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    Quote Originally Posted by WildHeart View Post
    John Hagee? Free Republic? A Gun nut's website? Let me just say that while I do very much believe in astrology it is no wonder some of you are scaring yourselves to death by using any of these as news sources. They are anything but. The only words I'd believe at any of those sites are "and, but, and the".

    And Glen Beck? Like Rush Limbaugh, he's had his issues with substance abuse.
    Thank you for your opinion, WildHeart. Just want to tell you that I'm not scaring myself to death. I read & I watch to see what happens. So far I haven't taken any action -- perhaps that's why we are where we are today. Most of us sat back & let the worm turn while unhealthy changes happened in the past. There is reason to be concerned about the "change" we're seeing in the few short weeks since the inauguration and about this economy of ours which is being strained (stretched way beyond the limits) even further than it was.

    IF you just listen to certain news individuals (the "progressive" types), then you can be humming along when/if the sky falls. I'd rather know what the worst could be & be pleasantly surprised when it doesn't come all the way down on our heads.

    "Gun nut"? I have a gun & I'd like to keep it -- I believe we have the right to have them. Taking away guns is just the tip of the iceberg. Other freedoms are eroding, too.

    BTW, go do some research about gun control. Here's an article to start you off: http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html

    The safety of English people has been staked on the thesis that fewer private guns means less crime. The government believes that any weapons in the hands of men and women, however law-abiding, pose a danger, and that disarming them lessens the chance that criminals will get or use weapons.

    The results -- the toughest firearm restrictions of any democracy -- are credited by the world's gun control advocates with producing a low rate of violent crime. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Lewis Powell reflected this conventional wisdom when, in a 1988 speech to the American Bar Association, he attributed England's low rates of violent crime to the fact that "private ownership of guns is strictly controlled."

    In reality, the English approach has not re-duced violent crime. Instead it has left law-abiding citizens at the mercy of criminals who are confident that their victims have neither the means nor the legal right to resist them. Imitating this model would be a public safety disaster for the United States.

    V/R, OB (Gun Nut)

    P.S. I like Rush & Glenn Beck!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildHeart View Post
    John Hagee? Free Republic? A Gun nut's website? Let me just say that while I do very much believe in astrology it is no wonder some of you are scaring yourselves to death by using any of these as news sources. They are anything but. The only words I'd believe at any of those sites are "and, but, and the".

    And Glen Beck? Like Rush Limbaugh, he's had his issues with substance abuse.
    WildHeart, there are so many sources for info out there.

    I find FreeRepublic a great source for news, even if I do not agree with all of the comments posted there. This, particularly since the Main Stream media seems not to cover many of the issues that are going to affect us in the future.

    It isn't smart to limit ourselves to just news sites that support a particular political point of view.

    And, I don't get the connection between "substance abuse" and news that might affect our personal decisions about understanding the astro-weather for the USA. I am not particularly "scared to death", because our savings isn't in the market, and we are prepared here to deal with economic difficulty.

    Also, using astrology to forecast the storms we might be facing in this country has nothing to do with politics, because politics has nothing to do with astrological forecasting, in my humble opinion. If you do find astrology helpful, surely you recognize that there are limits to our human control over events.

    But, I do respect your right to criticize those mentioned in your post, and am sure that there are many who agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterfly1978 View Post
    Thanks for the two links house mouse. Geroldo Celente is great, IMO. He is pretty accurate. Do you happen to know how he does his predictions? is it astrology or does he base his predictions on patterns and logic? Many of the things that he has said. I have said for a long time myself. I base mine off of logic. I sure would like to know how he predicts these events. I hope that America stands up. I had posted a blog a while back on myspace called What has happened to the backbone of America, where I talked about how complacent America as a society has become. People I know usually think I am negetive but, I'm not I see that everyone else is blind. You can not see what is going on and turn a blind eye to it and expect the government to fix things. I love the ant and grasshoppper story, I use it often, LOL.
    The reason I had asked about 2012 is to see if you have cast a chart. I am kind of on the fence about what may or may not happen. I wish I could do charts. I have tried and I just can not make heads or tails out of them. I firmly believe in Forinsic astrology, and from the things I have read about 2012 it will be a major astrological event, something that happens only every 30,000 or so years and with the alignment of the galaxy with the planets it is hard for me to imagine that nothing will happen. Its not like 2000 which would have been a man made event. 2012 is a natural astrological event and I am curious as to what the impact will be.
    I was never aware of Celente until the youtubes of his forecasting started making the rounds of the web. You can check him out there. I think he is a "trends" forecaster, and doesn't use astrology. His record seems impressive, but who knows how many things he has missed, and that do not get reported as such.

    And, as far as 2012 is concerned, just because it is such a rare event, there isn't much history upon which to base a forecast. So, I know enough not to hazard a guess.

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    To the person who stated that we are scaring ourselves, and used the word gun nut.... Let me just ask you a question. The government is making it harder for law-abiding citizens to get guns to protect thier homes and kids, do you honestly think that a common criminal a murderer, a robber , a drug dealer goes and legally purchase a gun, registars it and then turns around and uses it in an illegal act? No they don't! All tuogher gun laws do is make it harder for us to protect ourselves from criminals.So if me believing that makes me a gun nut than I will proudly take that title. Not to mention our right to baer arms is protected by the United states constitution.

    I apologize I know this is an astrology furom, and not a gun rights furom, but I had to express my opinion. If my post needs to be deleted I understand!

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    We can try to keep track of any bills before Congress that affect our 2nd Amendment right to "keep and bear arms".

    There is a rifle in our closet, which we keep unloaded, and hope never to need.

    Our Belgian Malinois dogs are our first line of defense, but reality is that we live in a rural area, might need to hunt deer, and know that the local police would take too long to get here if we had "trouble", requiring their immediate response.

    If any bill comes before Congress, restricting our rights, we can do a chart for it, if we can track down the time & date.

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    According to what I read Housemouse the H.R. 45 bill was introduced to the house on January 6, 2009. Does that help? Or do you need the date and time it is due to be voted on?

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    Will check it out, butterfly. Listening to CPAC (Rush Limbaugh on Fox and CNN) at the moment.

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    Quoted from Merriman, a financial astrologer. He agrees with my concern about the coming new Moon in March.


    ".....Pay very close attention to is the full moon of March 10.

    This is a particularly powerful full moon, for the Sun will be in conjunction to Uranus and the moon in conjunction to Saturn. In other words, it will fall upon the Saturn-Uranus opposition, the most important of the long-term geocosmic signatures in effect November 2008 through July 2010.

    This is the long-term signature that most correlates with the kind of sudden and serious shock to the system that we have been entangled with over the past six months.

    In fact, a case can be made that state of crisis officially began six months ago when the opposite full moon occurred on September 15, 2008. That was the week when several banks and financial institutions collapsed. Just recently, Federal Reserve Board Chair Ben Bernanke acknowledged just how close the entire financial system came to a total collapse at that time.

    Well, here comes the second wave. Letís pray (a good Jupiter-Neptune activity) we are better prepared this time, for if not, another full moon on the Saturn-Uranus opposition could coincide with another break of support, with the corresponding sense of panic and hysteria.

    In other words, the possibility of a sharp decline in stock indices is very high this week. Like the terrorist alert system, letís say stock markets are now on ďred alert.Ē..."

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    Hmmm, wow. That is very interesting Housemouse, back in September after the banks started colapsing I went and took my money out of the bank. Then in about November I put my money back in the bank, it seemed to disappear as I was carring around cash, could seem to remember where I was spending it either. So I just put it back, figured it was better to take my chances because it was a sure bet the rate it was going I was going to lose all my money anyway. Do you suggest that we might need to rethink pulling our money out again?

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    Bank deposits are guaranteed up to $250,000, but I'd still stay away from the stock market.

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    You are right banks are secured by FDIC.... However Have you ever heard the saying you cant get blood from a turnip? In other words, if they dont have the money to insure all the banks that go belly up than what can you do?
    This is actually a conversation I have had with my dad, he said the same thing, but like I just said FDIC doesn't have the money to cover all the banks. The government is printing money because we just dont have it for the bailouts. So I dont find comfort in FDIC. Thats just me....

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    Red face scared?

    I could be scared to death, IF I let myself worry about all of the worst case scenarios being talked about on various websites. So I took comfort from something Housemouse said about being prepared. It never hurts to have extra food and water on hand for whatever reason. Power outages happen anywhere and everywhere. Mail and paychecks could be delayed. It's comforting, to me, to know future POSSIBILITIES through our Astrologer's and to be ready as best I can. I pray for the best, but try to be prepared for less than perfect conditions.
    Don't think of them as gun nuts - see them as descendants of the same people who helped draft our constitution and make it a reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterfly1978 View Post
    Hmmm, wow. That is very interesting Housemouse, back in September after the banks started colapsing I went and took my money out of the bank. Then in about November I put my money back in the bank, it seemed to disappear as I was carring around cash, could seem to remember where I was spending it either. So I just put it back, figured it was better to take my chances because it was a sure bet the rate it was going I was going to lose all my money anyway. Do you suggest that we might need to rethink pulling our money out again?
    I do not know if this is a good idea or not, to pull all our money our of the banks.

    I do think it is a good idea to have enough cash on hand to cover our needs for a a few weeks to a month or two, depending on our circumstances, and how well prepared we are with essentials stored in our homes.

    In my situation, our bank is about a 20 minute drive from home. So, consider that 40 minutes round trip. If there were lines of people at the bank, all trying to get cash, I would be away from my husband too long for his safety.

    I guess this is something we have to think through individually, according to our circumstances. There is the safety issue, our ability to keep it in a safe place, and not spend it, whether we have a lots of kids in the house, all sorts of different things to consider. Not to mention how safe we think our individual banks are from problems.

    No one right answer.

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    Wildheart, I think there is a forum for you, called "the parking lot". We discuss astrology here, not Republicans and Democrats.

    And, I am a conservative, neither a republican or democrat. I do read DU and other left-wing sites. I find Democrats and Liberalism to be cruel, racist, and incredibly short-sighted in their assumptions.

    Daniel Patrick Moynihan (Democrat) was right when he said that liberal social policies would destroy the black family and the black community. That they have done, and is, in part, why I consider them cruel and racist.

    But, before you take your arguments out to the parking lot, here is an article for you to read, and I hope you think seriously about it.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html

    Now, unless you want to discuss astrology, charts, aspects, timing, etc, go out there, and start your own thread.
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    And, for those of you who do not know, conservatism is a set of values, not a political point of view.

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    So we were discussing the Full Moon of March 10th, that it will fall upon the Saturn-Uranus opposition, that a case can be made that a state of crisis officially began six months ago when the opposite full moon occurred on September 15, 2008.

    Please carry on.






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    And, to do just that, I see that AIG, perhaps as soon as Monday, will be issuing the largest quarterly loss in history, and there is a rumor that the Fed will be trying, for the third time, to bail it out.

    This is right on time for the difficult times forecast for the first week of March, culminating with the Full Moon on the 10th.

    The article is from the NY Times, linked below, and has the total $ amounts, which stagger this poor housemouse.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/bu...ewanted=1&_r=1

    Also, for those of you who are interested in this economic mess, here is a long article from The City Journal. It describes the credit mess we got ourselves into, and as far as I can tell, isn't political, but descriptive.

    http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_1_credit.html

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    I just heard on CNN that they are worried about the drug cartel and the wars going on associated with that, that we spoke about the other day moving into the United States, they had a guy from the DEA talking about it.

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    Remember, Butterfly, I do not predict, just notice the astrological forecast.

    While I am anticipating the bad news the first week of March, culminating on the 10th with the full Moon, I have no idea exactly what will happen. It could be just economic, but since Mars is involved, it could be some kind of hostility. We can only watch and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by housemouse View Post
    Closer in time, let's keep an eye on the second week of March. This could be a rough time for the markets and national financial affairs.

    Venus will be turning retrograde, and the full moon period will in the same degree areas as the Saturn/Uranus opposition across Virgo and Pisces.

    President Obama is dealing with a long term Uranus transit, opposing his natal Mars at 22 Virgo, and this also is "spotlighted" by the full moon. His nerves are definitely being tested, and he is apt to be argumentative, stubborn, and obstinate. Some kind of accident or violence is a possibility. (Basketball injury?)

    But, considering that the US Mars (in Gemini) is being squared by the Saturn/Uranus opposition, and the full Moon, this might involve a challenge to Obama's presidency.

    Adding that the March full moon is echoing the full moon last September, when the financial crisis smacked us between the eyes. Some are speculating that the "meltdown" was deliberately triggered by persons unknown.....
    Here is what I said on Feb. 14th. We will see what the news brings in the next 10 days.

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    Yes, Housemouse. I try and remember that, I remember you talking about it in the Caylee case. Which by the way I love how well you explained how God created the heavens and the earth and how he points to the signs in the heavens. I think you did a great job explaining that.

    I do have a difficult timie knowing something may happen and not knowing what. I know its a no no to try and predict, I just have I guess what you call "gut" feelings alot of times and my gut is telling me I dont like whats happening in Mexico, or with whats happening with the economy. I just wish there was a way to know. I have three small kids, I am not "scared" I am more worried that I will not be prepared when and if something happens.
    September 11, 2001 I was not prepared. We had just moved to Virginia a week before 9-11 and left everything behind in Alabama. My daughter had started school up there and I had my other 3 year old daughter. We didn't even have a television at that time. My daughter missed the school bus and I walked her to school. My hubby had the car at work. When we reached the school, they had the television on stating that a plane had crashed into the WTC, I was like that is terrible, signed her into school and left. I walked across the street and got a drink the lady in the store was screaming and crying I thought she had been robbed, I asked what was wrong and she said we were under attack another plane had crashed and the news was saying it was terrorists. I dropped my drinks and ran out to the pay phone because I didnt have a phone either. I wanted to speak to my mother, or someone, they were in Alabama I was in Virginia, my husband was at work and my daugther in school my other daughter was with me. I tried and tried to call and all I got was a recording saying that all circuits were busy try your call later, after about 45 minutes I gave up. I ran to my daughters school and they had locked the school down. I wasnt allowed to get my own child out of school, because we lived so close to an army base and so close to the Pentagon. My 3 year old and I walked home. I had no phone, no TV, and my family was seperated. I had no way to protect myself or my daughter and the last thing I had heard was that 3 planes had crashed and that our country was under attack. My daughter and I locked ourselves in the closet, all day long until my husband come walking in that evening after work. They still didnt let my other daughter out of school til later that night.
    I vowed from that day forward I would NEVER EVER be unprepared again, and I make sure I am always able to get a hold of all members of my family. I always have at least a radio so I can here the news and I always have a way to protect myself and my children. My need to know comes from this experience and I do apologize if I seem to be asking you to predict. We should all always be prepared whatever happens.

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    I am looking for news stories that fit the issues we have discussed regarding the transits ahead. Found this one in the Salt Lake Tribune. And, I think, but am no weapons expert, that the way they define "assault weapons" means just a repeating rifle, like any modern rifle.

    If I am right, this could be the "Mars" issue, because Mars rules weapons. Just speculating here, and Butterfly, we are not forbidden to use our intuition, our instincts for self-preservation, etc. Prediction is pretending to knowledge that we do not have.


    http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11792204

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    Quote Originally Posted by housemouse View Post
    Here is what I said on Feb. 14th. We will see what the news brings in the next 10 days.
    Thank you Housemouse for explaining things so clearly that even I can understand LOL.

    Now I see that we had Sun/Saturn opposed to Moon/Uranus on 9/15/2008 and will have Sun/Uranus opposed to Moon/Saturn on March 10th.

    How many of us realized back on 9/15/2008 it was the beginning of a financial crisis?
    When you mentioned the "meltdown could have been deliberately triggered by persons unknown" it reminded me that I only heard it mentioned once (I wonder why)- that on 9/15/2008 in one hour a huge amount of dollars were removed from the money markets!! I can't help but believe this to be true and it to have caused sudden panic in the financial markets.

    My question would be- if this happened- who did it and why have we been
    kept in the dark about it? Was that day in September the beginning of our problems?

    Alas,since then we've done nothing in the best interest of our American free market system.

    OH where's my prozac!!!

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    Mexico's Drug Wars

    For butterfly, a link to a Free Republic news article on the spill-over consequences for USA citizens. I hope parents are going to be successful in keeping their kids on this side of the border for spring break.

    Title is:
    U.S. Families feel sting of Mexico's drug violence

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2196754/posts

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    housemouse I cannot locate the chart you did for the economy. I wanted to have a look at it because there is another board that I belong to, it is a finance board and many of the senior posters there are predicting that the first week of march has the potential to show a huge slide in the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P. It is being said that we will break supports that were set back in the 80's. What did the month of March look like to you from an atrological viewpoint?

    O/T I am not an investor LOL. I'm just curious to see what the stars say about what may or may not be possible this upcoming week
    "Three things in human life are important: The first is to be kind; the second is to be kind; and the third is to be kind." ~ Henry James

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