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  1. #16
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    Hey Carl...

    I don't have the software you do but I blew up the Arroyo Jane Doe photo and if you look on the left side of her chin, there looks like there is a scar there that runs from the corner of her mouth to the side of her chin. Can't tell if it's a shadow or the scar. Thanks for your help, Carl!


    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    She does look pretty close.

    In addition to the eye color, there is no mention that AGJD has an appendectomy scar though, or scars on her knee and chin.

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    April Rose Zane, 16, Missing since April 18, 1977 from Frankfort, IL


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    Here is the Doenetwork file on April's case. Note that they state she went missing in 1977 vice 1976. They do, however, state that she was 16 when she went missing so that would indicate 1976. Which year is correct? If it is 1976, Doenetwork should be asked to make a correction to their site.

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    April Rose Zane
    Missing since April 18, 1977 from Frankfort, Will County, Illinois
    Classification: Endangered Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: February 25, 1960
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"-5'6"; 115-120 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Dark auburn hair; blue-grey/green eyes. She has a long back which makes her appear tall. April has freckles on her face.
    Marks, Scars: Scar on her right hip from appendectomy; scar on her right knee; scar on her chin.
    Clothing: Last seen wearing a brown flannel jacket.
    Dentals: Available
    DNA: Available
    Fingerprints: Not Available

    Circumstances of Disappearance

    Zane was last seen in Frankfort, Illinois on April 18, 1977. (It is possible that she went missing the year prior - 1976). She was going into town to visit a friend. She never made it to the friends' house and was never heard from again.

    April had a record of running away from home, but always turned up later. She was found several times in the Chicago land area and arrested for curfew violation.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:

    Frankfort Police Department
    815-469-9435

    Agency Case Number: M08A6669

    NCIC Number: M-597208598


    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

    Source Information:
    The Doe Network
    NCMEC
    NamUs
    The Doe Network: Case File 1404DFIL

    LINK:

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/1404dfil.html

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    Bump, she would have turned 52 just over a week ago.
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  4. #19
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    I hope you find her, I really do!!!!!!!!!!
    any information about her (scars, previous injuries) that would further help us?
    any info about her personality?
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    A history of running away is patent. The scars, three of them, should be an excellent indicator but so far have drawn a blank on UIDs from surrounding states - and far more talented, committed sleuthers than me have searched. Chicago would have been her destination, but whether she got there is anybody's guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sallust View Post
    A history of running away is patent. The scars, three of them, should be an excellent indicator but so far have drawn a blank on UIDs from surrounding states - and far more talented, committed sleuthers than me have searched. Chicago would have been her destination, but whether she got there is anybody's guess.
    I know on DoeNetwork it was thought she could be Princess Doe. Not sure what became of that, I personally do not believe she is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amber1 View Post
    I know on DoeNetwork it was thought she could be Princess Doe. Not sure what became of that, I personally do not believe she is.
    Really? Would have thought that was a straightforward enough rule out given the lack of scars on Princess Doe's body and the fact that her appendix was intact.
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    What do people think of this?

    *Warning Morgue Photo at link*
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/5066

    Entered in some stats for April there and found this about halfway up the list. I didn't think it was even worth a look at first because this decedent is a very well known UID on this site. Decided to have a look anyway and they have a lot more in common than I first thought.

    The general stats (height, weight, eyes) are all good. What gave me goosebumps though is the scars.

    April Zane:
    Scar on her right hip from appendectomy
    scar on her right knee
    scar on her chin

    Jane Doe:
    Scars on left-right jaw line
    Scar on her right hip from appendectomy
    3/4" ircular scar on right knece

    The problems as far as I can see them are the fact that Jane Doe had given birth, the faces are hard to compare due to the trauma and the unlikely nature of April being away 9 years without contacting her family.

    Apologies if I've missed some glaringly obvious cause for rule-out, it's past midnight and I'm very tired, but would love to hear what you guys think about this as a possible match (albeit an admittedly unlikely one)
    Last edited by Sallust; 03-06-2012 at 08:23 PM. Reason: Forgot the chin scar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sallust View Post
    What do people think of this?

    *Warning Morgue Photo at link*
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/5066

    Entered in some stats for April there and found this about halfway up the list. I didn't think it was even worth a look at first because this decedent is a very well known UID on this site. Decided to have a look anyway and they have a lot more in common than I first thought.

    The general stats (height, weight, eyes) are all good. What gave me goosebumps though is the scars.

    April Zane:
    Scar on her right hip from appendectomy
    scar on her right knee
    scar on her chin

    Jane Doe:
    Scars on left-right jaw line
    Scar on her right hip from appendectomy
    3/4" ircular scar on right knece

    The problems as far as I can see them are the fact that Jane Doe had given birth, the faces are hard to compare due to the trauma and the unlikely nature of April being away 9 years without contacting her family.

    Apologies if I've missed some glaringly obvious cause for rule-out, it's past midnight and I'm very tired, but would love to hear what you guys think about this as a possible match (albeit an admittedly unlikely one)
    I think you did a fantastic job!
    The scars give me goosebumps too. And there are so many other similarities between the two cases... height, hair color, eye color.

    I also agree that 9 yrs is a long time for April Rose to not be in contact with her family. But what if she was abducted against her will and held for a number of years before being murdered.

    I think this is a great match!
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    I agree, this is a good match, many times composites aren't right on because of the trauma. Scars don't lie though.
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    Unhappy

    I've just sent it in to Lt. Smith of Saline County there. The worst that can happen is April gets ruled out as being this decedent.

    EDIT: Having just looked on the UIDs thread, I've found that April was THE first missing person suggested on it and from what I can gather she was submitted to Doenetwork, so in all likelihood LE is probably well aware of this potential match
    Last edited by Sallust; 03-07-2012 at 09:48 AM.
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    Awesome!
    Please let us know what becomes of this.
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    Where is Sharon Rose Sons?
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    Lt. Smith replied to me today. April was very extensively investigated as being this decedent by him 7-8 years ago but he's been hamstrung by a) the fact that very few written reports were taken at the time of her disappearnce, b) her dental records can't really be compared with the decedent's as so much work could have been done in the intevening years and c) as they have no fingerprints on file for April.

    Hence April is marked in the decedent's case file as "unable to dismiss"

    The Lt. was appreciative of the interest in the case and reiterated his desire to someday bring closure to this case. Very glad that there's an investigator like him on this case. That said I am absolutely gutted at this news as it seems as though every avenue of identification is sealed off. I will ask him what the state of play is with DNA as I believe her sister mentioned having given a sample in her first post.
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    :/ so disappointing, i wish america would see the issue of missing kids is a big deal. Kids should have an ID kit done yearly, mandatory. You think they'd do that by now.
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    Having asked about the possibility of a DNA match, Lt. Smith has informed me that there's a problem with the way the DNA was extracted from the decedent so they have to find a way to "reintroduce it". It's basically in the hands of the KBI laboratory and he's indicated that he'll be trying to follow up on it.

    I really hope the DNA is "reintroduced" (no idea what it means, despite doing a science-ish degree) and soon!
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