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09-07-2008, 07:06 PM #1
Zani Timeline- Other ZannyThoughts- Zanny Searches on Caseys computer
OK, I keep hearing people refer to this nanny as a known person and some are now believing this was a known name for years and in my honest opinion are confusing facts even more. The title nanny was used often in the past but NOT Zani or any likeness and here are the following transcripts which I just spent several hours skewering over from released document number 2. I will add docs one and 3 another evening. The following show the people interviewed by the police and their relationship to Casey, length of time known etc and their recollections of nanny versus zani!!!! Even Lee according to Amy never heard this name before this incident, when I get to his comments perhaps he has said more I do not recall from reading them originally.
Taped transcript from package two July 30, 2008 document page number 156-157
RP: And then I spoke to her at ten oíclock in the morning, uhm, and thatís when I got the, you know Zenaida Hernandez-Hernandez crap and then uhm, uh, you know John ****** and all that uh, which again I was telling you yesterday that doesnít seem right to me.
YM: Yeah, Jeff (corrects name here). Well letísÖ
YM: Ö letís talk about this Zenaida. You said Zenaida and crap. That kind of, obviously that peaks my interest.
RP: Yeah, and she was just uh, itís, Iíve never heard the name and it doesnít, uh, (sighs), to me it doesnít even sound like a real name. But I have never heard the name in my life suddenly case has known her for four years she said. I, because I asked her specifically. Because I was trying to get people up hereÖ
Then he goes on to say some stuff about tracking her down and then says:
RP: ÖBut I, I, I found it really odd that, that Iíve never heard the name of the nanny. In fact, I, Iíve heard of another name. I canít think of it right now, but it was you know a, definitely a Caucasian womanís name, uhm, was babysitting the child.
YM: When was the first time that you, that she ever mentioned Zenaida or Zani to you? Was it on the 15th, or was it before that?
RP: It, it would, it, itís been, it was the morning that uh, she was getting arrested.
YM: So, prior to that, ever since I guess the age of five, sheís never mentioned the name Zenaida?
RP: Never, ever, ever.
Speaks for itself, no Zany never ever.
Taped transcript from package two July 16, 2008 document page number 184-185
LE: Okay, so you met her at ah, at a party. And um, how do you guys hit it off? Um, you see her she likes you, sparks fly?
RM: Oh no as far as this like dating it wasnítÖ we.. I had just met her that night. So no nothing happened from there. Um, I startedÖ I moved up to Orlando in August.
RM: and we just hung out from there. Thatís when I really actually got to know her. And then we started dating in the beginning of February.
LE: Alright so you, you met her would you say ah June, July, of í07?
RM: Early June.
LE: You move to Orlando in August í07. Um, you see each other?
LE: Hang out a little bit.
RM: We have mutual friends and stuff. Thatís how we got to know each other.
LE: Okay, so February comes and you guys make the leap of faith. You guys started kicking it.
RM: After my birthday on the 23rd or whatever we had a party here and thatís where things got serious I guess and thatís where we took it from there and actually started dating.
More general stuff and info on Caylee would sleep in bed with them ďhappy coupleĒ etc.
Relationship ends mid April saw her up until the end of May. Saw her and Caylee on June 9th and 10th Both slept over. Saw Casey 3 weeks later while she was visiting Amy but no Caylee. Then saw Casey again on July 2nd. (pg 189-190)
LE: Okay. On July 2nd um, where wasÖ where do you think Caylee was?
RM: She would tell us sheís either with the nanny or their mom. And being that I hadnít seem her in like three weeks every since I saw Caylee. I didnít see her enough to think anything about it. Like I didnít see her consistently without Caylee I saw her like two times after that and and she didnít have Caylee and I didnít really think much of it because well one of the times I was just going to work and she was here talking to Amy. And the other time she just didnít have Caylee and I didnít.. I donít know I just didnít think anything of it.
LE: Have you ever seen the nanny?
RM: No. Never seen her, never talked to her.
More date talkÖ..
LE: Did you ever go out on a date without Caylee?
LE: Where was Caylee at if you guys went on a date?
RM: I donít know specifics, I, I would assume was with the mother or with Zani, who is the nanny of Caylee. Which is what Casey had told me the whole time I knew her. If sheís not here sheís with one of those two so.
Known 9 months dated 6 claims to have heard the nannyís name but never saw Casey consistently without Caylee except for two times? And FOOD was pretty much the only date they went on (pg 192). He has been to the parents home, when they were not there, Caylee had her own room (pg 193). He goes into more background before and after then:
When asked what would he do/think if he were in the cops shoes:
RM: So, I feel like the person weíre talking about now and the person I knew before are two different people. I donít really feel like I know her. Apparently where she worked wasnít true. Her nanny no one ever knew her. I really donít know what to think.
Personally I feel he is confused by the new nanny name rhyme. Plus to boot he hardly EVER saw Casey without Caylee and only really dated since Feb.
Taped transcript from package two August 12, 2008 document page numbers 200-225
Kiomarie friend of Casey since 6th grade. Her inistals btw are KC
When asked if she new the baby sitter (Pg 220) ďÖThis Zenaida person do you know a Zenaida?Ē she responds she heard the name in the news but the only Gonzales lady she knows ďlives right down the street from us and she doesnít baby sit children."
She also go on to mention how Caseyís mother does not like Hispanic people says ď Yeah in spite of her mother because her mother she wonít admit it but my mother will tell you this. Most of the people that live there. Will tell you this. Her mother does not like Hispanic people. And most of the guys she was with were either Hispanic or a different race.Ē (pg 223)
Taped transcript from package two July 21, 2008 document page number 226-263
Apparently met Casey at the same party RM met her in July 2007 but does not recall. She was on a ship after that for 6 months came back and she was dating RM and she saw her every couple of weeks but since Feb they text messaged several times at least daily but when she started dating her new boyfriend ďshe dropped off the face of the planet for a few weeksĒ
LE: Okay. Okay, so from there um February and would you say May or would you say June?
AH: I would say early June.
LE: Okay so early June she gets a new boyfriend?
LE: Alright and then you stop hearing from her?
AH: I only hear from her pretty much when Iím calling her about our housing situation.
AH: Um, she spins tales, which I didnít know at the time. Or tale but all these crazy stories about all this stuff. She also made up a story about her parents, her dad cheating on her mom.
AH: And this huge thing which isnít true at all Ďcause I asked her mom. Um, but made up this huge story and all this happening within the time frame of when Cayleeís been gone.
(This is the story about Casey and Amy getting her Mom and Dadís house and how its because the dad is cheating and they are divorcing etc Ė part of this appears based in some kind of truth though from other court documents of the dad filing for divorce)
She gives her timeline of where Casey was after the 16th of June and reasoning why she was gone for a month was the ďdivorceĒ issue from the implications it sounds like Casey was giving Amy
AH: Um, and so sheísÖ this is the whole tale and this is why she hasnít been at home for a month. Um, she.. the three weeks where she disappeared she was at the boyfriendís. Um, and then the week of the 4th of July I think from that Tuesday to that Saturday she was actually was with me almost the whole time. Um, she slept at the place that Iím sleeping at every night in that period Ďcause her boyfriend was in New York for the Full Sail Break.
More talk about her and job etc then (page 232) referencing when she was staying with Amy:
LE: Was um, Caylee with her?
AH: Iíve not seen Caylee in a month at least. Um, she said that there was a part of the time when they were supposedly at the beach with the nanny and her mom, which isnít true. ĎCause her mom hasnít seen her in a month either. Um, and then I guess she said that they were going to Sea World on the 4th of July Ďcause she came to the 4th of July party that I was hosting with a friend at a different place.
More discussions on the timeline in between then (page 233):
AH: Um, but Iíve.. I always hear about Caylee. Like she talks about her a lot. I hear this is what sheís doing at the nannyís. Sheís with my mom, my momís doing this. Like her mom, in this world that she makes up, weíre having lots of issues and whatnot. I donít have any idea whatís true and whatís not.
AH: Um, but there were times that she was with her mom, but mostly with the nanny honestly for the past month is what I was hearing.
LE: Have you ever met this nanny?
AH: No one has. I.. to my knowledge everyone Iíve talked to, no one has ever met her or spoke to her. Her mom hasnít met her, her brother hasnít met her, no oneís met this nanny.
More talk about other things, Caylee, the mom, drinking then Amy brings Cindy to Casey (page 244):
LE: What does Casey say to the mom?
AH: She was like, what are you doing here?
AH: And she was like, youíre taking me to see Caylee. And Casey was like, sheís fine sheís with the nanny, sheís fine. Pretty much with that inflection. Actually a little angrier but I canít do it as well. Um, and thatís pretty much the extent of what she kept saying.
AH: Sheís like.. pretty much kept being like, you donít need to see her, we need our space, blah.. blah.. blah. Even though sheís been apparently with the nanny for the past month.
AH: Um, and just pretty.. she honestly I imagined myself at 16 getting caught doing something bad. Thatís the way she was acting.
Then there are discussions of concern for Caylee from Cindy and how she was telling Casey she was going to take her to see Caylee etc. And they dropped Amy off back at her residence.
Then there was more talk about different things including the money Casey apparently stole from Amy. She also discusses how she feels something accidentally happened to Caylee and Casey freaked out about it and created this whole story in her head. About how she likest o push buttons and can talk until there is no end in sight. Then (page 256) LE asks about the Caylee liking to go to parks etc:
LE: Have you ever heard that Caylee likes to go to the park or the pool or have you ever heard what.. you know has she ever talked about..
AH: Yeah I meanÖ
AH: Ö I know, I know she... they have a little pool at their house. And I know she likes going in. Um, I donít.. I canít recall her ever talking about parks. It makes sense that she would like parks Ďcause kids like parks. I know she talked about the fake, realÖ I donít know nanny um, name Zani. Uím that she.. they had been going to a lot of theme parks in the past like two, three weeks.
AH: But then again thatís completely bogus ĎcauseÖ
LE: Well, since you knew her have you ever known her to work, Casey?
AH: She.. I.. Up until today really I thought she worked at Universal. I mean except for the past maybe the past three or four weeks. It hasnít been seeming like she was working. Maybe the past two weeks hasnít been like she was working at all. But she sais she had all this vacation time taken.. that she had to use it before she lost it.
Then there is more talk of various thing including that how Casey mentioned going to where Cayleeís father was killed in his car accident and how she and her friend who were discussing this were considering that if Casey was going to stash something it might be there.
Then (page 260-261) LE asks:
LE: Can you think of any other information that you think we need to know?
AH: Iíve honestly been racking my brain and the only thing that Iíve even come up with and um, Lee actually agreed that he donít.. I donít remember ever hearing the name Zani come up. I remember her talking about a nanny, but I donít remember the nam Zani coming up until about a month ago.
AH: And lee said he was pretty sure that he didnít actually remember that name. And I was like thereís no way youíre gonna forget Zani the nanny? And Iím pretty sure it was about three or four weeks ago that I, I heard her say Zani a few times. And I was just thinking she was saying nanny, but it was like it really sounds like sheís saying Zani. (talking low) But I guess sheís saying nanny. And I finally asked and she was like, no thatís the nannyís name. And I was like thatís funny. I think I would giggle every time I said it.
LE: Uh-huh. I want to see Zani the nanny.
AH: Exactly. And I would just have to say Zani the nanny.
LE: Sounds like something from the Muppets or something.
AH: Exactly O couldnít just call her Zani Iíd have to call her Zani the nanny. But regardless like I donít remember ever hearing that name come up until about a month ago.
AH: I know she talked about a nanny um, that she went to sometimes when her mom was at work and she had to work. Um, but I donít remember ever hearing the name until about a month ago.
And LE brings up that parents and nanny again and she said from what she understands Caylee is mostly with the grandparent and how ďÖ from what I heard the nanny at that point in life, that nanny wasnít used often.Ē
Transcripts are separated by blue, the brown items are parts I put into my own words and or my own comments about an issue.
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09-08-2008, 09:23 PM #2Registered User
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Many Zenaida Gonzales
I checked Net Detective. It lists 2 in Florida. 21 in Texas. 1 in Arizona. 1 in New Mexico. Those are the only states I checked. I have wondered if LE has checked every Zenaida Gonzales in the country. It would also be interesting to check out Puerto Rico since that comes up so often. This isn't even comprehensive. There may be many more out there. Do I believe Casey's story? Not necessarily, but I am curious if they have all been checked out. It would make sense that IF this mysterious person took Caylee she wouldn't be sticking around Orlando.
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IMO...There is a Zenaida involved...but, her last name is not Gonzales.
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Don't you think that if there really were a Zenaida Fernandes Gonzales with a sister named Sam that was 1/2 african american and 1/2 p.r. that someone in the state of Florida would have run across them? With all the publicity this case has generated someone would have come forward with the information. Especially with the $225,000.00 being offered.
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01-18-2009, 09:13 PM #8
This ZFG must also be in the right age bracket and therein lies the problem. Also, must fit KC's details of same. Since LE couldn't find but one in Orlando (and why would KC who lived and worked in Orlando have a nanny who lived elsewhere?). The descriptions of KC's ZFG also do not make much sense to me. A single woman in her early 20's who BABYSITS for a living, yet has plenty of money, and a full wardrobe, toys, diapers, etc. for a child that is not hers. Well, it just makes no sense at all. My sitter was not that young, was married with children of her own and I still had to provide clothes ande diapers for my child.I have a constitutional right to my opinion and I am stating it!!!!!
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There is one Zenaida in 2004 and it is NOT THE ZENAIDA. There were no other Zenaidas in the 2000s.
http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/ > alumni > alumni home > 2000s
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ZG was a figment of her imagination mixed with the real one. The story and the nanny were proven to be entirely made up."WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"
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and rescue workers, Team 5, at the OKC Bombing site 4-19-1995.
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01-21-2009, 01:26 PM #14Former Member
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The fake ZG ID????
Lee Anthony: So as the officer comes back inside the house when my mother has the wallet open and is continuing to go through the wallet that’s when my mother is showing the officer, “look, this is my J.C.Penny card that she took from me. Look, this is another card that she took from me.” But as my uhm, mother went to take our my sister’s identification from that little sleeve, you know that clear sleeve that you can see through, uhm, immediately the officer’s hand went in there and grabbed something that was behind that i.d. It looked to me like the old style driver’s license, or learner’s permit or something like that. That’s what I assumed. But it struck me and I noticed it because of how quickly the officer went in and grabbed that. Uhm, I couldn’t tell you for sure what that was, but.... <snip>
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Are you sure about this? I am pretty sure KC says clearly in her interview with the dectives at Universal that Zani did not have any children of her own. Remember the police then asked her if Zani was able to have children of her own and she replied she thought so.
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05-05-2009, 02:25 PM #18
No, LE didn't check every Zenaida Gonzales in the country. Their job is to go where the evidence leads. The evidence leads straight to KC's trunk. To check out every Zanny in the country would b a waste of LE resources, without some evidence that an actual Zanny was ever involved with KC and Caylee.
They did look at the three local Zenaidas, briefly. Two are too old, and the other one is the one suing KC. I don't know whether they looked up the Zenaidas in Hialia.
There is no evidence implicating anyone but KC. And, there is no record of any telephone call, text, or email to/from Zenaida. Also no friend or family member ever met any Zenaida. There is no photo of Zenaida, and KC hasn't even come up with a consistent description of Zenaida.
If Zenaida was real, KC could at LEAST produce one message, one old phone number or legitimate addy. She can't. Year of alleges freindship, two years of minding Caylee, and not one single phone number? Or. address?Age. Fac ut gaudeam
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On a whim, I just checked ZG on Veromi and there are over 100 listed.
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people, there is no zanny the nanny!
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