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    All About Chloroform#2

    The first thread has 42 pages to it. Can one of the mods please lock it?

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    Originally posted by JBean: Just to help in these situations, at the top of each thread is a functuion called search this thread. Often you can put in a key term and see what pops up within this thread only. Try doing a search on the word *level* and see if any results produce useful information to you.
    Just my helpful hint of the day

    JBean - thank you for this tip. I'm still learning my way around here

    OKAY - back to chloroform. I read in the other thread much discussion about whether or not the maggots and flys would survive under chloroform and it seems the general consenus it that they would not. BUT would they survive if they were in the plastic trash bag? It seems to me that the maggots were in the trash bag that was thrown away.

    I think this is a key issue as to when the chloroform was used.

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    I'm pretty sure it was said there were flies in the trunk, that escaped when trunk was opened at the tow lot. I did a forum search and there are many references, but I don't have a link the original statement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by treeseeker View Post
    I'm pretty sure it was said there were flies in the trunk, that escaped when trunk was opened at the tow lot. I did a forum search and there are many references, but I don't have a link the original statement.
    yes there was, including bug entemology and apparently the flies that came out at the lot when they opened the trunk and found the pizza box and the trash bag (was discared oiver the fence-later recovered by police) were sceond generation flies according to some bug research.


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    So - if bugs would not have survived the chloroform, then the chloroform was put in the car after the tow yard, right? This would lead one to believe that there was chloroform at the Anthony home and that GA &/or CA used it to try to clean the trunk stain?

    Interesting and thank you both, Friptzap and treeseeker for responding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    So - if bugs would not have survived the chloroform, then the chloroform was put in the car after the tow yard, right? This would lead one to believe that there was chloroform at the Anthony home and that GA &/or CA used it to try to clean the trunk stain?

    Interesting and thank you both, Friptzap and treeseeker for responding.

    Salem
    It was reported on another thread that Cindy asked LE if they wanted any evidence out of the car the day they reported Caylee missing. It looks as though the car was at the A's residence a couple of days before LE came out to search for evidence. It is possible they cleaned the car. My question would be, was there mention of the car odor on that first police report - the day they called to report Caylee missing. Decomp, or something similar to an over-bearing car air freshener? My understanding is that chloroform is sweet, pungent, and can be found in may air fresheners.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Friptzap View Post
    yes there was, including bug entemology and apparently the flies that came out at the lot when they opened the trunk and found the pizza box and the trash bag (was discared oiver the fence-later recovered by police) were sceond generation flies according to some bug research.
    didn't they also say there were maggots in the trunk?

    who gets maggots from old pizza? they don't like pizza.


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    I remember it being reported that Cindy asked LE if they wanted anything before she got in the car.

    I don't remember any reports about anything other than the decomp smell which was reported by Cindy, the Tow Guy and LE.

    But if maggots and flys could not live in chloroform, then when and how did it get in the car? AND who would try to clean the car with such chemicals knowing they have basically been outlawed to the general public. AND when did Casey do the searches on her computer. Really skews the timeline.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    I remember it being reported that Cindy asked LE if they wanted anything before she got in the car.

    I don't remember any reports about anything other than the decomp smell which was reported by Cindy, the Tow Guy and LE.

    But if maggots and flys could not live in chloroform, then when and how did it get in the car? AND who would try to clean the car with such chemicals knowing they have basically been outlawed to the general public. AND when did Casey do the searches on her computer. Really skews the timeline.....

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    Well, the chloroform is colorless and odorless so maybe they didn't think the police would even find out? It is pretty obvious the car was clean and shiny. It would've never have been that shiny after sitting at a tow yard without being cleaned. The dead body smell was never mentioned in the LE interviews released in the 400 page documents. I wonder if they are keeping that underwraps for now?


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    I have a question about this chloroform.....As I have heard, it is a solvent, also an agent formally used to anesthetize (sp?) patients AND as a way to separate DNA in a lab setting. I'm wondering if someone that knew this used this, in the hopes of damaging any DNA that was left behind??
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacnotcam View Post
    I have a question about this chloroform.....As I have heard, it is a solvent, also an agent formally used to anesthetize (sp?) patients AND as a way to separate DNA in a lab setting. I'm wondering if someone that knew this used this, in the hopes of damaging any DNA that was left behind??

    It is hard not to wonder if dads law enforcement background doesnt play a significant role in the complexities of this case. Either she had help or she was more observant than anyone could have guessed. I would imagine that the placement of Caylees body and the difficulty people are having finding her also stems from a knowledge of organized crime. I mean seriously wouldnt the best place to bury a body be in a cemetary, ironically its probably the last place anyone would look.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RasGirl26 View Post
    It is hard not to wonder if dads law enforcement background doesnt play a significant role in the complexities of this case. Either she had help or she was more observant than anyone could have guessed. I would imagine that the placement of Caylees body and the difficulty people are having finding her also stems from a knowledge of organized crime. I mean seriously wouldnt the best place to bury a body be in a cemetary, ironically its probably the last place anyone would look.
    I agree on the crime/knowledge background.....Not saying that KC got direction/help from GA BUT It kind of comes with the territory. My dad was a car guy. Just from growing up around him and cars, I can pretty much identify any make/model just because I grew up around it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RasGirl26 View Post
    It is hard not to wonder if dads law enforcement background doesnt play a significant role in the complexities of this case. Either she had help or she was more observant than anyone could have guessed. I would imagine that the placement of Caylees body and the difficulty people are having finding her also stems from a knowledge of organized crime. I mean seriously wouldnt the best place to bury a body be in a cemetary, ironically its probably the last place anyone would look.
    It would only be suspicious if the family of loved one noticed the dirt had been previously disturbed. Let's face it, some graves never get any visits so it might never even be noticed. But would she really dig that much? And somebody could possibly catch her in the act in a private place......I don't know


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    Chloroform has a sweet smell--so it's not odorless
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    Quote Originally Posted by monoxide View Post
    It would only be suspicious if the family of loved one noticed the dirt had been previously disturbed. Let's face it, some graves never get any visits so it might never even be noticed. But would she really dig that much? And somebody could possibly catch her in the act in a private place......I don't know
    I dont really think she dug much if at all, but the point I was making was that she might have a better idea of what would fly and what wouldnt. I would imagine GA discussed cases at home about missing people or finding dead bodies etc. She had an inside perspective most of us wouldnt have. I find myself still not believing that GA or CA had anything to do with it. They soooooo loved Caylee. You can see the anguish when someone even mentions the possibility of her being deceased. so sad!


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