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    NY - AMBER ALERT: Brittany Fish, 5, Syracuse, 24 April 2005

    LE thinks she was abducted last night while riding her scooter to a friend's house 2 blocks away. The scooter has been found, but no sign of Brittany.

    http://news10now.com/content/all_new...17139&SecID=83

    Here's a picture of Brittany:

    http://news10now.com/content/top_sto...asp?ArID=17158
    Last edited by Juliana; 04-25-2004 at 01:34 PM.

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    They Found Her!

    Bound, and left in an abandoned building, but she's alive!
    Thank God!

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    Any kind of link available?
    Just the facts, Ma'am.

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    OMG this poor little girl, found bound and gagged under a tarp... maybe he was coming back for her later.

    What a nightmare... you have to watch your kids all the time, she was out scootering a block from her home unsupervised.

    So happy she is alive, no reports on if she was sexually assulted... just that she is uninjured pysically, psycologically, who knows

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    more info

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    SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- A missing 5-year-old girl was found bound in duct tape under a tarp at an abandoned warehouse Sunday, and police were looking for a suspect in her disappearance.

    Brittany Fish was in stable condition at University Hospital after the property owner found her at 3:30 p.m. in suburban DeWitt, police said.

    Police were looking for a white or possibly Hispanic man who is in his 40s, thin and balding. Investigators believe the suspect abducted the girl Saturday night in white older model four-door vehicle.

    Brittany's mother told police her daughter left home at 6 p.m. Saturday to visit her friend two blocks away. The mother called the friend's house to see if Brittany arrived safely and called police when she learned she hadn't.

    A child found Brittany's scooter nearby on a storm grate a half hour after Brittany left home. Police alerted residents in the 10-block area about the missing child Saturday night and searched the storm drains for the girl.


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    Now that she is has been found and safe "thank goodness". This guy needs to be caught and taken off the streets, he will learn from his mistakes and act again, unless they put him behind bars. Also the mother best learn from her mistake as well, letting a "five year old" walk alone with no one even watching? If it was only a short distance, there is your answer, "its only a short distance walk her".

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    THe mother let the five year old visit a friend two block's away!

    OMG..................
    The Lord was caring this child.........
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    Reminds you of Leanne Marie Warner(Beaner) - 5 - missing since 6/14/03 except "Leanne's parents waited longer to report her missing and she is still missing.


    If anyone finds out how far away she was found please post it....thank you.

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    She was found 6.5 miles from her home.
    Only my opinions!

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    When are we going to learn that FIVE YEAR OLDS should NOT be going two blocks away from their homes ALONE??? Thank God that this little girl is alive - and ONLY God can be thanked since it appears the adults in her life were too busy.

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    Johnny I agree

    I didn't even know she was missing: First and foremost...THANK GOD!!!!!!!

    #1) Why the hell do we have an Amber Alert if we can't use our GOD GIVEN COMMON SENSE that when a 5 yr old (ALONE) is found missing (scooter in sewer)..5YEARS OLD AGAIN..5 YEARS OLD...we still need to "justify" an Amber Alert? WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR SYSTEM.

    #2) THERE SHOULD BE A LAW OF SOME SORT FOR PARENTS THAT SEND CHILDREN ALONE BLOCKS OR INCHES W/OUT SUPERVISION. You are all right on the Leanna Warner..WHY DOESN'T THESE PEOPLE LEARN.

    First thought when I read this was THAT MOTHER IS CRUEL AND INDECENT to allow at 6:00p (prime time for perverts)..to travel ALONE all of 5yrs. And why the hell did she call and not walk her? Tragedy.

    I have a feeling she was assuaulted and for whoever the poster was that said he will do this again...YOUR RIGHT. And next time he will ensure she won't talk.

    Our laws need to ensure this man never sees daylight. I hope the neighborhood and community come together to ensure this a*s hole pays for her torture.

    Bless her heart..freezing, shivering, scared, hurt...in some hideious, dark, moldy, smelly filthy warehouse.

    God bless this child's recovery.

    Thank God again for answered prayer in helping our helples!!
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    This is surely devine intervention. According to CNN, Brittany was found in an abandoned warehouse by someone who was interested in buying the property and just stopped by to look around.

    Thank God!

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    Missing girl found bound in warehouse
    Monday, April 26, 2004 Posted: 11:27 AM EDT (1527 GMT)



    Police search for the 5-year-old girl before she was discovered at an abandoned warehouse.


    SYRACUSE, New York (AP) -- A 5-year-old girl was found bound in duct tape under a tarp at an abandoned warehouse Sunday, a day after she left home to visit a friend two blocks away.

    A potential buyer of the warehouse in suburban DeWitt found the girl after he heard her crying and looked under the tarp. She was reported in stable condition at University Hospital, and gave authorities a description of her abductor, whom police were searching for Sunday night.

    Police would not say Sunday whether the girl had been abused.

    The girl's mother told police her daughter left their Syracuse home at 6 p.m. Saturday to visit her friend. The mother called the friend's house to see if the girl arrived safely and called police when she learned she hadn't.

    A child found the girl's scooter on a nearby storm grate half an hour after she left home.

    A state police helicopter searched the area with an infrared camera, police and neighbors combed nearby Schiller Park and fire department divers searched for the girl in the storm drain where the scooter was found.

    Authorities alerted nearby residents but did not issue an Amber Alert because the disappearance was not known to be an abduction.

    Police were looking for a thin white or Hispanic man in his 40s. The suspect is balding and had a mustache, police said. Investigators believe the suspect kidnapped the girl in a white older model four-door vehicle with a dirty gray interior.

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    I don't buy the official version...

    Something is wrong with this story... just my opinion maybe... but it doesn't ring completely true.

    If you were a mother who would allow your five-year-old to ride a scooter two blocks to a friend's house... would you also be the type of mother who would call to see if she arrived?? ...and then proceed to call police immediately when told she had not arrived, before searching the route on your own?? If you has such a bad feeling about your daughter arriving at the destination safely... why let her go? It almost smacks of a set-up.

    If the mother had said, "Be home by 7:00," and the girl had not arrived home by 7:15, I could see her calling the friend's house to see if the child even told the friend's mother what time she was due home. SHE'S FIVE YEARS OLD! Can she even tell time? Also... sending the child out at 6:00 PM in New York in April, is almost guaranteeing that that the child would have next-to-no-time to play before returning home... unless she would be scootering home in the dark! I wouldn't let my nearly ten-year-old walk home in the dark from two blocks away... and we live on an Air Force base!! That's about as safe as you can get. This base is surrounded by barbed wire and you have to show a military ID to walk or drive onto the base through the gates. (Sure... military people can be weirdos or perverts in theory. But the likelyhood of not being caught if they used the base as their stalking ground is almost nil.)

    It appears the mother may have had some suspicion (at the very least) that her child was in danger of being kidnapped... or I don't believe she would have called to see if the child arrived. If you have faith enough in the neighborhood to send out a five-year-old on her own to make the two block trip... you wouldn't be likely to worry about her arriving and therefore call to check. Maybe mom owed someone some money or was being threatened by someone?? And what about "Daddy"? Is he in the picture? This, of course, makes the choice to allow the child out of her sight to begin with even more perplexing. But some people are simply lacking in judgement until they actually think about what they just did. That might account for the call to the playmate's house not long after Brittany departed.

    I could be completely off base here... and maybe there are more to the facts than the sketchy things that have been released. But for right now, I think something is totally fishy with this whole thing.

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    Hi Babs.. I am not defending this Mom... it was irresponsible of her to let her 5 year old Scooter off to visit a friend 2 blocks away...

    I just wanted to tell you that it was light tonight until 8:15pm in Toronto... and we have the same conditions as New York - out clocks changed a few weeks ago and every day the light is stretching.

    Having said that, I also had the feeling something was screwy with the Mom's call to the destination of her child.

    I guess we will hear more as the little girl is alive and talking, she has given a description of a man and a car... wonder if the man knew the Mom?

    I would like to hear more about the family and the situation, I would hate to kick someone when they are down, perhaps it was all innocent and this family needs our good wishes not supicions ~ the Police will sort it out and we will hear more.

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    Remember the little African American girl about two years ago. I think she was seven years old, but I am so bad with names. Arrrrggggh!

    Anyway the girl was playing a game with her cousin, I believe, and another friend as well, on the sidewalk near her home. It wasn't long after Samantha Runnion's horrible death. A car drove up to the curb and a man jumped out. The little girls had been told what to do and they all joined hands around a stop sign (I believe) and tried to hold on to the little girl. It was a crowded street corner (inner city)... and there were several witnesses besides the other little girls. And yet the little girl was snatched up all the same.

    The police went to work on that case. They put their all into it and searched and searched, and that little girl was not to be found. But SHE found a way to escape after her captors left her in the basement of an abandoned home. She got free and ran to the nearest neighbor and the police were called. They took her home to a much deserved hero's welcome.

    The girl had not been sexually assaulted... at least that was the story at the time, and I believe she was not. She could name her captors for the police. And the police found out later that a drug debt, or something similar, had been owed these men by the little girl's mother. The girl's abduction had been for the purpose of punishing the mother, and also an attempt to recover money they said was owed to them.

    I have a bad feeling that this is a similar case.

    Though their have been child molesters in the past who kept their victims for an extended period of time, it is the exception. Most child predators would have dropped her somewhere near her home alive, or killed her in the first three hours. And as far as we (as the general public) know, no ransom for the child was ever demanded.

    I think this particular child was taken for a reason. We'll have to see as the facts come out I guess.

    The sun set in Syracuse, New York on April 24th at 7:58PM. That's later than I would have thought, truthfully. But I can imagine it began getting dark by 7:15 and street lights were coming on by 7:40. And still... the time frame isn't leaving much time for Brittany to play with her little friend.
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    Ijust don't get it! My twins are 6 and my son is almost 5. Our yard is fenced in and we live near a busy main road. I won't even let them int he yard alone to to go next door to grandmas house w/o me. Maybe I am paranoid or have a greater sense of awareness. I live in CT and pretty sure we are in a different time zone since sytracuse is upstate NY and about a 6 or 7 hour drive.The sun has been setting here around 7:43.
    I agree something is wrong...but thtas casue i cannot FATHOM a 5yr old being responsible to go 2 blocks and know the time! My girls have had 1 year of kindergarten and smethimes theyget lucky and guess the time..but not accurately.This kind of reminds me of Leanna Warner.
    We are doing something worong as a socirty in this day and age if a 5 year old is left to go out on thier own!!!DON"T these people watch the news?

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    Hello Twinz

    Thank God Brittany is alive!

    I agree! What's up with some parents/legal guardians or 'responsible' adults these days? This is DEFINITELY one of those cases that could have been avoided. I am also angry with the authorities!

    Virtually all this little girl would have had going for her was the support and determination of her community in raising the Amber Alert. She is 5-years old, for God's sakes! We must assume nothing when it comes to children. Nothing, other than commit to immediate action. She did not reach her destination and within an hour had disappeared. What the hell are the authorities doing 'deciding' on her behalf?

    Raise the Amber Alert THEN discuss 'possible theories'. If it turns out to be a false alarm, the authroities should charge or fine the 'responsible parties' for the wrong-call. This would also deter other parents (etc) giving a wrong call but it might bring back another child miraculously found alive. We scream justice for our kids........ but then leave them to suffer while 'authorities' decide if this is a real emergency. What gives!!!???

    Meantime, these parents need serious investigation. They cannot plead ignorance, either! Statistics and history TELLS us something ~ the first 3 or 4 hours are crucial ~ ESPECIALLY when they're so young. I just don't, don't, don't get it.

    More info on this story:

    http://www.syracuse.com/news/poststa...7373214351.xml

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    There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a child this young to be out of the sight of an adult when outdoors for any period of time. She shouldn't have even been checking the mailbox without someone watching her. Samantha Runion was about this age when she was abducted from a few feet from her grandmother's door, raped and murdered. If parents/grandparents, etc., didn't learn a lesson from that case, there is something terribly wrong with them.

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    New.....and interesting alert.........

    It's called 911 Enhanced!
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    http://news10now.com/content/all_new...17343&SecID=83

    911 Center upgrade helped alert neighbors to an abduction
    Updated: 4/27/2004 7:29 AM
    By: Carmen Grant, News 10 Now Web Staff

    The hunt for a predator continues, as police still have not found the man who abducted a 5-year-old girl over the weekend. While Brittany Fish is now safe at home with her family, we now know more about a system that alerted her neighbors of the abduction. A phone message was sent out to thousands of neighbors. It's called enhanced 911.

    The message that many neighbors heard read, "911 center emergency notification system with an important message. Syracuse police are searching for a missing person in your area. The person they are searching for is a Brittany Fish. She is a white female five years of age, was last seen wearing a white and pink t-shirt with I'm a big sister on it, also wearing shorts. She was on a silver scooter with Barbie on it. She was last in the area of 201 Grumback Ave heading towards the 800 block of Highland Street. If you should see Brittany Fish please contact the Syracuse Police Department at 911.”


    911 Center upgrade helped alert neighbors to an abduction

    While Brittany Fish is now safe at home with her family, we now know more about a system that alerted her neighbors of the abduction. A phone message was sent out to thousands of neighbors. It's called enhanced 911.

    Margot Guido couldn't believe her ears. She and about 6,400 people got the alert Saturday evening shortly after Brittany was reported missing by her mother.

    "That's the first time we ever got that a phone call like this. But other way around, it's good to do this so all the people in the neighborhood do know what it is all about," said neighbor Margot Guido.

    What would normally take several hours to notify the public, only took about two hours to alert thousands of people in a ten block radius of Brittany's home.

    "The system is extremely helpful because now instead of having a few set of eyes such as police officers and firefighters, now you have thousands of set of eyes. You turn the neighborhood and the neighbors into responders,” said Edward Healy, 911 Center.

    The system is about two year old and is used for public emergencies like chemical spills, major accidents, and natural disasters. Emergency officials say the system was also put into action in another abduction case.

    "I believe that was an older individual who ended up getting released by her abductor in Oswego County, but the abduction alert was used at that time,” said John Balloni, Deputy Commissioner.

    The 911 Center is also one of the few phase two centers in the nation that able to locate a person through their cell phone.

    "This type of technology and using these new applications will be of great help to law enforcement when identifying missing children. It also enlists the eyes and ears of the public in a very rapid response,” Secretary of State Randy Daniels said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love_Mama
    It's called 911 Enhanced!
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    http://news10now.com/content/all_new...17343&SecID=83

    911 Center upgrade helped alert neighbors to an abduction
    Updated: 4/27/2004 7:29 AM
    By: Carmen Grant, News 10 Now Web Staff

    The hunt for a predator continues, as police still have not found the man who abducted a 5-year-old girl over the weekend. While Brittany Fish is now safe at home with her family, we now know more about a system that alerted her neighbors of the abduction. A phone message was sent out to thousands of neighbors. It's called enhanced 911.
    Fantastic, Love_Mama! Thanks so much for posting this. I didn't know about this Enhanced 911 call earlier. What a relief! It also forces folk to be aware that the possibility of grave danger exists in and around their vicinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolkSaladAnnie
    Fantastic, Love_Mama! Thanks so much for posting this. I didn't know about this Enhanced 911 call earlier. What a relief! It also forces folk to be aware that the possibility of grave danger exists in and around their vicinity.
    Interesting huh PSA.........I just don't know that every city has this.........I never heard of it before either! I know here in San Diego is there is an need to find someone, not necessarily a missing child.....sometimes it's someone who just robbed a store.......whatever, helicopter's fly over the neighborhood and use LOUD speakers........with information. About a month ago one went over giving the description of an older woman, age, what she was wearing in where she was last seen! I actully went out in my car to see if I could find her. Didn't.........and don't know what happened. I'm assuming she was possibly a little senile........and just walked away from where she was living.
    If they didn't find her.......we would have heard on the news.

    Getting back to this little girl, it just make's me furious that her mother would let her our of her sight.........let alone have her walk two block's by herself.
    It is unbelivable. The mother here should be put away somewhere........What's wrong with these people, low IQ's.......on drugs.......
    .............I'm telling you, some people should NEVER have children. I worry about mine and they're all grown up!

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    The answer is that if we have children and want to keep them that we best take care of them and protect them or they have a god chance of becoming a victim.

    I agree with the above post's, we can't leave our kids in our own yard without worrying about them. When I take my kids to the movies I don't see the movies because I'm concerned about my kids and the odd old man two rows back who is at a childrens movie by himself. Or at the mall at the play area and someone seems to be paying to much attention and doesn't have kids with him. At the park and the same car keeps driving past the childrens area.

    I recently took my niece with me to Sams Club and was one aisle away while she was playing on a computer and noticed a man approach her, he didn't notice me and I was only twelve feet away and watched while he attempted to start a coversation with her seeming to be interested in the game but his eyes clearly were interested in her, and as soon as I called her name he turned to see me and rushed off. She said something about him really made her feel creapy and I told her to trust that instinct and never even get started in a conversation period.

    These guys are everywhere and its up to all of us to protect our kids and loved ones, this is for real not just in the movies, accept it and deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny
    The answer is that if we have children and want to keep them that we best take care of them and protect them or they have a god chance of becoming a victim.

    I agree with the above post's, we can't leave our kids in our own yard without worrying about them. When I take my kids to the movies I don't see the movies because I'm concerned about my kids and the odd old man two rows back who is at a childrens movie by himself. Or at the mall at the play area and someone seems to be paying to much attention and doesn't have kids with him. At the park and the same car keeps driving past the childrens area.

    I recently took my niece with me to Sams Club and was one aisle away while she was playing on a computer and noticed a man approach her, he didn't notice me and I was only twelve feet away and watched while he attempted to start a coversation with her seeming to be interested in the game but his eyes clearly were interested in her, and as soon as I called her name he turned to see me and rushed off. She said something about him really made her feel creapy and I told her to trust that instinct and never even get started in a conversation period.

    These guys are everywhere and its up to all of us to protect our kids and loved ones, this is for real not just in the movies, accept it and deal with it.
    You may not know how right you are. And since, going by your hat, I assume you are a man, I am so encouraged and pleasantly surprised that you yourself are so tuned in. I've always thought it was a "girl/woman thing"... but definitely there. No one has to be psychic, or have special abilities to tune into such things. But I do believe that girls first have to mature to a certain age to pick up on subtle clues, unless the creep is very blatant.

    Kids are so innocent and trusting of adults. It is such a shame the world is the way it is, because they really SHOULD be innocent and be able to trust. They never let it cross their mind that Mr. X has a different agenda than simply paying extra attention to you to help you with your math, and etc.

    My thirteen-year-old "gets it"... and my eleven-year-old is beginning to become more aware, and less trusting, of her surroundings. My nine-year-old however, the gifted one with a genius IQ, is CLUELESS! So I have to watch, watch, watch to take up the slack. She simply doesn't go anywhere unattended. And the few times that tell tale creepy feeling has come over me, I point out the characteristics that I believe have brought out such a feeling... hoping that she will understand. I explain that the person that concerns me has not been tried and convicted of anything that I know of... but I trust my gut because it has not lied to me. My girls are aware that most child molesters get away with an average of thirty crimes before they actually get caught.

    An elderly man once did something... though I've never been able to actually discern exactly what... in a movie theater (just as you described) to my now eleven-year-old when she was eight. Either she can't remember exactly what he did, or she has blocked it out, or she knows and simply can't tell us. I was RIGHT THERE... three seats from her. Her sisters and one cousin were there. The movie was the G rated "Cats and Dogs". None of the rest of us saw a thing. But whatever she saw, affected her so profoundly that she required counseling and Paxil for a year.

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    Babcat, I'm sorry your daughter was so affected. I am very lucky as my daughter has stood up and yelled at the top of her lungs EXACTLY what a man next to her was either doing, or trying to do ( I couldn't quite figure it out, never have. I don't think she really understood it, just that he had no right to have certain parts out that shouldn't be out). And then yelled "Security! Security! Get this piece of garbage out of here!" The guy bolted out the exit near the screen, and they didn't catch him. It was terrible, I couldn't leave my kids, and I wanted to kill the guy. (Now when I tell the story I laugh hysterically, only because the sight of this 6 year old telling this piece of garbage what he really was, was priceless)

    But I digress. While I do not agree with letting children go anywhere out of sight alone, in an area where people feel safe, the mother thought she would be safe allowing her daughter to go down a couple of blocks to a friends house, and making sure she arrived. She did not think that extra little bit of what happens if she doesn't arrive. If her daughter travelled that distance before, and always called home when she arrived, the trust was there. If she was not there, and her mother looked out the door and she was not on the route to the friends house (hurt, or with a broken scooter), she would know something happened to her, because her daughter had always been responsible before. Most people aren't out here reading about all the kidnapped children.

    What I think sounds weird is that this guy just HAPPENED to find her in an abandoned wherehouse?

    Enhanced 911 sounds great! Every city should have it.
    Just the facts, Ma'am.

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