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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneInOz View Post
    Here is this page !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://translate.google.com.au/trans...ial%26hs%3DaSV


    Caesar disappeared May 14th 1976

    This was a page in foreign language that you hit the Transalte this page and it came up with this ...


    Blah when you copy and paste it screws up the translation - just hit the link and you will see what it says better

    Now its interesting that it says they were abducted 14th May and our dead

    Jane Do and John Do were found August but on that page it says it "was

    reported by marine that Maria gave birth January (1977) "

    What IF that was a LIE ??
    a cover up that they were infact murdered OR they escaped and then were

    murdered But then was there any report that Jane doe was pregnant ? gave birth ? anything ?

    This was another person kidnapped at the same time http://translate.google.com.au/trans...ial%26hs%3DaSV
    Did the Mother ever see any proof of the deaths or was it just 'assumed'? IF NOT, it could have been a LIE..
    Remember our Jane Doe and Jock Doe did show up just 141 miles from Fort Bragg at the Santee, SC , KOA.....dressing like American race fans.
    IF they were smuggled out of their country, whether on military or public airlines, would they have had passports?...

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    Wow, I think the resemblance is uncanny!

    Taken from John Doe's vital stats page -

    "They had no money on them, but there were several clues that led investigators to believe that the couple might have been well-to-do or perhaps even from another country."

    And -

    "Officials with Interpol as well as U.S. Customs investigators and immigration authorities also had been alerted. Contacts were made with agencies in Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, and in the Mediterranean."

    Something made LE think that they were perhaps of Latin descent.

    The US is such a melting pot of people - What made LE think they could be from another country?
    Last edited by Tracie5; 11-27-2008 at 08:33 PM. Reason: Adding question

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    Quote Originally Posted by KivaSupporter View Post
    Today I read a number of articles written in Spanish.

    They all say the couple was arrested but their bodies were never found. They are missing and presumed dead. As far as the baby is concerned, this information is coming from only one person, former Marine Adolfo Scilingo. Apparently, he had stated the baby was born in December and on another occasion he had said the baby was born in January.

    Nobody knows for sure.
    Kiva that is what I said in my post before...It could Easily be a Lie

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    I think I read where you are going with this Mysterylover. Now, I am no conspiracy theorist, and I really don't want to open any can of worms on what is surely a very sensitive subject for those family members of the disappeared who are still alive. Specifically, Maria's Mother and brother whom it seems are directly involved with the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madres_de_la_Plaza_de_Mayo)

    It is my understanding that the circumstances of Argentina's Dirty War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_war) are still sensitive. Even though both the U.S. and Argentina have declassified documents relating to the disappearances and other activities, I am not sure how far I want to take this train of thought.

    That said, some interesting information that I scoured up last night from various websites;

    -Cesar was a Dr. of Veterinary Medicine
    -Maria's Father was a diplomat who tried to have her released
    -Speech given by Maria's mother to Human Rights Council(http://www.ngocongo.org/files/ngo_sp...asquez_eng.pdf), she seems like an incredible woman who has devoted her life to protecting the rights of others, I would hate for her to have to go through the kind of pain she suffered again, if there is any validity to this connection, and even if there is none.
    -Declassified docs (http://www.desclasificados.com.ar/in...r/i.php?i=1605 <This site allows you to search for names, I can only barely navigate it as I have no romance language experience. A little Latin can only get you so far.)

    I can see this as being a very difficult avenue to follow that will be met with much resistance because the circumstances are almost beyond belief, and would raise many uncomfotable questions for all parties. I would hate for this to bring any further pain to those involved.

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    On the link where the mother talks about Maria she says she has got in contact with the boy she believes to be Marias Son that was adopted but he does not want to know her.

    According to that other translated page it said that she gave birth and that Maria and Caesar and baby dissapeared!

    And as I said it was only one persons testimony that she gave birth

    I wish the *adopted son* would consent to Dna for Marias Mother - it would certainly clear up a few things

    Also from reading about their deaths ie 2 in the back and then turned over and one straight under the chin - it certainly sounds *professional* shall we say

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaedchenX View Post
    I think I read where you are going with this Mysterylover. Now, I am no conspiracy theorist, and I really don't want to open any can of worms on what is surely a very sensitive subject for those family members of the disappeared who are still alive. Specifically, Maria's Mother and brother whom it seems are directly involved with the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madres_de_la_Plaza_de_Mayo)

    It is my understanding that the circumstances of Argentina's Dirty War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_war) are still sensitive. Even though both the U.S. and Argentina have declassified documents relating to the disappearances and other activities, I am not sure how far I want to take this train of thought.

    That said, some interesting information that I scoured up last night from various websites;

    -Cesar was a Dr. of Veterinary Medicine
    -Maria's Father was a diplomat who tried to have her released
    -Speech given by Maria's mother to Human Rights Council(http://www.ngocongo.org/files/ngo_sp...asquez_eng.pdf), she seems like an incredible woman who has devoted her life to protecting the rights of others, I would hate for her to have to go through the kind of pain she suffered again, if there is any validity to this connection, and even if there is none.
    -Declassified docs (http://www.desclasificados.com.ar/in...r/i.php?i=1605 <This site allows you to search for names, I can only barely navigate it as I have no romance language experience. A little Latin can only get you so far.)

    I can see this as being a very difficult avenue to follow that will be met with much resistance because the circumstances are almost beyond belief, and would raise many uncomfotable questions for all parties. I would hate for this to bring any further pain to those involved.


    It sounds so horrible

    The military has admitted that over 9,000 of those kidnapped are still unaccounted for, but the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo say that the number is closer to 30,000, 500 of those given to military related families and the remaining number dead. The numbers are hard to determine due to the secrecy surrounding the abductions. Three of the founders of the mothers of the Plaza de Mayo have also "disappeared". After the fall of the military regime, a civilian government commission put the number of disappeared at close to 11,000.

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    The Dirty War in Argentina from the 70s was absolutely horrible. Actually, it was ShadeTreePI who posts on the Mystery Couple thread who e-mailed me months ago when she found out about the Dirty War and was thinking of it in regards to the Mystery Couple. I haven't read as much in-depth about it as I would like to, I hope to investigate it more a little later. But I think it certainly is worth looking into, especially with Jane Doe looking so much like Maria Vasquez.

    And there are also varying dates of when Maria gave birth so I still think it's worth checking out.

    The Dirty War is still a very painful issue from what I've read, and rightfully so. It only happened 30 years ago, still lots of people around who remember it and had family members killed or go missing. It should definitely be approached very delicately as far as investigating this to see if there could be any relation to the Does.
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    MB, you are right about Shadetree. She has done extensive research on the dirty war... hopefully she'll chime in.

    FWIW the SC Jane Doe had never given birth. This is per the autopsy/coroner in Sumter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmf View Post
    MB, you are right about Shadetree. She has done extensive research on the dirty war... hopefully she'll chime in.

    FWIW the SC Jane Doe had never given birth. This is per the autopsy/coroner in Sumter.

    That puts paid to the theory that either it is Maria and the man who said She gave birth was a elaborate lie to conceal the truth and off put people OR
    its the wrong person

    And On the Dirty war - it couldnt have been more aptly named could it
    *Shakes head in disgust*

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    I found this place that has pictures of people missing. I don't think anybody has posted it.

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...7SUNA%26sa%3DN
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    Quote Originally Posted by prd2bokie View Post
    I found this place that has pictures of people missing. I don't think anybody has posted it.

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...7SUNA%26sa%3DN
    My gosh, I can't believe there were THAT many people killed or missing. I was absolutely chilled looking at all those faces together in that memorial. I posted a link below to an article from the BBC in 2002 that says the "official investigation" concluded there were about 9,000 people killed. Human Rights organizations put the number at 30,000!

    Thanks for posting that memorial with all the pictures, prd2bokie.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2206534.stm
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    Quote Originally Posted by prd2bokie View Post
    I found this place that has pictures of people missing. I don't think anybody has posted it.

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...7SUNA%26sa%3DN
    Thank you for posting that I saw it in a small frame on wikipedia and couldnt find it large

    BUT I have found the translated page of it

    http://translate.google.com.au/trans...ial%26hs%3DofC

    When you click on the pic it tells you about the person

    Its not the best translations but it gives you an idea. The red cross means they were found DEAD / MURDERED

    Its just so so so sad and so freaking WRONG

    God Just look at this story http://72.14.235.104/translate_c?hl=...HLMnD9H7isALpQ

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    Im not sure why there are two threads running but have you seen this on the other thread ?
    http://www.nationalpost.com/multimed...html?id=407163

    These photos are even MORE of the persons face to compare to Maria and Caesar

    I havent done a side by side - but what do you think ?

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    I was wondering what the red cross meant. I'm glad you found a translated page. At first I thought the page could have been about anything, but a couple of things made me think it was about the war.
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    I just did a side by side and Maria and Jane look like twins. I see some similarities between the men but not like the women.
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