Off to watch it now. I am not convinced about the whole Bible Code concept, but try to keep an open mind. I would trust the Jewish scholars more than the fundamentalist Christians, however.
Will comment on whatever they have to say about astrology after I have watched it.
He states he's against astrology but then he brings up several astrological points in the rant, which is why I posted it
OK, I watched it. I will watch it again, and do more stopping, because he goes too fast for me.
This is what my first thoughts are. There is no doubt that mathematics (not my strongest talent) seems to the the basis for almost everything we can perceive in the universe, and pervades just about every aspect of human understanding of the world we explore.
Einstein said "God does not play dice with the universe".
It isn't random, there is an order, but sometimes the order is beyond our comprehension. Look up "Chaos Theory" if you really want a massive brain strain!
But we are not God, and therefore develop "notions" of "what ought to be" in a reality that truly is beyond our limits, then waste a lot of time and energy demanding that others share these notions.
So, we try to make life understandable, to find some way of making sense of what seems beyond our control, hoping to explain (then expand our control over?) the mysterious.
Astrology seems the best way I can attempt to understand these cycles in life, probably because I was great at geometry, and terrible at algebra. But, the biblical warnings remind me that, like Job, there are real limits to my understanding of His designs. So, I am warned not to predict events, but am permitted to predict "times".
Does that make sense?
Exactly. When one studies numbers, and I mean whole numbers (like one does when they first undertake the study of numerology) things start to fall into place. Same with astrology.
Rhythmic, I am troubled by a few of his comments. Particularly when I put them together with the Serbian astrologer's analysis I linked earlier.
I am going to study up on negative aspects to Obama's chart that might support their concerns. I do not predict, but look for difficult (hard aspects). After reading the Serbian astrologer's predictions, I looked ahead, using one of my "shortcut" methods (graphic ephemeris), and saw something in November '09 that looked very problematic.
Will post more when Obama has finished his speech. I need to listen.
Hi housemouse, I only posted that link because it immediately came up after I finished watching the link that Butterfly posted. I thought some of his comments very interesting and mostly am interested in them only as food for further thought and research, not because I agree with him. I'm wary of his type of demeanor, for starters.
I will be very interested in reading what you have to say about November 09. Watching the speech now too.
Please know that I am posting this without having done all the research I should be doing. The technique used is a quick method to see in graphic form all the "hard/event" aspects in a chart.
It is confusing until you know what you are looking at. First of all, what it does is divide the 360 degrees of the zodiac circle by 8. That quickly shows all the conjunctions, oppositions, squares, semi-squares, and sesquiquadrates as they exist in the birth chart you are looking at. Ignore all the vertical colored squiggly lines for the moment.
Notice that there are 45 ticks on the left side. 360 degrees of the zodiac divided by 8 = 45. Shows all the "hard" aspects.
Look at the "0C" mark at the top left. We start at the first of the cardinal signs, (Aries). It is drawn from 0 degrees to 30 degrees. (Count the ticks for the moment, and ignore the "0M" at tick 15.)
Once we have reached the end of 30 ticks, we start the "fixed" (Taurus), and count 15 more ticks. That brings us to 15 degrees of "fixed", but we are only half way through, reach the end of the 45, so we go back to 0, and then count the next 15 ticks to get us through the end of Taurus.
That brings us, finally, to 15 ticks down, so we can start counting the mutables, starting us off at 0 Gemini. We keep going around the 360 degrees that way until we have covered all of them.
Then, we draw all the planet lines horizontally across the chart for the natal chart we are studying, depending on where they fall in the respective signs. It is a quick way of seeing the interaction of the "lesser" hard aspects to the major "hard" aspects in the natal chart.
OK, now we get to the more vertical lines, and the wavy ones. These represent the movement of the planets as they circle around day by day. Some, like the Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars, move pretty quickly and are more vertical. The slower ones are more loopy and wavy.
Where they cross each other, they are making a "hard" aspect in the sky. Where they cross a horizontal "birth chart" line, they are energizing that natal planet.
Each of the planets, both natal and transiting, keep their basic meaning. All we are looking for is the timing of the contacts between the horizontal "birth planets", and the transits in time of the "transiting planets".
Now, I am going to post my "quick look" at a possible challenging time, using the Graphic Ephemeris for the months of 2009, from July to December of 2009. That is marked across the top, and the bottom.
(Are we having fun yet?)
I have worked some computer magic, and drawn a vertical line to the intersection I spotted, real fast, when I had the computer generate this Graphic Ephemeris. My eyes were drawn to the red Pluto line intersecting the red Saturn line, and see how they cross each other on Barack's horizontal Venus line? (did you all print out the legend sheet?)
Follow my maroon drawn line with the arrows at top and bottom down, and notice any other Obama horizontal black lines that it crosses. See Uranus going retrograde back up toward his Mars line?
Now, I do not predict, friends, anything other than the right timing for events. Mid-November of 2009 will be some kind of event for him, carrying the energy of transiting Saturn and Pluto on his Venus, and transiting Uranus on his Mars. Mercury will also be hitting his North Node, and Venus will be joining Uranus, then hitting his Neptune, while Mars is making a hard aspect to his Sun.
I don't even want to think about what kind of "keyword" sentences I could write for this set of tough aspects! So, let's not speculate, but be mindful of watching in Mid-November.
Will post the "Graphic Ephemeris" in the next post. It might be easier to print out that way.
Here it is. And I hope it helps you to understand my worries about November of 2009.
Was my post a bit too complicated? I waffle back and forth between wanting to explain the techniques I use, and just keep it simple and post summaries.
Hopefully you all are watching various webnews sites, and relating the headlines/stories to some of my summaries. If you think you spot a news story that "clicks", post what "keyword" rang a bell.
Oh no, housemouse, it wasn't. I appreciated the effort you made into doing all that work. I printed out the graphic ephemeris and read the analysis.
Then I started thinking about positive thinking and prayers.
That brings up the eternal question of "is it really all written in fate beforehand" or "do we really have the power to change destiny with prayer, thought process and intention."
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There is a rise and fall to human history. Nations rise, and then they fall. America is on the decline, and there isn't much we can do to stop it.
People elected to power keep trying to maintain their power, repeating the same old patterns that failed before in history. Some of us can see it, but too many just live for the moment.
Nothing we can do, as individuals, will exempt us from this fated historical pattern, because we live in it. But, as individuals, we can learn from the past cycles, and spot the same recurring pattern, even if cloaked in "modern language".
I do not think we can change these overall historical cycles by prayer. I do think we can use our intelligence, our faith, and our individual talents to adapt to the inevitable ups and downs of our destiny. We can exercise our own free will while living in the fated cycle, if we have the courage to raise our heads above the herd, that is.
Our prayers should be focused on Him, that we are able to figure out His will for our own lives, and how best to develop and use the individual talents he gave us so we can help our families, friends, and neighbors.
Does that help? And remember, I am just another housemouse, trying to figure out how to use my time on this earth, my personal "free will", respecting my obligations to ostrich-like relatives, as best I can, while being shocked by the "flying fickle finger of fate", and wondering what I should do.
A sense of humor and humility about all this helps. While we do have an obligation to pay attention to the best laid plans of our foolish "leaders", and notice that they keep making the same dumb mistakes over and over, we do not have to join them in the nonsense.
We can sharpen our common sense, so we are quick to notice their follies, and tell our grandchildren about these. We can use our free will to develop and maintain basic survival skills, so we can pass them along if time and circumstance requires.
They will remember our stories, and then they will be able to tell their grandchildren. We probably should be keeping journals for them to read.
I used to think the decline of earth would be socio/economic/political but now I think it will be a combination of that and massive earth changes.
Wish I could find those gaiamind charts ... They discussed the massive earth changes that took place when the very same configurations of Saturn and the other planets occurred. I think I will email James Fournier or Richard Tarnas to see what has happened to the research that was published on that website.
If you didn't catch America's News Room on Fox News Channel this morning, you should check out this video link about the expected huge sun storm that astrologers believe will hit Earth in 2012 and basically shut us down!!
Do you see this in the chart for the USA? Could it happen earlier....say November 2009 or so? I know that you have expectations of harsh times then which you have indicated. TIA for your very hard work on this thread!!
HEy guys, my son is sick so I haven't had much time to post, just read. I am sure you have probably heard about this already, but the time is getting closer for North Korea to launch their satelite (missile) and from what I just caught briefly on HLN, North Korea has taken two hostages as a bargaining tool.
Housemouse Is there a way to tell on a global scale what will happen, if they launch this missile in Violation of the UN? Could this be the start of a nuclear war or a world war? North Korea is really bucking up here and pushing the envelope.
If you scroll on down the page, there are links to several charts you may be referencing. I have no knowledge of how astrology works, but I'm amazed at the accuracy of it.
Keep up the good work Housemouse....GREAT thread!!!
Several years ago, there was much more information, and several more charts on the pages. Unfortunately, those charts and the essays have been taken down. I don't know whether they were taken down because of a problem with the charts (unlikely) or because they are being used in a publication that is either being prepared or already published (more likely).
Thank you. I still have to send an email to the original authors and/or the webmasters to see what happened to them. Your post reminded me I need to do that.
Things are difficult today. Can only make a quick post to say "hi", have read the questions, and will try to get to them when things settle down here at home.
Hey housemouse, I hope that everything is okay, with you keeping you and your hubby in my prayers.
I have looked at the 458 post and honestly I cant make heads or tails out of what you have posted I looked at it every which way and just can't tell what it is.
I am growing extremely concerned over what is going on with North Korea, I have been following it extremely close any news I can find on it. I am not honestly am lucky to have been able to make since out of the 9-11 chart, but I have no clue how to look at a future chart. It seems that what is going on with North Korea and the lines being drawn in the sand the expected date of launch is sometime between April 4 thru 8th. Is there away to cast a chart and see if this threat by North Korea is just a threat and nothing more or if it is going to be some sort of attack that could lead to another war with the USA as well as the rest of the world.I could see this possably leading to another world War if something isn't done.. What say you?
It's OK, butterfly, those Graphic Ephemerides can be a pain in the neck to read until you get the hang of them.
I posted it to show my concern about Barack Obama in mid November.
I have North Korea's chart downloaded, and will be watching what happens with interest.
In looking at North Korea's chart, and forward to the transits on April 4th, Mars has moved 16 Pisces in opposition to NK's Sun, and transiting Saturn is conjunct NK's Sun. Get out your sheet on the meaning of the planets in Mundane astrology, and see what you think, before reading my efforts to forecast.
Looking at the midpoints for April 4th, I see that the Sun/Mars midpoint and the Sun/Saturn Midpoint are both on NK's Semisquare between Uranus and Pluto. Hmmm. This fits for the herculean effort to launch a missile, and it could be premature, sudden, overtaxing their strength, (Uranus), or unscrupulous behavior, violence, war.
But I also notice that transiting Neptune is very close to NK's Sun/Mars, and that is a second suggestion of dishonest activity or fraud, but carries a "disappointment", lack of energy, vitality, illness with it.
Curiously, both transiting Mars/Pluto and NK's natal Mars/Pluto midpoints are in hard aspect to one another. The basic meaning of the Mars/Pluto midpoint is "superhuman power, force, brutality". Seems appropriate for what they are trying to do, but whether they will do it, or have it done to them is beyond my ability to know.
I now notice that the transiting Sun will be making a hard aspect to NK's Saturn. Interesting. We have an echo of the above mentioned Saturn aspect to NK's Sun.
If I didn't know that NK was threatening to do something with missiles, I would wonder if it was about time for Kim to meet his maker, perhaps with some military/police action taken against him. A revolution? A coup? The sudden death of the military involved in the test?
It also could be that they shoot off the darn thing and it kills a bunch of people, but where, I do not know. It could be that it gets shot down, and people get killed and hurt.
N.K.'s Sun (16 Virgo) is square the USA's Mars (21 Gemini), square USA Uranus (8 Gemini) and conjunct USA Neptune (22 Virgo). There are many other hard aspects between the charts, but won't try to delineate them all.
Astrology really can't tell specifically what will happen, ahead of time. It can confirm that NK is going to try to shoot something off, and that they may be lying about it. Since there isn't a whole lot any of us can do to stop it, the best thing to do is to watch and see which of our guesses come the closest to whatever happens.
I hope this helps you understand how to analyze the energies involved, and that it really isn't possible to predict whether this effort will be a success, or who might get hit, ahead of time.
Okay from your statement here this is what I see, Mars opposing NK sun, the sun representing a person of authority, mars representing military attacks/wars, terrorist attacks, so Mars opposing NK sun, tells me that there may be an attack against the NK authority????? ( I think), LOL...... Saturn Conjuction with NK sun, the sun representing once again persons of Authority, in conjuction with Saturn which Governs national death rate , life threating epidemic and state funerals, So I can be in agreement with you about this possably meaning the death of Kim, however like you said it could mean something else with the missle threat. Midpoints on April 4 being semisquare with Uranus and pluto. Uranus, being outbreaks of riots or political tensions,, also EXPLOSIONS... So maybe that means that the missile is shot down, and causes greater political tensions, however the involvment with Pluto bothers me because I know that Pluto is usually death and destruction. I have yet to see or even here discussed that Pluto is anything other than bad. So if I have done it right and from reading your interpretation I think that I have, I think the likely hood of something happening is good, lets just pray that it ends well.
One thing I am not understanding is this. USA Uranus (8 Gemini) and conjunct USA Neptune that one I cant figure out...
I also thought you might find this intresting and see what your take on this is.
Probably should have been written more clearly.
Our (USA) Neptune is at 22 Virgo. NK's Sun is at 16 Virgo. That is a very wide orb to use, but some astrologers would use it. I tend to discount it.
Could be NK is "bluffing" USA? Or whatever your favorite keyword for Neptune. They certainly have done so in the past.
And, you are right on with your interpretation. You really can't be more specific than to conclude that Saturn transiting NK's Sun is everything Saturn represents for Kim. We do know that he is reported to have been ill (stroke?)
So, if Kim were to fall ill again, perhaps another stroke, it would fit the symbolism/energies. But we can't conclude that. One of his top military officers could shoot him in the head, but we can't conclude that either, but it would fit.
If the missile launch blows up on the launch pad, it could take out a lot of the top brass watching, which would definitely cause the divine leader to "lose face". I have a very vivid imagination, and could make up all kinds of scenarios. Maybe China will get fed up with his antics, send in a spy (Neptune) and foment a coup, and sabotage the launch?
For all we know, the loon is aiming it at Hawaii, and our navy will have to shoot the darn thing out of the sky. If that were the case, Obama might hesitate, knowing that his birth certificate problem would be solved forever.
(Last sentence is a very bad joke, "gallows humor", I think Obama calls it...
We will have a good chance to analyze, and learn a bit more after we see it go off.