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    Quote Originally Posted by Salome View Post
    I agree! Protesting is usually about raising the awareness of those in the public who don't know the issue or problem at hand or for addressing a place of power as a group and speaking together (i.e., outside the White House or the IHOP or on a busy intersection, whatever ... not that IHOP has been protested that I know of, just an example).

    These protestors are NOT raising awareness about Caylee -- the media and the internet community are doing that. People wouldn't know these protestors even were there if it weren't for the media and the internet. All they are doing is expressing their opinion to the A's - and, once they've done that, haven't they made their point? What good does it serve to return day after day? Sure, they have the RIGHT to do so, but what GOOD does it serve? They are not part of the judicial process, so it's not serving justice. They are not up at the courthouse or the statehouse protesting and delivering petitions; they are not writing well-researched letters to their representatives or to their local newspapers--all of these would be much more fruitful, IMHO, without disrupting the neighborhood and focusing on the spectacle.

    Instead, they are basically just expressing their frustration and anger and directing it at the family, and making others (neighbors) suffer while doing so. I really do believe that some of the protestors--and some of the people watching the webcam--are actually hoping for more physical confrontations. That is SICK! Just b/c someone screaming in GA's face can make him lash out doesn't mean he was involved in a cover-up or that knowledge a/b Caylee's whereabouts will be revealed more quickly, or that Casey will be prosecuted sooner or anything at all for the good of Caylee. But you can bet it'll be on the news and all the shows and everyone can click their tongues and say "I knew it! I knew he was a violent/angry/etc man!". So what? This should be about finding Caylee and then prosecuting her murderer.

    Sure, if the law allows it, they have the right. The legality of what they're doing is not my point. I don't think it has any point that convinces me it's a worthwhile thing to do.
    I agree, people watch the webcam like they watch a car race, hoping for a wreck to happen. The protests aren't about Caylee, they aren't about changing the law that allows a mother to bond out of jail without telling where her missing child is, the protests are about hate. Not everything that's legal is right. I'm sure the neighbors who can't go out of their house during the day and can't sleep at night don't see anything right about the protesters shouting out obscenities at the tops of the lungs or leaving their fast food wrappers and cigarette butts littering the streets.

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    From a psychological standpoint, this argument makes sense. I think that they way some of the protesters are acting, (screaming insults and coming right up to the edge of the driveway), puts the Anthonys in a position of "us against them", which takes the focus off of the fact that Casey knows what happened to Caylee and isn't talking.

    People who have no consideration for the rest of the neighborhood are just plain rude and obnoxious. No one looks intelligent when waving a half-smoked ciggerette in someone's face and having a conniption fit.

    Quite frankly, the Anthonys have shown much better restraint than I would if someone were loitering on my street, acting like fools. Maybe the neighbors should all tune their stereos to the local Christian or classical station and turn up the volume. That would get rid of those street-trollers pretty quick.

    The Anthonys are wrong for allowing Casey to enjoy the comforts of home while not cooperating with police. If she were my daughter, she would not be allowed home until she told all she knows. The protesters are doing nothing but creating a public disturbance, and that's wrong too!

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    I also agree that it puts the A's on the defensive. I believe some of the protesters have their hearts in the right place and feel they HAVE to do something. I realize some of them are probably able to search but maybe some aren't in good enough physical shape?

    At first I thought they were trying to SHAME them into doing something consructive towards finding Caylee. Such as maybe beating it out of KC, which is likely what I would do.

    SOMEONE should stand up for that innocent baby, it's too late for them to finish raising KC, Caylee deserves at lease some loyalty from someone other than complete strangers.

    I used to believe they were in denial...but they are slowly proving they just don't care.

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    Local6 reporting that a lawsuit was just filed by the HOA against "John and Jane Doe"--the protesters, that would limit them to protesting in a vacant lot about 1 block away.

    http://www.local6.com (not sure the link is up yet--the reported just now stated this)

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    Quote Originally Posted by What'sThatClue View Post
    Local6 reporting that a lawsuit was just filed by the HOA against "John and Jane Doe"--the protesters, that would limit them to protesting in a vacant lot about 1 block away.

    http://www.local6.com (not sure the link is up yet--the reported just now stated this)
    That seems like a fair and safe compromise.

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    Not to me. The reason to protest, would be to make the Anthony's see it, not a block away where they cannot see it.

    But, I am happy for those who think this is a good thing, and pray the judge has an ounce of common sense.

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    I think the protesters are well intentioned. They think they can pressure Casey into telling the truth. If she were a normal person, she would eventually crack under the pressure. But the problem is that Casey is NOT normal. People like Casey enjoy having power over other people. Casey has ALL the power in this situation because she has the information that EVERYONE else wants. She is enjoying this power immensely. She also has complete power over her family. She is in that house with them and they CAN'T ASK her ANY questions about what happened to Caylee. She is making her paretns suffer for perceived slights and injuries she believes that she suffered at their hands. The more protesters, TV cameras and attention, the better, as far as Casey is concerned. She actually believes that she is a celebrity.

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    I understand why they want to do it. But I'm against anything that limits, or puts a condition on, 1st Amendment rights.

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    I think some of the protesters may be well intentioned, but the majority of them are there simply to see if they can get their faces on camera and, if they're really lucky, even score an interview. The luckiest of all are the ones who can goad an Anthony family member into a confrontation.

    Just watch, if the protesters are moved to the vacant lot and the cameras don't follow, that will be an end to the protests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Rose View Post
    I think the protesters are well intentioned. They think they can pressure Casey into telling the truth. If she were a normal person, she would eventually crack under the pressure. But the problem is that Casey is NOT normal. People like Casey enjoy having power over other people. Casey has ALL the power in this situation because she has the information that EVERYONE else wants. She is enjoying this power immensely. She also has complete power over her family. She is in that house with them and they CAN'T ASK her ANY questions about what happened to Caylee. She is making her paretns suffer for perceived slights and injuries she believes that she suffered at their hands. The more protesters, TV cameras and attention, the better, as far as Casey is concerned. She actually believes that she is a celebrity.
    Protestors=Casey's puppets.

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    I agree, the protesters are working for, rather than against, Casey. They've taken the family's focus off of Casey's lies and misdeeds and become a common enemy, strengthening the family ties. So long as the Anthony's are under attack, they can't even think about the truth of what happened to little Caylee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilly Willy View Post
    I agree, the protesters are working for, rather than against, Casey. They've taken the family's focus off of Casey's lies and misdeeds and become a common enemy, strengthening the family ties. So long as the Anthony's are under attack, they can't even think about the truth of what happened to little Caylee.
    They'll use any distraction available to take their minds off what Casey did to Caylee - online video games, shopping on eBay, hammering signs into the lawn, driving around with a billboard caboose, you name it.

    I think calling the people who show up at the house 'protestors' is misleading. They're picketers, and their cause is justice for Caylee Anthony (something else the family wants to distance themselves from at all costs, apparently).

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    Our opinions don't matter when it comes to protesting. It is within our 1st Amendment right to do so. Is Free speech really free? Or is it only free until it infringes with our own personal beliefs?

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    To me, the protesters aren't much different than Greta or Nancy interviewing the family or all us posters on various blogs and crime forums. If people lose their rights to protest then how long will it be til we can't post opinions on forums and the news is squelched. Most of the protesters have probably gotten more riled up by being online and chatting about the situation to begin with. As far as their looks, most of them look like middle aged or older women who are sort of wilted by standing out in the heat and humidity of Florida. The only ones I thought looked bad were the shirtless guys, but one of them was given an unsucessful martial arts chop to the side of the neck by a neighbor. This type of hit on the neck could kill a person. If the shirtless young man was a protester (and I don't have them mixed up), he was actually risking his safety to go out and be attacked from behind for expressing his beliefs. The older women are putting themselves at some risk since they don't know what's really going on with this family. That's not something I'm sure I'd be brave enough to do. I don't think it's just to get an interview or their names in the news either. The feel connected to each other and to the case because of the internet and media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastSideOfSaddness View Post
    Our opinions don't matter when it comes to protesting. It is within our 1st Amendment right to do so. Is Free speech really free? Or is it only free until it infringes with our own personal beliefs?
    Actually what many people on this site don't seem to realize is that the right of free speech does have limitations. That's why we can't scream out FIRE in a crowded theater. It's why there are laws against slander or libel. No one is trying to stop the protesters from giving their legally protected opinion. Freedom of Assembly, not Freedom of Speech, is the real issue here.

    Freedom of Assembly:

    Freedom of assembly, sometimes used interchangeably with the freedom of association, is the individual right to come together with other individuals and collectively express, promote, pursue and defend common interests.[1] The right to freedom of association is recognised as human right, political freedom and a civil liberty.
    Freedom of assembly and freedom of association may be used to distinguish between the freedom to assemble in public places and the freedom of joining an association. Freedom of assembly is often used in the context of the right to protest, while freedom of association is used in the context of labour rights and the right to collective bargaining, for example by joining a trade union. Freedom of assembly as guaranteed in the Canadian Constitution and the Constitution of the United States are interpreted to mean both the freedom to assemble and the freedom to join an association.[2]

    Freedom of assembly is closely linked to the right to freedom of speech. Like freedom of speech, freedom of assembly is subject to limitations, for example the American Convention on Human Rights recognises the "The right of peaceful assembly, without arms" (Article 15) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights states that "No restrictions may be placed on the exercise of this right other than those imposed in conformity with the law and which are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, public order, the protection of public health or morals or the protection of the rights and freedoms of others." (Article 21)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly

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    The protesters, in exercising their right to freedom of assembly, are trampling all over the rights and freedoms of others. They are a threat to public safety and order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastSideOfSaddness View Post
    Our opinions don't matter when it comes to protesting. It is within our 1st Amendment right to do so. Is Free speech really free? Or is it only free until it infringes with our own personal beliefs?
    I feel similarly to casey being out on bail. Our opinions really don't matter, it's her right and we should respect it;because it may come in handy for any one of us. You never know.

    If she breaks the rules, the freedom should be taken. If protestors break the rules, their freedom should be taken.
    I just think these protestors are going to end up being a help to the defense one day. I think they are acting foolishly, but like we agree, our opinions don't matter. I would just never choose to do what they are doing.

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    Thumbs down HOA File Lawsuit today

    The HOA have filed a Lawsuit today against the Protesters .. They want them to use a vacant area a block away so that the neighbors aren't disturbed !!!

    On Local 6 news under the Monster Protesters ..

    http://www.local6.com/news/17461673/detail.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by silvercoins View Post
    The HOA have filed a Lawsuit today against the Protesters .. They want them to use a vacant area a block away so that the neighbors aren't disturbed !!!

    On Local 6 news under the Monster Protesters ..

    http://www.local6.com/news/17461673/detail.html

    Well, good. It's not like they are petitioning the gov't for redress of grievances, they are making monumental a**es of themselves disturbing the peace of private citizens and harassing and bullying the Anthony's.

    If they want so badly for Casey to be arrested, let them go down to the Sherrif's office and scream and holler and make demands.

    Even the pres gets to have 'protest zones'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean View Post
    I feel similarly to casey being out on bail. Our opinions really don't matter, it's her right and we should respect it;because it may come in handy for any one of us. You never know.

    If she breaks the rules, the freedom should be taken. If protestors break the rules, their freedom should be taken.
    I just think these protestors are going to end up being a help to the defense one day. I think they are acting foolishly, but like we agree, our opinions don't matter. I would just never choose to do what they are doing.

    Nicely said! Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by silvercoins View Post
    The HOA have filed a Lawsuit today against the Protesters .. They want them to use a vacant area a block away so that the neighbors aren't disturbed !!!
    You know, I've heard it said that we live in such a litigious society that it's gotten to the point that anyone can sue anyone over anything, and that they do. I cannot believe this HOA thinks they're so collectively above the law that they can stop people from accessing public rights-of-way.

    Oh, I guess I commend them for offering vacant land where people can congregate. That's a nice gesture. But in my opinion they cannot selectively choose all of a sudden what is public to whom. Even the police have told protestors that, as long as they are on the sidewalk, that they do not have to leave. How complicated will it become if the HOA prevails in this suit, and suddenly LE has to check with the court to see if all public areas or, in fact, public.

    If they were in a gated community, I can see the HOA having control over the sidewalks, etc. To my knowledge, it's not gated. I'll have to research that. I hope there's no way in he!! that the court will rule in the HOA's favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezryder9 View Post
    You know, I've heard it said that we live in such a litigious society that it's gotten to the point that anyone can sue anyone over anything, and that they do. I cannot believe this HOA thinks they're so collectively above the law that they can stop people from accessing public rights-of-way.

    Oh, I guess I commend them for offering vacant land where people can congregate. That's a nice gesture. But in my opinion they cannot selectively choose all of a sudden what is public to whom. Even the police have told protestors that, as long as they are on the sidewalk, that they do not have to leave. How complicated will it become if the HOA prevails in this suit, and suddenly LE has to check with the court to see if all public areas or, in fact, public.

    If they were in a gated community, I can see the HOA having control over the sidewalks, etc. To my knowledge, it's not gated. I'll have to research that. I hope there's no way in he!! that the court will rule in the HOA's favor.
    Let's hope the ACLU steps in and files suit against the HOA! Maybe it's about time for me to renew my membership. I used to be a card-carrying member!
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    Ok, up front, this may not be the best place to post this but honestly, I don't know where else it should go.

    In following up on my earlier post to research the subdivision where the A's live, my google search netted me this:

    http://homeownershipissexy.blogspot....y-grew-up.html

    It seems the publicity is now a marketing tool for area realtors!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezryder9 View Post
    Ok, up front, this may not be the best place to post this but honestly, I don't know where else it should go.

    In following up on my earlier post to research the subdivision where the A's live, my google search netted me this:

    http://homeownershipissexy.blogspot....y-grew-up.html

    It seems the publicity is now a marketing tool for area realtors!
    Talk about capitalizing on this crime! Can't they even wait until she is convicted, so it can be on the murderer's tour?????
    Please help locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff and bring them home.



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    Quote Originally Posted by LinasK View Post
    Talk about capitalizing on this crime! Can't they even wait until she is convicted, so it can be on the murderer's tour?????
    LOL. I flat don't know. I had to look at the info on the site a couple of times before I even clicked on it, then was kinda, well, appalled! So I guess things are split over there: good marketing tool/nuisance; good marketing tool/nuisance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LinasK View Post
    Let's hope the ACLU steps in and files suit against the HOA! Maybe it's about time for me to renew my membership. I used to be a card-carrying member!

    ACLU will also tell you NOT to talk to the police to protect your right to remain silent. The 5th amendment. ACLU will protect the right to free speech and to protest. The 1st ammendment. Which right trumps the other?

    The protesters are mad because Casey won't talk to the police especially since the lawyer stepped in.

    ACLU's on the 5th amendment
    Please read..... scroll half-way down.

    http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14528res20040730.html

    Also listen to this.....
    A lawyer and cop tell you why you should not talk to the police.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...02514885833865

    Now this is the link to Free Speech at the ACLU website. http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/index.html

    At what point does "FREE SPEECH" becomes harrassment? Can I really go to my neighbor's house down the street and yell at her about her young 13 year old daughter and her behavior? Can I stand outside on the street and get all my neighbors to join in and tell her to do a better job as a parent? Cause if I can, and I am naive enough to think it might actually change her parenting style and child's behavior it sure would make my life and all my neighbor's lives better.

    We as American's should do all we can to preserve both of these rights. We should not ever allow them to be misused.

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    This is why protestors should leave their kids home!

    In my opinion, this woman should be brought up on charges for putting her young son in danger and then ignoring him after she slammed his arm in the door. This woman is no better than Casey.

    http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2...h%20Protesters

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