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    Heard back from the Editor again!

    It seems that of the 5 links I sent to him only 1 worked so he requested the information again. This time I scanned the actual articles and emailed them.

    They do have interest in pursuing bringing it up again based on another active child death case that goes to trial in Corsicana in early 2009. I assume this case is the rape/ hanging murder of 6 yr. old Hannah Mack.

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    Ed on the Navarro Co GenWeb site is great. He has spoken at the meetings of the genealogy society before.

    If you want--need assistance I will help you... just let me know. I hope that we can get her a name


    Yeah, sounds like Hannah Mack... poor little girl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judygirl View Post
    Just a note...Corsicana is on I-45 that runs from Dallas to Houston/Galveston.
    Since you mentioned the I-45 corridor, here is some info I posted on the thread about the the "Fort Worth Three" (Rachel Trlica, Julie Ann Moseley, and Renee Wilson) who disappeared from a Fort Worth Mall in December of 1974.

    "I came across some info pertaining to this case...

    As reported in the Galveston Daily News, March 28 1981, Brazoria County sheriff's dep't investigators, along with Ft. Worth police, were searching a swamp near the town of Alvin for human remains. In 1976, an oil rig worker discovered two skulls and a jaw in the area. But, due to what was termed a "bad search", nothing else was recovered at the time. Due to the election of a new sheriff, several cases were being given a second look. LE believed that the skulls may have had something to do with the disappearance of Trlica, Wilson, and Mosely.

    During the search on the 28th, human teeth, vertebrae, two pair of girls' pants and a high school drama book were recovered. The remains were sent to the coroner for dental comparison.

    On April 5th, 1981, it was reported that the remains belonged to two girls who had disappeared in 1974 from nearby Dickinson, Texas. Georgia Geer, 14, and Brooks Bracewell, 12, had disappeared without a trace in September while on their way to their school bus stop.

    The articles then went on to discuss the possibility that 40 other girls had gone missing and been murdered in the area of Brazoria County and the surrounding counties. By the mid-70's, the bodies of 21 girls who had been reported missing in 1971 and 1972 had been found. In 1974 and 1975, an additional 17 were reported missing. Police had developed a (unnamed) suspect in 1971, who was subsequently killed by police in 1972.

    The "official" LE story was that there was nothing substantial to link the cases. Unofficially, detectives were reported to say that there had to be something to it...The girls ranged in age from 12 to 21, most being 14 or 15. Almost all shared the same general physical features; thin builds, long, straight light to medium brown hair parted in the middle.
    Almost all were found in or very close to water.

    Other articles, dated as late as 2002, compiled missing/recovered/unidentifed victim reports from the area. One report stated that since 1971, 21 girls and women had gone missing along the I-45 corridor through the area, and the LE had recovered the remains of 14. This number includes those found in the Calder Rd "killing field", as discussed in another thread here."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowangel View Post
    Since you mentioned the I-45 corridor, here is some info I posted on the thread about the the "Fort Worth Three" (Rachel Trlica, Julie Ann Moseley, and Renee Wilson) who disappeared from a Fort Worth Mall in December of 1974.

    "I came across some info pertaining to this case...

    As reported in the Galveston Daily News, March 28 1981, Brazoria County sheriff's dep't investigators, along with Ft. Worth police, were searching a swamp near the town of Alvin for human remains. In 1976, an oil rig worker discovered two skulls and a jaw in the area. But, due to what was termed a "bad search", nothing else was recovered at the time. Due to the election of a new sheriff, several cases were being given a second look. LE believed that the skulls may have had something to do with the disappearance of Trlica, Wilson, and Mosely.

    During the search on the 28th, human teeth, vertebrae, two pair of girls' pants and a high school drama book were recovered. The remains were sent to the coroner for dental comparison.

    On April 5th, 1981, it was reported that the remains belonged to two girls who had disappeared in 1974 from nearby Dickinson, Texas. Georgia Geer, 14, and Brooks Bracewell, 12, had disappeared without a trace in September while on their way to their school bus stop.

    The articles then went on to discuss the possibility that 40 other girls had gone missing and been murdered in the area of Brazoria County and the surrounding counties. By the mid-70's, the bodies of 21 girls who had been reported missing in 1971 and 1972 had been found. In 1974 and 1975, an additional 17 were reported missing. Police had developed a (unnamed) suspect in 1971, who was subsequently killed by police in 1972.

    The "official" LE story was that there was nothing substantial to link the cases. Unofficially, detectives were reported to say that there had to be something to it...The girls ranged in age from 12 to 21, most being 14 or 15. Almost all shared the same general physical features; thin builds, long, straight light to medium brown hair parted in the middle.
    Almost all were found in or very close to water.

    Other articles, dated as late as 2002, compiled missing/recovered/unidentifed victim reports from the area. One report stated that since 1971, 21 girls and women had gone missing along the I-45 corridor through the area, and the LE had recovered the remains of 14. This number includes those found in the Calder Rd "killing field", as discussed in another thread here."

    I think LE thinks the I-45 murders are the work of 4 or 5 different people but don't quote me on that. There is a Texas murderer, Mark Stallings, who confessed to some of them I think but the youngest so far has been 12.

    In 1993 a dear friend of mine was murdered. Her husband was charged with the murder but then the DA bribed the husband, the husband called in the Texas Rangers in who wired him and the DA was later sent to prison on bribery charges. He's out now, walks around town, usually intoxicated, mowing lawns in a neighboring county, lol.

    The story is that she and her husband had an argument and she left their house on foot. He had taken her keys from her as it was Labor Day weekend and they had been drinking alcohol. She was mad so she left on foot. They lived on the service road on I-45 in Corsicana.

    Her body was found wrapped in trash bags, duct tape with chain and concrete cinder blocks attached to her in the Trinity River a week later. Not the MO for a random killing, I wouldn't think, but some have associated this with the I-45 killings which I find really far fetched.

    Any evidence against anyone is now so corrupt due to the actions of the DA that I'm sure her murderer will never be brought to justice.

    Does this case sound familiar to you Gabby?

    I had the opportunity my last day at work to look in the boxes on this case. The photos are horrible. She was such a beautiful and sweet woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby View Post
    Ed on the Navarro Co GenWeb site is great. He has spoken at the meetings of the genealogy society before.

    If you want--need assistance I will help you... just let me know. I hope that we can get her a name


    Yeah, sounds like Hannah Mack... poor little girl
    Hey Gabby, have you been reading about the psycho accused of killing little Hannah? Seems he's attempted suicide 3 times so far. He tried to shove a pencil down his throat, he cut his wrist with a piece of plastic and even used the zipper on his prison jumpsuit to cut himself, somehow.

    He is being kept in an isolated jail cell completely nude and they're worried about his rights....Gimme a break!

    They gave him a sheet but he shoved it in the toilet and the jail had to call Roto-Rooter out.

    I'll donate the bullet! I'll also donate the gun. Now that I think about it, I'll even donate my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judygirl View Post
    I think LE thinks the I-45 murders are the work of 4 or 5 different people but don't quote me on that. There is a Texas murderer, Mark Stallings, who confessed to some of them I think but the youngest so far has been 12.

    In 1993 a dear friend of mine was murdered. Her husband was charged with the murder but then the DA bribed the husband, the husband called in the Texas Rangers in who wired him and the DA was later sent to prison on bribery charges. He's out now, walks around town, usually intoxicated, mowing lawns in a neighboring county, lol.

    The story is that she and her husband had an argument and she left their house on foot. He had taken her keys from her as it was Labor Day weekend and they had been drinking alcohol. She was mad so she left on foot. They lived on the service road on I-45 in Corsicana.

    Her body was found wrapped in trash bags, duct tape with chain and concrete cinder blocks attached to her in the Trinity River a week later. Not the MO for a random killing, I wouldn't think, but some have associated this with the I-45 killings which I find really far fetched.

    Any evidence against anyone is now so corrupt due to the actions of the DA that I'm sure her murderer will never be brought to justice.

    Does this case sound familiar to you Gabby?

    I had the opportunity my last day at work to look in the boxes on this case. The photos are horrible. She was such a beautiful and sweet woman.


    I knew her. Yes, Shelley Watkins.... I don't think it was the husband... I think it was the father in law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judygirl View Post
    Hey Gabby, have you been reading about the psycho accused of killing little Hannah? Seems he's attempted suicide 3 times so far. He tried to shove a pencil down his throat, he cut his wrist with a piece of plastic and even used the zipper on his prison jumpsuit to cut himself, somehow.

    He is being kept in an isolated jail cell completely nude and they're worried about his rights....Gimme a break!

    They gave him a sheet but he shoved it in the toilet and the jail had to call Roto-Rooter out.

    I'll donate the bullet! I'll also donate the gun. Now that I think about it, I'll even donate my time.


    His goose is cooked. If he survives Navarro County Jail, he will die in Huntsville. AS HE SHOULD However, I don't think he was the only person behind this. and the live in boyfriend is still in jail... Things are really being kept too quiet on all this. Something is UP.. IMO
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    any more going on with the Daily Sun?
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    Hi, Welcome,Judy, I have posted this little girl on my missing kids site www.geocities.com/kidmissing . I have given you credit for what I quoted.
    Gabby, can I post a link on my site to your pics of her gravesite? I so hope we can help give her her name back and put the monster who did this in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpipergirl View Post
    Hi, Welcome,Judy, I have posted this little girl on my missing kids site www.geocities.com/kidmissing . I have given you credit for what I quoted.
    Gabby, can I post a link on my site to your pics of her gravesite? I so hope we can help give her her name back and put the monster who did this in prison.
    definately use my pictures. no problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby View Post
    definately use my pictures. no problem
    Thank you,Gaby

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    Can we go to the paper on this again?
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    2 more years and still nothing! The Daily Sun never ran an article. Was going through the Doe Network last night and found these.

    Tiffani Wise
    Brandi Summers
    Sheri Lynn Johnson
    Julie Ann Guthrie

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    You may also want to look at some missing people from charleyproject.org.

    There definitely appears to be a pattern with those cases. It could go a long way in putting together an MO for a serial killer, abducting young girls, drowning them, and then leaving them in moving water (ie rivers, streams).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabby View Post
    I knew her. Yes, Shelley Watkins.... I don't think it was the husband... I think it was the father in law.
    I use to work at the DA's office where this case is on file. My last day there in Dec. 2007 I asked and was allowed to go through 4 boxes of files that were on the very top shelf in the file room. There are more boxes but they are housed at a different location across town so these 4 boxes is all that I saw but these 4 boxes included Grand Jury testimony, autopsy, field notes from Investigators, TX Rangers, photos,.....

    Grand Jury testimony of the father-in-law is a joke. When asked simple questions such as his name his reply was "what do you mean?" or "I need to speak with my Attorney before answering." I AM NOT JOKING... After whispering with his Attorney he would answer with a question such as "do you want my full name including middle?" Meticulously detailed with his very short answers.

    Personally knowing this family what I "think" is that it was a family argument over Shelley being out on the lake after dark on jet ski's, drunk & with a teenage niece, worrying everyone about their safety, a holiday where everyone was intoxicated at the lake house. One Jet Ski had run out of gas so one had to pull the other back to shore which is why they returned after dark. Family rule was no jet ski's after dark, this rule was mentioned quite often in Grand Jury testimony.

    Once they returned and everyone realized they were safe, worry turned to anger. Maybe she was shoved and fell and hit her head....no way to truly know but I do feel it was an accident that the family then tried to cover up to protect the kids/wealth/name/status (your choice) in the community.

    Shelley was a Rebel, haha,,, it is easy for me to picture her bucking other family rules and perhaps in their drunken state, animosity grew and other incidents were brought up and everything got out of control. I must mention that I do not feel that the father-in-law was present during the accidental death but was called after the fact and possibly the mastermind of the cover up along with the help of a veteran police officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judygirl View Post
    2 more years and still nothing! The Daily Sun never ran an article. Was going through the Doe Network last night and found these.

    Tiffani Wise
    Brandi Summers
    Sheri Lynn Johnson
    Julie Ann Guthrie
    Going back through my notes,,,I'm pretty sure the Navarro County Sheriff's office ruled out Tiffani Wise and Brandi Summers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judygirl View Post
    I use to work at the DA's office where this case is on file. My last day there in Dec. 2007 I asked and was allowed to go through 4 boxes of files that were on the very top shelf in the file room. There are more boxes but they are housed at a different location across town so these 4 boxes is all that I saw but these 4 boxes included Grand Jury testimony, autopsy, field notes from Investigators, TX Rangers, photos,.....

    Grand Jury testimony of the father-in-law is a joke. When asked simple questions such as his name his reply was "what do you mean?" or "I need to speak with my Attorney before answering." I AM NOT JOKING... After whispering with his Attorney he would answer with a question such as "do you want my full name including middle?" Meticulously detailed with his very short answers.

    Personally knowing this family what I "think" is that it was a family argument over Shelley being out on the lake after dark on jet ski's, drunk & with a teenage niece, worrying everyone about their safety, a holiday where everyone was intoxicated at the lake house. One Jet Ski had run out of gas so one had to pull the other back to shore which is why they returned after dark. Family rule was no jet ski's after dark, this rule was mentioned quite often in Grand Jury testimony.

    Once they returned and everyone realized they were safe, worry turned to anger. Maybe she was shoved and fell and hit her head....no way to truly know but I do feel it was an accident that the family then tried to cover up to protect the kids/wealth/name/status (your choice) in the community.

    Shelley was a Rebel, haha,,, it is easy for me to picture her bucking other family rules and perhaps in their drunken state, animosity grew and other incidents were brought up and everything got out of control. I must mention that I do not feel that the father-in-law was present during the accidental death but was called after the fact and possibly the mastermind of the cover up along with the help of a veteran police officer.
    I read this and thought wow. Growing up I read Molly Ivins and Jim Hightower and respected both tremendously. I remember crying when learning Molly Ivins died. I'd read her stuff and think are you serious, thats deep. I even have family from Texas but have never been. They are kinda out there as well but great people. Working for Pd in Missour and we have had our share of cover ups (towing scandal, etc. ) but homicide not in my time.

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    Julie Guthrie?

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...rie_julie.html

    It says that she was abducted with her mom and brother. Leslie (mother) could have been killed back in New York. She was abducted in Feb. 1977 and that's right in the time interval that Jane Doe was killed during.

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    I don't think that this child is Julie Guthrie, Julie's Guthrie case and that of her brother and mother seems to me that it is a mother hiding out from and abusive husband or boyfriend. But back to the unknown little girl, could she have come from another country somewhere outside the United States and her family members don't know if she dead, or what if the child's parents are dead too, could the detectives in her case check through the database to see if her DNA match any unidentified bodies of females found in and around that time

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    Sometimes I feel as though I am the only person in the whole world that ever thinks of this little girl. How I wish that someone in LE of this community would take another look. Science has come so far since then.

    I am moving to Nashville, TN this week but I'll still continue to search missing children in hopes of identifying her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judygirl View Post
    Sometimes I feel as though I am the only person in the whole world that ever thinks of this little girl. How I wish that someone in LE of this community would take another look. Science has come so far since then.

    I am moving to Nashville, TN this week but I'll still continue to search missing children in hopes of identifying her.
    Let's make sure you aren't the only one who cares about this precious child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    Let's make sure you aren't the only one who cares about this precious child.

    This is our featured cold case from 2/12 to 2/19/2012
    Kim, It is nearly impossible to get anyone to even look at this. I have tried, JudyGirl has tried. I am the one who posted the pictures of this dear little girl. Anyone with more suggestions, I live close enough I could do legwork.

    send me an Instant message and I'll get back with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judygirl View Post
    Sometimes I feel as though I am the only person in the whole world that ever thinks of this little girl. How I wish that someone in LE of this community would take another look. Science has come so far since then.

    I am moving to Nashville, TN this week but I'll still continue to search missing children in hopes of identifying her.
    BBM

    Good luck with your move and your future endeavors--and thank you for all your hard work attempting to identify this little girl!!!

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    Has Christina Carter been checked?

    It's a long shot...if the girl was between 4-7 she would be at the high end of that range. But she was only 30 lbs when she was taken at 3 years old in 1973...so she was probably either a young three or very small for her age.

    http://nampn.org/cases/carter_christina.html

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