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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudolf View Post
    In terms of Casey Anthony's personal pronoun "I"...she makes a stick figure "I" that is just a simple slash. Without consulting a book, I think I've read it means she is "independent". I believe this "I" is, or can be also interpreted as a sign that she received little nurturing from her parents and has decided to go it alone emotionally. I have also heard an interpretation that because this "I" is without a "base" to sit on the person making this mark is also without an emotional base, i.e. is somewhat unsteady. She would have some trouble letting love into her life.
    When you look at the over all pattern of writing what strikes me is that she uses "I" very frequently in her statement. However, notice the spacing around that "I". It has a wide spacing before it and after it, quite unlike many of the other words. I am not sure right now what interpretation to give to that. I am leaning towards emotional isolation, however, I think I will research it a little more. Perhaps it means she could crowd others but wanted space for herself, which is different than emotional isolation.
    Anybody have any thoughts?
    Sorry to be a pain, but could someone direct me to where I can see Casey's handwriting? I missed the link somewhere along the way. TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelieanne View Post
    Sorry to be a pain, but could someone direct me to where I can see Casey's handwriting? I missed the link somewhere along the way. TIA

    Annie
    See:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...&postcount=143

    It's in Part 1.

    Thanks,
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    I've just skimmed through this thread looking to see if you found an unlined sample of Casey's handwriting? If you don't have one, I do. I'll can upload it if you still need it.
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    We never got Cindy's completed huh?


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    Casey's Letter to Sheriff Berry

    If I did this correctly, you should be able to follow this link to Casey's unlined handwritten note to Sheriff Berry and be able to download it to your computer.

    http://www.4shared.com/file/73759360...ified=5b0b2b65


    Link to the family's handwritten documents. Click on download and it'll begin the process in about 30 seconds (be patient).

    http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3229080878.html

    Once it's downloaded to your computer, you'll be able to skim down a few pages until you see the handwritten statements.


    About this cursive thing, graphologists may have to rethink their analysis of handwriting that doesn't contain cursive/script for the up-and-coming generations. It's becoming a thing of the past because schools are concentrating their efforts on computer science. Do a Google search for "cursive in schools" or anything like that and you'll find lots of discussions regarding the lack of teaching cursive.

    Like others, I was also struck by Casey's lack of mature handwriting. Her lower case d and b are especially ill-proportioned with large lower portions and extremely short sticks.

    Cindy's handwriting isn't much like Casey's that I can tell. Cindy uses mostly cursive and has scribbles at times.

    Interesting how Cindy states she hasn't seen Caylee since June 8th, both Casey and George claim they last saw her June 9th. I know they claim there was a mix up with the dates and later found out it was June 15 & 16th, but why would all three have given those erroneous dates? Collaboration, perhaps?

    George prints all his statement, too, but that could stem from years as a policeman where he had to print everything so "everyone could read it". Interesting how he calls Cindy "my spouse". Also years of LE conditioning, maybe? Lee Anthony is also a "printer". hmmmm
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    Insight into Casey's handwriting

    Hello to everyone, I am new to Webslueths,
    A handwriting analysis cannot be done quickly. First is to
    look at the page, as if it were a picture. Then follow a
    system to collect information. Here are some of the
    things one must examine: The size, zone proportions,
    rhythm, pressure, spacing within and between words, spacing between lines, margins all four, the use of capitals,
    T-bars ( how tall/short) T-bar cross position and length and pressure, punctuation, direction or lean of the writing,
    direction of horzonal movement, Ovals( open, closed,
    loops or stabs), Capital ( I ) as it relates to rest of the writing, legibility, strokes ( clear, retraced, broken, distorted), beginning and ending strokes, tics clubs stabs on letter endings, baseline, speed, printing/cursive, connecting strokes (present or none), Signature ( this is how one wishes the world to see us), the body of the writing is how we really are in everyday life.

    I have tried to cover most areas to be examined. It is very important that there be several findings to support
    a conclusion. Even with that said, like any science it is
    subject to others opinion.

    I am working on Casey's writing and will share my finding
    with you. At this time, I can tell you that her signature
    indicates a lot of frustration/anger in connection to the name Anthony. At this point, I cannot say if it is toward her Mother or Father. Please note that as she ends her last name the Y swings back through Anthony and it is done
    with a "felon's claw". The reason for that name is that
    researchers have found many inmates write with that
    sickle type shape at the end of a down stroke. This does not imply guilt, many people write with felon's claws. However, Casey is trying to eliminate whatever she feels about her last name. It usually is anger toward a parent.

    I do not take this work lightly, it is important to me that
    I do my best. It is my hope each of you will find it useful
    and see it as "part" of the whole picture.

    Wish you well,
    Mind Student


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mind student View Post
    Hello to everyone, I am new to Webslueths,
    A handwriting analysis cannot be done quickly. First is to
    look at the page, as if it were a picture. Then follow a
    system to collect information. Here are some of the
    things one must examine: The size, zone proportions,
    rhythm, pressure, spacing within and between words, spacing between lines, margins all four, the use of capitals,
    T-bars ( how tall/short) T-bar cross position and length and pressure, punctuation, direction or lean of the writing,
    direction of horzonal movement, Ovals( open, closed,
    loops or stabs), Capital ( I ) as it relates to rest of the writing, legibility, strokes ( clear, retraced, broken, distorted), beginning and ending strokes, tics clubs stabs on letter endings, baseline, speed, printing/cursive, connecting strokes (present or none), Signature ( this is how one wishes the world to see us), the body of the writing is how we really are in everyday life.

    I have tried to cover most areas to be examined. It is very important that there be several findings to support
    a conclusion. Even with that said, like any science it is
    subject to others opinion.

    I am working on Casey's writing and will share my finding
    with you. At this time, I can tell you that her signature
    indicates a lot of frustration/anger in connection to the name Anthony. At this point, I cannot say if it is toward her Mother or Father. Please note that as she ends her last name the Y swings back through Anthony and it is done
    with a "felon's claw". The reason for that name is that
    researchers have found many inmates write with that
    sickle type shape at the end of a down stroke. This does not imply guilt, many people write with felon's claws. However, Casey is trying to eliminate whatever she feels about her last name. It usually is anger toward a parent.

    I do not take this work lightly, it is important to me that
    I do my best. It is my hope each of you will find it useful
    and see it as "part" of the whole picture.

    Wish you well,
    Mind Student
    I had to sign back in after I read your post! Was about to go to bed.

    I am very interested to see your findings. I welcome anything that gives insight into this tragedy.

    Welcome to Websleuths!!! and thank you for your input! Catherine
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    We are all just trying to make sense of an unimaginable crime.


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    Thanks for your input. It's very much appreciated.
    Welcome!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mind student View Post
    I am working on Casey's writing and will share my finding with you. At this time, I can tell you that her signature indicates a lot of frustration/anger in connection to the name Anthony. At this point, I cannot say if it is toward her Mother or Father. Please note that as she ends her last name the Y swings back through Anthony and it is done with a "felon's claw". The reason for that name is that researchers have found many inmates write with that sickle type shape at the end of a down stroke. This does not imply guilt, many people write with felon's claws. However, Casey is trying to eliminate whatever she feels about her last name. It usually is anger toward a parent.

    I do not take this work lightly, it is important to me that
    I do my best. It is my hope each of you will find it useful
    and see it as "part" of the whole picture.

    Wish you well,
    Mind Student

    I've been up trying to get some bugs out of my computer and to make sure it's now working properly, I came to Websleuths to check it out. It works!

    We're a patient lot, mostly. We understand things take time, especially something like handwriting analysis. I'm willing to wait. I'm thrilled you gave us a small insight into her signature and her name. Most interesting.

    Most interesting.

    Thanks so much.
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    Mind student, looking forward to your results.


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    The beginning of Casey Anthony's handwritind analysis

    Dear Members, I am sorry for my delay, the last several days it seemed like I would lose my sweet dog of 14 yrs. At this time he is stable.

    First let me explain what cannot be found in HWA. The gender, age and which hand the writer uses.

    As I mentioned, the first thing I do is to look at the page as
    a picture. The page is the world and the writing is how the
    writer lives and reacts in his/her world. Casey's writing
    seems to form a "blur" on the page. If it were a window
    it would be very hard to seen through it. Other than the
    spacing around her captital letter I that is self protective
    move, she lives by her own set of rules. The lack of margins on the top, bottom and left( not straight) then
    even crowding of the right margin, points to one who
    sees her/him self as the center of everything and very little or no room for others.


    With the exception of a postcard, most everyone forms
    some margin on the left, top, and bottom. The right margin in most writing vary and that is considered normal.
    Casey's top, left and bottom are maxed out. The left margin has to do with her past. Though it is clinging to the
    left ( even so, there is a lack of a straight line). This is rare
    for most of the population have a straight left margin. It is
    a strong indication Chasey operates outside of societies
    rules and likely has all of her life. She literally crowdes
    people in her world, but it has been that way so long
    it becomes a way of life for family/friends.

    When you find inceased spacing between words...not just the cap.I, it is an indicator that the person is not telling the truth.

    Spacing within the words is tight(but not compressed).
    Each letter except cap.I is given the same importance.
    This tells us that everything thing in her life looms large to her, thereby constantly living in some sort of crisis mode.

    Spacing between the lines shows tangling. The lower parts of some letters, especially with loops/or straight lines fall into the
    middle zone of the next line. There are also some letters
    that reach up and cross into the line above. This points to
    confusion in thought process. Emotions clouding her
    judgement.

    Though printing is becoming the chosen style of handwriting, it still can be analysed . What is missing
    are the connecting strokes.

    In Casey's script though it not a connecting stroke, there are many arcades in to top of her letter formations. These
    are indicators of protection, secretiveness, difficulty in revealing true self.

    The slant of her writing is not a pure vertical slant, that would indicate head over heart, thinking process. There
    are letters within words that are leftward and some rightward. Her T stems are most often leftward. Then
    you will see that many of the ovals are rightward. This points to the unpredictability in her nature...from minute to minute. (In viewing the family as a whole, living and loving someone who behaves in this fashion, is much like
    living in a minefield.)

    I must stop for now....more to come.

    Thank you for being interested, I hope we all learn and grow as caring people through this process.

    Good thoughts to all,
    Mind Student


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    Quote Originally Posted by aksleuth View Post
    If I did this correctly, you should be able to follow this link to Casey's unlined handwritten note to Sheriff Berry and be able to download it to your computer.

    http://www.4shared.com/file/73759360...ified=5b0b2b65


    Link to the family's handwritten documents. Click on download and it'll begin the process in about 30 seconds (be patient).

    http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3229080878.html

    Once it's downloaded to your computer, you'll be able to skim down a few pages until you see the handwritten statements.


    About this cursive thing, graphologists may have to rethink their analysis of handwriting that doesn't contain cursive/script for the up-and-coming generations. It's becoming a thing of the past because schools are concentrating their efforts on computer science. Do a Google search for "cursive in schools" or anything like that and you'll find lots of discussions regarding the lack of teaching cursive.

    Like others, I was also struck by Casey's lack of mature handwriting. Her lower case d and b are especially ill-proportioned with large lower portions and extremely short sticks.

    Cindy's handwriting isn't much like Casey's that I can tell. Cindy uses mostly cursive and has scribbles at times.

    Interesting how Cindy states she hasn't seen Caylee since June 8th, both Casey and George claim they last saw her June 9th. I know they claim there was a mix up with the dates and later found out it was June 15 & 16th, but why would all three have given those erroneous dates? Collaboration, perhaps?

    George prints all his statement, too, but that could stem from years as a policeman where he had to print everything so "everyone could read it". Interesting how he calls Cindy "my spouse". Also years of LE conditioning, maybe? Lee Anthony is also a "printer". hmmmm

    My ex-husband and all three of my sons are "printers" rather than writers. (And all their printing resembles one another's.) What (if anything) does this mean?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelieanne View Post
    My ex-husband and all three of my sons are "printers" rather than writers. (And all their printing resembles one another's.) What (if anything) does this mean?
    People with artistic abilities often print-write and, in and of itself, it means nothing negative. Examples of print-writers include artists, engineers, architects, graphic design specialists. As an interesting side note, many LE personnel also exhibit print-writing.

    I'd also like to remind everyone, let's keep our discussions on this thread focused exclusively on the handwriting of the players (KC, Cindy, George, etc.) provided in the handwritten statements to LE. This is not the place to discuss anyone else's handwriting.

    Thanks,
    Soulscape


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mind student View Post
    Dear Members, I am sorry for my delay, the last several days it seemed like I would lose my sweet dog of 14 yrs. At this time he is stable.

    First let me explain what cannot be found in HWA. The gender, age and which hand the writer uses.

    As I mentioned, the first thing I do is to look at the page as
    a picture. The page is the world and the writing is how the
    writer lives and reacts in his/her world. Casey's writing
    seems to form a "blur" on the page. If it were a window
    it would be very hard to seen through it. Other than the
    spacing around her captital letter I that is self protective
    move, she lives by her own set of rules. The lack of margins on the top, bottom and left( not straight) then
    even crowding of the right margin, points to one who
    sees her/him self as the center of everything and very little or no room for others.


    With the exception of a postcard, most everyone forms
    some margin on the left, top, and bottom. The right margin in most writing vary and that is considered normal.
    Casey's top, left and bottom are maxed out. The left margin has to do with her past. Though it is clinging to the
    left ( even so, there is a lack of a straight line). This is rare
    for most of the population have a straight left margin. It is
    a strong indication Chasey operates outside of societies
    rules and likely has all of her life. She literally crowdes
    people in her world, but it has been that way so long
    it becomes a way of life for family/friends.

    When you find inceased spacing between words...not just the cap.I, it is an indicator that the person is not telling the truth.

    Spacing within the words is tight(but not compressed).
    Each letter except cap.I is given the same importance.
    This tells us that everything thing in her life looms large to her, thereby constantly living in some sort of crisis mode.

    Spacing between the lines shows tangling. The lower parts of some letters, especially with loops/or straight lines fall into the
    middle zone of the next line. There are also some letters
    that reach up and cross into the line above. This points to
    confusion in thought process. Emotions clouding her
    judgement.

    Though printing is becoming the chosen style of handwriting, it still can be analysed . What is missing
    are the connecting strokes.


    In Casey's script though it not a connecting stroke, there are many arcades in to top of her letter formations. These
    are indicators of protection, secretiveness, difficulty in revealing true self.


    The slant of her writing is not a pure vertical slant, that would indicate head over heart, thinking process. There
    are letters within words that are leftward and some rightward. Her T stems are most often leftward. Then
    you will see that many of the ovals are rightward. This points to the unpredictability in her nature...from minute to minute. (In viewing the family as a whole, living and loving someone who behaves in this fashion, is much like
    living in a minefield.)


    I must stop for now....more to come.

    Thank you for being interested, I hope we all learn and grow as caring people through this process.

    Good thoughts to all,
    Mind Student

    Hello Mind Student,

    You have provided a most careful, thought-provoking analysis. Thank you for your excellent contribution in helping us understand KC's psychology.

    I could have bolded almost every sentence you wrote, but for now, I wonder if you may be able to expand on the concepts I have bolded above in your quote, specifically:

    -- connecting strokes and/or lack thereof
    -- use of arcades
    -- slants gone wild

    Thanks again and I hope all goes well with your beloved dog...

    Thanks,
    Soulscape


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    Continued Handwriting analysis on Casey Anthony

    Dear Soulcape and Kaelieanne,
    Your comments are much appreciated. My computer skills are not the best, sometimes I cannot download something
    sent to me. I do have copies of the families writing and will address them later. I thank you for trying to send me
    the note on unlined paper, I would love to see it.
    Thank you so much for your help.
    Mind Student

    __________

    I believe most all graphologist know that printing has
    replaced cursive. However, we believe that writing is
    a unique individual brain/mind print of the writer and can
    be analysed as well.

    Connecting strokes: are garlands (generally curved shape
    like the cupped hand---but there are straight garlands,
    droppy garlands and sham garlands) each has a different meaning. Generally garlands indicate a caring giving nature but varies if it is a different kind. Angles are much like a check mark that connects one letter to another. Some
    angles are very sharp may look like sharks teeth, or they
    might be soft to some degree. Angle writers are restless
    and need to keep busy. Work is their main focus. It is difficult for them to express emotions or let go and have fun. They will argue their point and never give up. Acades is a connecting stoke that goes up and over.
    ( in Casey's m's, n's h's etc. the acades are seen) but they are not connectors. Aloof, cool, hiding or covering up all for
    self-protection. Threads connecting stokes can be seen
    in the writing of someone lying or trying to cover the truth.
    However, threads are also seen in the script of very intelligent scientist If the writing is for their own records
    they know what the threads mean. When threads are
    used to cover up, it is more like the movement of a snake.
    Most threads are seen at the end of a word, but they
    are also found on occasion in the middle of a word. Legibility is a key factory in writing, if it is intended for another to read. Otherwise it is a complete waste of time
    of the writer and inconsiderent of the reader.

    Pressure is the mental energy that the writer is expressing
    at that time. ( It is far better to have the original copy
    and know exactly what writing tool was used.) Since this cannot be, I must base my analysis on what I see. It appears to be a ballpoint pen. What I find interesting is
    that the whole picture of the page, presents so much up and down movement, I get the feeling of walking through
    very thick tall weeds. So I have to get a very close
    magnified look at each letter. There are "many" letters throughout that indicate the pressure is not steady. It is as if she is reluctant to write and her brain keeps making her hand lift ever so slightly from the paper. (If you compare this to her Father's, you will see that he has very
    heavy pressure.)
    This writing does not have three well defined zones.
    Her middle zone dominates what little upper and lower are present. This is why most everyone sees her writing as inmature. She does live in the moment and constantly
    creating her reality. (Though what she writes about is
    not part of her analysis) When she starts talking about
    time frames, her work, the nanny...the space between the words generally increases. This is because she is making it up as she goes. Her hand wants to move forward but her mind will not let her. ( Another thing I noticed, Casey
    will used words ( I proceeded to my place of employment.)
    Generally no one would elaborate in that manner. Then with time frames she always gave about a 4hr frame. That also does not seem to be what a prudent person would do.)
    With the dominate middle zone, she remains the center of her world and does not understand why others do not
    understand her. It is my opinion that she has always
    been demanding "I want it now!". Everything else can take a back seat. It is clear that her family has tried their best to support and help her, but it is not enough.
    One last thing for tonight. Her ovals: o,a,e,d, this is where
    we can see the emotional control/or lack of in a writing.
    There are some a's with a stab and more e's that are
    closed. She can speak her mind without great trouble
    it is only now and then that she will store something up
    and then explode. The stabs in the O's shows sarcastic and the ability to lie.

    More tomorrow I hope,

    Mind Student


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