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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    Have you thought that the words on the postcard are Seka's real name or her parent's name? I have a strong feeling that it is and that maybe it was written when the card was mailed ( posted).

    Annasmom, help me understand this. Anna was 6 years old. She didn't pack a bag and move out. LE searched the creek for her. It was not determined that she had drowned. Why didn't local LE pursue her case as a Missing Child case? What about just plain Kidnapping, which has existed as a crime against children at least back to the Lingbergh kidnapping and the law reforms related to kidnappings at that time?
    I would think the statue of limitations has run out. Am I correct since Anna, if living, is an adult?
    SJ, I'll answer your question from the other thread here. Of course, anything is possible, but if you read the early descriptions of the case, you see that no single indication was ever found that Anna went into the creek. That was the first place we looked, because that was the most immediate danger, but it was searched in every possible way over a period of years, by divers, hikers, people on horseback, sniffer dogs. Even the US Geological Survey contributed to these reports. Because of the initial press coverage, lots of people were left with the impression that she did to into the creek.

    Second, Anna's case WAS pursued as a missing child case and the case is still listed with LE and the NCMEC as a "probable non-family abduction". Her father was followed by LE for several days and by a private investigator later on.

    Yes, the statute of limitations on kidnapping has run out.

    Regarding the Seka scribble, there's no telling what it is. If they couldn't find it with a spectrometer or whatever sophisticated device that lab was using, then it's anybody's guess. The whole association with Seka happened years after Anna disappeared, and we don't know whether she had any connection or not. However, she obviously DID have a connection with the Georges which lasted some time, unlike their other associations.

    Thank you for giving your thoughts on all this. It really helps to have someone else looking at everything, because we never know when a new possibility might come up.

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    Annasmom, thank you so much. How important do you think " Seka" is at this point?
    What do you feel in your heart, regarding Anna? Do you believe she is alive and well? I believe in trusting our feelings about loved ones.

    Anna's case has always captivated me, but I have not had as much time to spend on it as I wish I had.
    With respect for you and your family,

    Maria

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    Postcard - The Examiner's Report

    The Forensic Document Examiner had difficulties identifying the obliterated text. She could only identify the number 4 (see the marked scan). I was then able to determine that this number was stamped on the postcard by the post office. There is a round ink stamp and the Croatian Coat of Arms stamped close to it.

    I believe the rest of the obliterated text was written by Seka. It seems to me a telephone number is written on the second line.

    People from that part of the world often write additional information in that area of postcards, such as their name and address.

    If you open the scan in the Microsoft Office Picture Manager, you can change brightness, contrast, and color. You can also zoom in and out.

    Would anyone be willing to try to see if anything else could be identified on the postcard?

    SCAN:



    MARKED SCAN:



    HIGHER CONTRAST:


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    it are several handwriting and numbers as I can understand
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    Wow! Thanks, Raf. This is really interesting. I was looking for words and numbers similar in size to the legible parts of the letter.

    Now it looks like the obliterated text includes some large-size words and numbers and some tiny words and numbers.

    On the right of the first obliterated line, I see the numbers 341 237 3873 or 341 237 3874. Area code 341 is an old area code which shows overlay on 510 which refers to 925. 925 is defined as: California: Contra Costa area: Antioch, Concord, Pleasanton, Walnut Creek (split from 510)

    http://www.bennetyee.org/ucsd-pages/area.html#510

    So, the number becomes 925-237-3873 or 925-237-3874.

    The reverse number search shows these telephone numbers are in Antioch, CA.


    http://www.reversephonedetective.com...p=925-237-3874

    I also see 38230 on the second line of the first obliterated text. That could be the zip code for Greenfield, Tennessee.

    Now, the question is what does it all mean, if anything?


    Quote Originally Posted by raf View Post
    it are several handwriting and numbers as I can understand

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    I don't believe that 925 split off from 510 until the 1990's. In the 1970's, I believe that the operative area codes were 415 (SF and the Pennisula), 510 (All East Bay), 408 (San Jose area) and 707 (Marin, Sonoma county and the coastal areas north to the Oregon border).
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    By the way, how large is the handwriting that is unchanged on the postcard? If it is "normal" size, then these "covered" numbers and words must be microscopic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KivaSupporter View Post
    Wow! Thanks, Raf. This is really interesting. I was looking for words and numbers similar in size to the legible parts of the letter.

    Now it looks like the obliterated text includes some large-size words and numbers and some tiny words and numbers.

    On the right of the first obliterated line, I see the numbers 341 237 3873 or 341 237 3874. Area code 341 is an old area code which shows overlay on 510 which refers to 925. 925 is defined as: California: Contra Costa area: Antioch, Concord, Pleasanton, Walnut Creek (split from 510)

    http://www.bennetyee.org/ucsd-pages/area.html#510

    So, the number becomes 925-237-3873 or 925-237-3874.

    The reverse number search shows these telephone numbers are in Antioch, CA.


    http://www.reversephonedetective.com...p=925-237-3874

    I also see 38230 on the second line of the first obliterated text. That could be the zip code for Greenfield, Tennessee.

    Now, the question is what does it all mean, if anything?
    Hi, it are several numbers, and seeming a sort of numerology phrase...
    this I can read:
    39...223
    54...37
    342237387
    88577328
    ....77
    47040
    98973..3
    3777398522
    and this words:
    Larry L..tsesles
    Mas..all
    ...akland

    the language is not english.. but strange words as eifee...
    all write in very little size and on other more large and also transversal....

    bye, raf

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    The size seems to be comparable to the size of letters and numbers on a postmark, maybe a bit smaller.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie View Post
    By the way, how large is the handwriting that is unchanged on the postcard? If it is "normal" size, then these "covered" numbers and words must be microscopic.

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    Thank you for the clarification.

    So, if I understand it correctly, if that were a phone number, it would be somewhere in California?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie View Post
    I don't believe that 925 split off from 510 until the 1990's. In the 1970's, I believe that the operative area codes were 415 (SF and the Pennisula), 510 (All East Bay), 408 (San Jose area) and 707 (Marin, Sonoma county and the coastal areas north to the Oregon border).


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    Quote Originally Posted by KivaSupporter View Post
    Wow! Thanks, Raf. This is really interesting. I was looking for words and numbers similar in size to the legible parts of the letter.

    Now it looks like the obliterated text includes some large-size words and numbers and some tiny words and numbers.

    On the right of the first obliterated line, I see the numbers 341 237 3873 or 341 237 3874. Area code 341 is an old area code which shows overlay on 510 which refers to 925. 925 is defined as: California: Contra Costa area: Antioch, Concord, Pleasanton, Walnut Creek (split from 510)

    http://www.bennetyee.org/ucsd-pages/area.html#510

    So, the number becomes 925-237-3873 or 925-237-3874.

    The reverse number search shows these telephone numbers are in Antioch, CA.


    http://www.reversephonedetective.com...p=925-237-3874

    I also see 38230 on the second line of the first obliterated text. That could be the zip code for Greenfield, Tennessee.

    Now, the question is what does it all mean, if anything?
    Social Security numbers? (nine digits)...Swiss bank accounts?

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    Wow raf! How did you do that?

    I see two things you posted... I see the 98973 and the 47040. Being 5 digits, I wonder if they are postal zip codes. Is there a numerical zip code directory with city and state? (too late for me to search... now)

    I also noticed an unusual similarity to one of the documents with GB's handwriting. I see a gfge in black,bottom left of top pink area just after the white lettering. The f appears to have the same hand written appearance we have seen before.Was that GB or GW with that unusual written f? Not sure if that makes a difference other than to stand out at me that GB possibly had some influence over Seka for a period of time..until she made the choice to sever ties.

    Could the gfge be an abbreviation for George? Could she have been taking notes from him and the first thing she found to write on was this postcard so she wrote tiny for space?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Wow raf! How did you do that?

    I see two things you posted... I see the 98973 and the 47040. Being 5 digits, I wonder if they are postal zip codes. Is there a numerical zip code directory with city and state? (too late for me to search... now)

    I also noticed an unusual similarity to one of the documents with GB's handwriting. I see a gfge in black,bottom left of top pink area just after the white lettering. The f appears to have the same hand written appearance we have seen before.Was that GB or GW with that unusual written f? Not sure if that makes a difference other than to stand out at me that GB possibly had some influence over Seka for a period of time..until she made the choice to sever ties.

    Could the gfge be an abbreviation for George? Could she have been taking notes from him and the first thing she found to write on was this postcard so she wrote tiny for space?
    Hi Cubby, it is a partial work, because it are many numbers also...
    for what I understand it are almost 2 handwriting of 2 persons..one on other; the 2 little handwriting are the firsts, and on .. other more large....
    the handwritings in little size- and sure 1 is of GB or both... in little size as a myopic person...
    they are essentially numbers used as words, and some word :it are almost 2 gfge word and also other "f" and "Y"as GB handwriting... the words are no comprensible, and only some word is in english as "the-refine-add-call-Mrs" also, above, a partial name: Larry L....sesles ( Larry Lutsesles ? ??? ) .... but maybe I'm in error...
    regards, raf

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    Maybe the small-size writing was written on another piece of paper and the postcard was underneath so there is an impression on the postcard. ???


    Quote Originally Posted by raf View Post
    Hi Cubby, it is a partial work, because it are many numbers also...
    for what I understand it are almost 2 handwriting of 2 persons..one on other; the 2 little handwriting are the firsts, and on .. other more large....
    the handwritings in little size- and sure 1 is of GB or both... in little size as a myopic person...
    they are essentially numbers used as words, and some word :it are almost 2 gfge word and also other "f" and "Y"as GB handwriting... the words are no comprensible, and only some word is in english as "the-refine-add-call-Mrs" also, above, a partial name: Larry L....sesles ( Larry Lutsesles ? ??? ) .... but maybe I'm in error...
    regards, raf

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    Quote Originally Posted by KivaSupporter View Post
    Maybe the small-size writing was written on another piece of paper and the postcard was underneath so there is an impression on the postcard. ???
    It is possible.....
    maybe knowing the numerology, the numbers meaning somethings.....
    bye, raf

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