter is PINGING....I want to see the docs and talk to mom myself.....

    I am waiting for LE to call me.

    LOL....I know. It's bugging the bejeepers out of me. If I hadn't been so involved in the fallout from the Baby Grace / Riley Ann Sawyers case, his story might not ring true at all to me. I now have a much different perspective on these types of cases though. Riley's dad and grandmother tried to file a missing person report and LE wouldn't do it, lawyer couldn't get them to do it, nothing. We all know what happened there. Even though Riley's mom's family was in contact w/her, she still ended up dead.

    I am going to have Mike give his lawyer permission to send me all the paperwork next week. He has offered to share it with me. So far, he has been very open with me...I think. Even gave me his user name/password for his MySpace account.

    Yesterday, he called me frantic because some teenager had told him on MySpace that her ex-bf had raped her. The ex-bf then contacted him and admitted to the rape. In the middle of all this going on w/Emily yesterday, Mike stopped and called the FBI, who didn't know what he was talking about. He called me and asked how to help get protection for this teenage girl? I've now made some reports and am waiting to hear back. I've seen the postings/messages/profiles, etc. in that story. Everything Mike told me on that one was true.

    i don't know, maybe my soft heart is getting the best of me. I'm trying to take a look at the big picture. I am usually a big backer of LE, but in this case, I can't help but feel they may be in the wrong here.
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    Ok everyone.. Here is one more thought.... perhaps we could be of assistance to 'mediate' between Mike and Emily's mom.... that may be a waste of time, but I hate seeing a parent denied access to their child IF that parent is not a threat to the child.

    As a never married single mother myself, I can verify that most of the support forums for single parents are exclusively female. Most are NOT father friendly. Many encourage NOT to file for cs because it gives fathers rights.... This is ESPECIALLY true for never married parents. I saw it at babycenter and at a few other forums. IT wasn't until I joined Teri Stoddards SP forum on yahoo that my thoughts changed and she was an instrumental part in helping my sons father and I work together. She gave me the guys perspective after my influence on those 'other' forums. ETA: Yes, she can still get on my last nerve at times being somewhat more on the 'extreme' left of the FR stuff, as she is a member of Fathers 4 Justice.. and some of the more out there FR groups. i do NOT want to influence Mike with that stuff... they are an angry group.

    Also, that Judianne who sent the email that I posted earlier has 25 or so years with mediator experience in IL. We can keep her in mind if nec. Not sure where in IL she is, but if she is not in the area she acn certainly refer us to someone in Mikes area.

    I have to say, until we have facts to prove otherwise I am going to keep an open mind on this one, but by all means we should research it to make sure we are not being duped.

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    I like this Cubby. If we can locate mom, I would like to hear her side also. I like the mediator idea. I hate the idea of any child being denied a parent unless they are an abusive parent.

    I have a 25 year old daughter, mom to my 2 1/2 year old granddaughter. She's divorced, and was before the baby was born. Hubby and I have had to mediate several times. No matter how mad I have been at baby's dad at times, he does love his daughter, and she needs him in her life. There is no way I would support my daughter refusing to let dad see his baby, unless there was abuse and then I would fight tooth and nail to make sure he didn't have access to her.

    Like you, I am going to keep an open mind. Right now, LE is sure putting the pressure on Mike to discontinue his fight to get Emily back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Ok everyone.. Here is one more thought.... perhaps we could be of assistance to 'mediate' between Mike and Emily's mom.... that may be a waste of time, but I hate seeing a parent denied access to their child IF that parent is not a threat to the child.

    As a never married single mother myself, I can verify that most of the support forums for single parents are exclusively female. Most are NOT father friendly. Many encourage NOT to file for cs because it gives fathers rights.... This is ESPECIALLY true for never married parents. I saw it at babycenter and at a few other forums. IT wasn't until I joined Teri Stoddards SP forum on yahoo that my thoughts changed and she was an instrumental part in helping my sons father and I work together. She gave me the guys perspective after my influence on those 'other' forums. ETA: Yes, she can still get on my last nerve at times being somewhat more on the 'extreme' left of the FR stuff, as she is a member of Fathers 4 Justice.. and some of the more out there FR groups. i do NOT want to influence Mike with that stuff... they are an angry group.

    Also, that Judianne who sent the email that I posted earlier has 25 or so years with mediator experience in IL. We can keep her in mind if nec. Not sure where in IL she is, but if she is not in the area she acn certainly refer us to someone in Mikes area.

    I have to say, until we have facts to prove otherwise I am going to keep an open mind on this one, but by all means we should research it to make sure we are not being duped.

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    Based on Cook County court records it appears he has sole physical custody because his child support order was terminated as well. It would not have been if he was only granted legal custody.

    Also, the mother has NOT filed anything against him.(No DV issues...) He initiated paternity, child support AND visitation HIMSELF. It appears at one point either she or her attorney attempted to have paternity request vacated.

    How do we find her so Mike can have her served? Mom sounds like a nut case, who retaliated against mike for filing for a decrease in child support- which was granted- and I am assuming that has to do with his furthering his education to be able to better support his daughter. So, it looks like Mom is withholding Emily based on Child Support- which happens ALL too often, and uh, is illegal.

    Custodial interference in IL is illegal. Mike has TWO routes here and imo he needs to pursue both the custodial interference and the missing persons report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barb0301 View Post
    I like this Cubby. If we can locate mom, I would like to hear her side also. I like the mediator idea. I hate the idea of any child being denied a parent unless they are an abusive parent.

    I have a 25 year old daughter, mom to my 2 1/2 year old granddaughter. She's divorced, and was before the baby was born. Hubby and I have had to mediate several times. No matter how mad I have been at baby's dad at times, he does love his daughter, and she needs him in her life. There is no way I would support my daughter refusing to let dad see his baby, unless there was abuse and then I would fight tooth and nail to make sure he didn't have access to her.

    Like you, I am going to keep an open mind. Right now, LE is sure putting the pressure on Mike to discontinue his fight to get Emily back.
    This just steams me. Who are they to make that determination? They have NO right... Mike should ask for that in writing and then sue them for discrimination. when does LE get to decide fathers should NOT have custody?
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