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08-31-2008, 06:49 PM #1
Casey & Family Psychological Profile #2
Discuss the family dynamics and psychological profiles of Casey and family in a constructive way, please do so here.
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The 30 characteristics of the manipulator (psychopath, in French "perverse narcissist") from the book "Les manipulateurs sont parmi nous" by Isabelle Nazare Aga.
In order for a person to be a psychopath, at least 14 items from this list must be present as permanent traits. For example item 18: almost everyone has told a lie at some points in their life, but item 18 only applies if a person uses lies as a habitual strategy.
 1 Burdens others with guilt while appealing to family ties, friendship, professional ethics;
 2 evades responsibilities or pushes them onto others;
 3 remains vague in the communication of his/her claims, needs, feelings and opinions;
 4 often gives vague answers;
 5 changes opinion, behaviour and feelings depending on people and situations;
 6 makes use of logical arguments to camouflage claims;
 7 wants to make others believe that they have to be perfect, that they can never change their mind, that they have to know everything and have to respond immediately to claims and questions;
 8 disputes the qualities, the ability and the personality of others;
criticises without giving that impression, despises and condemns;
 9 lets others convey his/her messages;
 10 creates havoc (fights), creates distrust, divides to be better able to rule;
 11 positions himself/herself as a victim to elicit compassion;
 12 ignores or does not honour requests even if he/she declares that they will be taken care of;
 13 misuses ethical principles of others to serve own interests;
 14 threatens in underhanded ways or commits open chantage (blackmail);
 15 suddenly changes the subject in the course of a conversation;
 16 avoids or flees relationships and togetherness;
 17 targets the ignorance of others and creates an impression of superiority;
 18 lies;
 19 tells lies to find out the truth
 20 is egocentric;
 21 can be jealous;
 22 does not bear criticism and negates evidence;
 23 does not care for the rights, opinions and wishes of others;
 24 often uses the very last moment to give commands to others or to instigate them to act;
 25 his/her words seem to be logical or coherent while the attitude and behaviour give evidence of the opposite;
 26 he/she exerts himself/herself in making compliments in order to gain your sympathy, gives presents, becomes suddenly very caring for you;
 27 gives you an uneasy, unfree feeling;
 28 extremely expert in accomplishing own goals, but at the expense of others;
 29 pressures us to do things that we would not do of our own accord;
 30 is the subject of conversations all the time, even if he/she is not present.
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10-12-2008, 10:11 PM #2Former Member
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Casey's psychological profile #2
Please continue posting here.
10-13-2008, 10:39 AM #3
<Wikipedia as an authoritative source? Surely, you jest?>
Interesting that you say that after you provided no links in either post...just a theory that you present as facts and the "truth" regarding any differences between sociopaths and psychopaths. However, are you disputing that the quote is indeed the official stance of the APA? If you are, I suggest you pick up a copy of the DSM and review. If not, what is your point?
As I indicated in another post, what you put out there as "fact" is only one of many theories involving the definitions and distinctions of psychopathy and sociopathy vs. antisocial personality disorder. Again, I ask, please provide a link and explain that you are sharing what you believe to be an accurate description of such differences, and not the only or the accepted definitions of such "syndromes". I am not disputing the information you are sharing as I know there are many who have this view. Instead I have issue with how you present it...as fact. How many different distinctions and definitions of sociopath and psychopath would say are out there? There are significant differences among any diagnositic category within the DSM...not all people diagnosed with Bipolar exhibit the same symptoms or intensity of symptoms, not all those with OCD, PTSD, etc., etc. It isn't a matter of overlooking differences, within people or within a diagnosis. It is a matter of stating 'this is one way to look at it" rather than "this is how it is."
12-14-2008, 09:59 AM #4
12-14-2008, 10:04 AM #5
12-14-2008, 10:10 AM #6Age. Fac ut gaudeam
12-14-2008, 04:05 PM #7
I think she has a neuroses at best, but I am skeptical of that as well.
12-14-2008, 10:15 AM #8
As has been stated by others, NO MATTER WHAT KC's official diagnosis might be (cause I think we can argue about this until the cows come home and not resolve it)-----------HOW DID SHE GET THAT WAY? WHAT CAUSED IT? I believe that is the answer.........not the disorder itself. MOO
12-14-2008, 10:36 AM #9
12-14-2008, 10:40 AM #10
IMO ASPD is a rather flat category based upon conduct and behavior, whereas psychopathy contemplates behavioral, motivational and emotional traits. When I say psychopath, I don't mean ASPD. I mean ASPD-plus.
Diane Downs was diagnosed as having HPD, NPD and ASPD. She was also classified as a psychopath.
12-14-2008, 10:45 AM #11
12-14-2008, 02:57 PM #12
In my college courses we are not allowed to use Wikipedia as a source....
10-13-2008, 11:16 AM #13Former Member
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People with personality issues aren't like people who join a country club. Simply having "membership" in one disorder or another doesn't mean that the individual won't have his/her own unique slants. Arguing the differences is really an academic exercise that makes it difficult for even most professionals to agree. I believe the only issue at hand should be whether Casey can ever make the claim for temporary insanity. Insanity, we all must remember, is a legal term and not one used in psychology or psychiatry.
You'll all recall she was administered a psych eval which was then sealed by the court. Until that comes out, we can only speculate. That isn't a bad thing, but getting mired in the details seems futile. We ultimately don't get to make that determination anyway. All we can do is observe and state what is observed while attempting to explain it. Observation and explanation are of course based on one's experiences in life.
10-13-2008, 11:43 AM #14
10-13-2008, 12:23 PM #15
Diagnosis of mental health problems is not an exact science. You commonly see a person given completely different diagnoses from two or more equally qualified clinicians. You now see the difficulty the APA has when they are faced with the tasks of developing diagnostic categories. Their goal is to be accurate/specific without attempting to fit people into even smaller "boxes".
The part of your post I don't agree with is that our interest here should be confined to the insanity issue. I think that would be a short conversation. I'm all for sharing opinions as long as we clearly state they are opinions. I guess the only "opinion" that matters regarding the legal aspect with be the diagnosis Casey receives in any psych eval presented to the court. That diagnosis will come from the DSM-IV-TR.
10-13-2008, 01:01 PM #16Former Member
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10-13-2008, 02:17 PM #17
I agree that most of the recent discussion is actually useless in helping us to better understand what makes Casey run. I didn't mean it to turn into a pissing contest and apologize for any part I had in that. I simply wanted to clarify that sociopath and psychopath are not recognized diagnoses.
12-14-2008, 10:05 AM #18
KC does not fit the criteria for legal insanity, because she knew she did wrong and tried to escape the consequences.
Axis II disordered people are not psychotic, though they can become psychotic. KC is not psychotic. She is sociopathic.Age. Fac ut gaudeam
10-13-2008, 12:29 PM #19
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10-13-2008, 01:06 PM #21
Once there put in the case number in the search for case numbers:
2008-CF-0010925 [These are NUMBERS]-O [This is the letter "O"]
You will see the case file which is public record. Under the section that has the motions you will see the following:
7/22/08 Court orders psychological evaluation by Dr. XXXXXXXX and Dr. XXXXX. [I deleted the names.]
7/31/08 Mental evaluations filed.
There are all kinds of goodies to see, if you're interested. Like how she filed as indigent, how she had a public defender, etc.
10-13-2008, 02:23 PM #22
10-13-2008, 02:38 PM #23Former Member
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Sociopath or psychopath, as my dear grandmother used to say, "the chil' ain' right."
But thank you for your kind dis-invitation.
10-15-2008, 08:29 AM #24Former Member
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Her tears & what they may mean...
Casey shed a few tears yesterday........she continued to wipe them ....to wipe them away or was she wiping them and observing them at the same time? You decide.
I believe Casey was actually in "aw" at the fact that she was able to shed those few tears yesterday while standing next t Baez at the presser. She looked helpless and also looked to her hero of a lawyer in admiration.
I saw the repeat of the clip many times and if you watch her carefully she is actually checking to see herself if they are actually tears. She kept them in check all of this time. She wasnt forcing those tears, they came and went as certain things were said. IMO, I dont think she is much of a cryer to start with. I think it even amazes her that they were in there.
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