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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    What she is quoted as saying is that she lasting saw them McCanns as a family at lunchtime.

    This McCannfiles website appears to be anti-McCann, not unbiased. Unfortunately, the Dispatches programme is not available on YouTube. I did have it saved on my skybox but it was deleted when we had a repair done to it earflier this year.

    Fortunately, the Creche check-in records are part of the police files. In my experience, parents have to sign their children out and the time is recorded. So I imagine there will be a record of Madeleine's drop off and collection times to corroborate the nanny testimonies.

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    No..on dispatches she said she last SAW Madeleine at lunch time. Not that that was the last time she saw her as a family. I had already said this a few days ago and from the link...its obvious im not the only one who saw this.

    And my experiences are very different. On the occassions i have let my step daughter go to the hotel kids clubs i have never had to sign anything. In fact i wasnt even asked her name or mine for that matter.

    I can not help it if the McCann Files site is supposedly biased. Any site that prints things with facts that dispute the McCanns version is apparently biased. On the other hand it could be said..that a lot of people in this country think the parents know what happened ..and want to keep a check on the lies told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabella View Post
    No..on dispatches she said she last SAW Madeleine at lunch time. Not that that was the last time she saw her. I had already said this a few days ago and from the link...its obvious im not the only one who saw this.
    I cannot make sense of this. What is the difference between "she last saw Madeleine" and "the last time she saw her"?

    And my experiences are very different. On the occassions i have let my step daughter go to the hotel kids clubs i have never had to sign anything. In fact i wasnt even asked her name or mine for that matter.

    Charlotte Pennington IMO is a fantasist who likes to be in the centre of attention. MOO
    I have always had to sign for my children from the creches on holiday. Clearly we have very different holiday experiences. I remember signing for my son and older daughter in Spain as far back as 1992 and even at Butlins in Ayr in 1987. Shopper's creches too. They always have a booking in and out system - otherwise how would they know who was there in the event of a fire? I think this is a fundamental/standard requirement and has to do with fire regulations not to mention safety regulations and child protection. I'd find any resort which did not require documentary checking in and out of little children to be suspect. That they didn't even ask your names is quite shocking actually.
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    As I said - the PJs have recorded the sign in records for the creche so I'm sure they are satisfied with the witness testimonies otherwise we'd have heard about that for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    I cannot make sense of this. What is the difference between "she last saw Madeleine" and "the last time she saw her"?



    I have always had to sign for my children from the creches on holiday. Clearly we have very different holiday experiences. I remember signing for my son and older daughter in Spain as far back as 1992 and even at Butlins in Ayr in 1987. Shopper's creches too. They always have a booking in and out system - otherwise how would they know who was there in the event of a fire? I think this is a fundamental/standard requirement and has to do with fire regulations not to mention safety regulations and child protection. I'd find any resort which did not require documentary checking in and out of little children to be suspect. That they didn't even ask your names is quite shocking actually.
    You said..that one article was that she last saw Madeline at lunch and that the other article was the last time she saw them as a family. What i m eant was that wasnt the case. She was asked when was the last time she had seen Madeline in both articles..and gave different times.

    Regarding the Dispatches programme - no its not on You Tube now but i know it definetly was shortly after the programme as a lot of people watched it on the forum I was on at the time. I believe it was in about 5 parts. They had 3 ex cops there..and they stated that in there Opinion it didnt happen as the McCanns allege it did. They also made a big point out of how dark it was in that area and about the drains around Praia de Luz.

    And about my holidays. I have been to Dominican Republic ( numerous times ) 5 star hotels in Spain and Cyprus and was never asked for my step daughters name. The kids would be in a big room and u would just drop them off and fetch them later. And yes..it was stupid the way they did it because there could have been a fire etc.

    Regarding the time log...that would depend on who signed the log on how credible it was IMO. If it was the Wanna be fairy...then IMO not very.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabella View Post
    Of course if the McCanns had used the resorts minding service..there would been no chance she could have gone missing at ALL.
    Assuming this was a stranger abduction, YES the child would still be alive. I don't believe that to be the case though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    As I said - the PJs have recorded the sign in records for the creche so I'm sure they are satisfied with the witness testimonies otherwise we'd have heard about that for sure.
    Oh and Amaral's documentary also showed screen captures of the checking in and out register of the childrens' creche showing the entries for Madeleine on the day she went missing.

    (That would be the checking in and out register that Isabella says she's never known to be used on her vacations! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    Oh and Amaral's documentary also showed screen captures of the checking in and out register of the childrens' creche showing the entries for Madeleine on the day she went missing.

    (That would be the checking in and out register that Isabella says she's never known to be used on her vacations! )
    It has never been used on my vacations BUT...then again i have never been to a Mark Warner holiday..i tend to choose my hols on places we can spend a lot of time together..as a FAMILY..after all its a family holiday..i dont pick resorts dependant on places where i can drop them off for a week and then do my own thing..


    ANd actually regarding the date for the day in question..ive heard varying things about that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabella View Post
    It has never been used on my vacations BUT...then again i have never been to a Mark Warner holiday..i tend to choose my hols on places we can spend a lot of time together..as a FAMILY..after all its a family holiday..i dont pick resorts dependant on places where i can drop them off for a week and then do my own thing..


    ANd actually regarding the date for the day in question..ive heard varying things about that
    Sign in registers are only as good as the people (usually not highly skilled employees) monitoring them or the people signing them (parents who may be distracted.)

    It's why we use a computerized system at school--your child is literally logged in and logged out by an employee at a computer. There's no signing on just a piece of paper with no verification by anything or anyone else.

    Most of the larger churches around here use a similar system or card key system to put children in nursery as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Texana View Post
    Sign in registers are only as good as the people (usually not highly skilled employees) monitoring them or the people signing them (parents who may be distracted.)

    It's why we use a computerized system at school--your child is literally logged in and logged out by an employee at a computer. There's no signing on just a piece of paper with no verification by anything or anyone else.

    Most of the larger churches around here use a similar system or card key system to put children in nursery as well.
    There are various possibilties really...ie another child was taken to the creche and signed in as Madeleine...ie Tanners child didnt get signed in that afternoon...there are also rumours that the logs could been faked...and also..if Charlotte Pennington is involved who knows.

    IF...whatever happened actually happened on the 3rd IMO it was when Payne was there or thereabouts. I still kinda think it was the 1st tho.
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    ...i have to say,it is more common in europe at least when i grew up ,my parents would leave me and my little sister alone ....i was maybe 6 and she was 2,if they'd go to a neighbors house and they would'nt return until 2 or so in the morning....i could have never done that when i had became a mom,i keep thinking what where they thinking...i guess it just felt safe to them...


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    Quote Originally Posted by claudicici View Post
    ...i have to say,it is more common in europe at least when i grew up ,my parents would leave me and my little sister alone ....i was maybe 6 and she was 2,if they'd go to a neighbors house and they would'nt return until 2 or so in the morning....i could have never done that when i had became a mom,i keep thinking what where they thinking...i guess it just felt safe to them...

    I personally dont agree with doing that BUT...just how many years ago was that tho? Twenty or thirty years ago the world seemed a lot safer than it did now..and kids were given a lot more freedom and leeeway than they are now.
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    Is the culture so different that it's fine to leave a child alone in Europe but here you can get arrested for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmmbr_Cara View Post
    Is the culture so different that it's fine to leave a child alone in Europe but here you can get arrested for it?

    No its not ok to leave your kids alone in Europe. This was one of the main things that upset the Portugese people so much - they are a nation that loves kids...and they are welcome in all the bars there...and they simply didnt understand how these people could go out and leave there kids behind.

    I also know some locals were upset because had they left there children alone they would have been prosecuted for endangering there children - and of course the McCanns werent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    Oh and Amaral's documentary also showed screen captures of the checking in and out register of the childrens' creche showing the entries for Madeleine on the day she went missing.

    (That would be the checking in and out register that Isabella says she's never known to be used on her vacations! )
    Interview with Amaral in Holland:-

    Q: Have you any doubt as to the validity of Madeleine attending the creche on 3/5?
    A: No doubt whatsoever.
    Is he telling the truth or has he been "got at" too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles View Post
    Interview with Amaral in Holland:-



    Is he telling the truth or has he been "got at" too

    You missed out from the SAME interview

    Were the children drugged?
    YES without a shadow of a doubt ( paraphrasing)

    You also missed out....not surprisingly..that Kate called ther pj upset and wanted the twins hair testing for drugs...and Gerry phoned up CANCELLING it...i wonder why he did that
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