Some of this already covered...just adding my
"Your mommy does love you and hope that God can help her to let us all know where you are."
It reads to me like it prolly initially said,
"Your mommy does love you and ("we" deleted) hope that God can help her to let us all know where you are."
...she just edited it w/o being thorough. Half asleep, stressed outta her mind. So...a few fits & starts along the way.
That she included "heres" instead of "hears" also kinda tells you what kinda state of mental-readiness she was in. Just one of those things to point out while passing through the mat'l.
The content of the message gives us some insight, IMHO. No biggies, but, noteworthy. Mommies not talking. In God's arms. And the choice of posting in the first place...is a bit interesting too.
I dunno if Cindy had been using her MySpace account after her 7/3 diatribe. That one was a blog entry, IIRC. I would really like to know the details that transpired whence Cindy came to enlist MySpace 7/3. I'm assuming Cindy & Lee brainstormed 'bout reaching Casey. Perhaps after listening to Cindy rant he put his now-famous sleuthing skills to work (insert foreshadowing sound effect here ) and, after looking into it himself, this put the wheels in motion to creating Cindy's MS page and ultimately Cindy getting her first taste of PDR ( public display of rebuking) that night.
One has to wonder why Cindy wouldn't have started dropping similar PDR's on Casey's MS page. We've heard nothing of it. And, I guess there's at least a remote possiblity that Cindy did and those were among the deleted messages ( ring the bell for the first on-topic comment I've made on this thread please ). I say remote since we've seen nothing of this from what would surely be remnants of Cindy's comments on her own page before things all blew up.
All of it does make me curious 'bout Casey's MySpace status during the 6/16-7/15 period. IIRC, it wasn't private, which meant if Cindy had been savy enough she coulda kept tabs on Casey. Admitting yet another area of many in which I'm fact-deficient ...perhaps...was it on Casey's MS page that Cindy located an ABC-party pic??? I've never been clear on that myself.
Ya' know. I try to give the A's a break...but can't help seeing in my mind's eye over-n-over that Greta-@-the-kitchen-table-w/-Cindy interview when Greta comments 'bout Cindy seeming to be a normal/reasonable person (can't remember the exact words) and Cindy commenting something like she'd be the first one to say Casey should be held accountable if someone produced evidence that Casey had anything to do with it...
...like I said...I try to give'em a break...but, the way it all has played out just makes that little scene impossible to erase from my mind. In that scene Cindy is very believable, IMHO. Seems very genuine.
OK...I'm off to say 10 Hail Mary's whilst you all get this back on-topic.
JBJ and all:
My understanding of MySpace is that in order to make a comment on someone's page is you must be a "friend" to do so. I don't think KC approved CA to be on her friend's list. Additionally, there is a function that allows that one can approve comments prior to the posting of said comment.
Also, on the topic of Cindy's Caylee-has-been-missing-since-June-6th-post... aside from a typo made from fatigue and stress, we all know Cindy was good and ready to lie in order to up the urgency about "finding Caylee." (Posing as KC in answering messages, etc.) I'll bet she made the typo, saw that is was a mistake, and left it there thinking, "good, then people will be even more concerned and quick to spread the word"...
"It's no wonder that truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense."
- Mark Twain
Admission #1. I know just barely 'nuff 'bout MySpace & Facebook to scrape by...so...I fully expect/deserve/need these on the topic along the way.
That being said... in this instance, consider that the post was made 7/17 @ 5AM...after Lee had taken over control of Casey's MySpace page.
Keeping in mind Admission#1...I thought the prequisite to be a 'friend' in order to leave a message on a MS page was only in the instance when the page has been designated as 'private'. IOW...any MSuser can comment on any MSpage not set to 'private'. If a page hasn't been set to 'private' other MSusers can 'befriend' the page...but it isn't a requirement for leaving a message.
Sorry to turn this into a MS newbie thread for the moment...but please set me straight as necessary.
If you go to early post. I posted 4 myspace pages they had going and it was confusing.
1. Casey's original one that Lee had to get the pw in the jail interview for.
2. Caylee is missing one they created that am before LE took KC to universal.
(might be easier to just search my post because I posted each URL on WS very early on in the case)
What I was trying to say is that, while I believe it was a typo, it was a typo in the sense that she meant "9" and not "16", but typed "6" by accident. The reason I believe that is they did not think the 16th was the correct date until several days later after LE pointed out to them when Father's Day had occurred.
Doesn't really matter tho.
OK...Mom2Chloe gets the award for having enough patience to read all the way to the bottom of the original post that contained the above information.
FWIW...some additional information to consider here [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3773492&postcount=636"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - All Casey Cell Phone LOGS and PINGS Part#3[/ame] showing some charts of the contact pattern 'tween Casey & Cindy per phone records through the period.
A couple of things to note in the charts:
1) The explosion of texts 'tween Casey & Cindy 7/3 (last chart in the post)
2) The two long-duration calls 'tween Casey & Cindy 7/2 8AM (22 min) and 7/4 @ 9:43AM (31min)
Setting the stage...
On Wednesday 7/2 @ 8AM, while @ Ric & Amy's, Casey called Cindy @ home (Cindy off from work) for a 22 minute conversation. Just a short time later ~10AM, IIRC, per computer forensics Casey viewed some of Caylee's pics for the last time and created the file that became "Diary of Days".
Recall on Thursday 7/3 Casey got her tattoo and sent Cindy on the wild goose chase to Universal that afternoon so Casey could get back in the house briefly. That night Lee helped Cindy get her own MySpace page set-up and Cindy posted her lament. Afterwhich Lee was dispatched to go find Casey.
I've long since tossed the records I had of Casey's Facebook messages. So someone will hafta check for me. But if there are no records of Fb messages from Casey after 7/3, then - given the ceasing of the Fb alerts to Casey's phone (7/4 @ 3:08AM) - perhaps Cindy discovered some of Casey's Fb page content 7/3PM...igniting the fuse...and ultimately resulting in Casey deleting her Fb account that night.
As I believe it has already been noted...Casey's Diary of Days wasn't posted to her MySpace page until ~7/7, IIRC. Perhaps it made its debut appearance on Casey's Fb page ~7/2-7/3.
Was the Fb account the source of Cindy discovering some Casey-partying-when-she-shoulda-been-workin' pics?
ETA: Cindy would've likely required Lee's assistance to see any of Casey's Fb content owing to it requiring 'friend' status
From my spreadsheet :
3-Jul-08 12:25 AM Dan Howard (Cincinnati, OH) wrote Casey hey casey....whats good darlin?
3-Jul-08 11:59 AM Dan Howard (Cincinnati, OH) wrote Casey "your first osu game huh....time of your life. thats all i gotta say about that.
what did you get...tattoo wise? and tell tony i said howdy"
3-Jul-08 5:51 PM Dan Howard (Cincinnati, OH) wrote Casey late sunday night. im ready to get back in the swing of things. osu games are awesome. so much energy.
4-Jul-08 2:13 PM Jenna Prentice (Oviedo High) wrote Casey where the heck did you go last night?! it was crazy, my phone is in jamie's car so i guess i'll talk to you later about it all haha. hope you had fun :]
8-Jul-08 9:31 AM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Amy oh puerto rico....has stolen my friends. we shall be reunited shortly!
13-Jul-08 9:34 AM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Chris S. happy birthday love!!!!
15-Jul-08 4:02 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Amy "so glad you're home.
i better not see you online.
life is on hold until tomorrow"
I can't take credit for sleuthing them all. I found them on a document someone had painstakingly researched, assembled, and posted on Docstoc. It just made more sense for me to put them in a spreadsheet.
Guessing she got the tatoo in the AM and then said something in her Facebook status about it. Something BJB doesn't know how to do (update profile status, that is).
ETA, I am not really sure LE would have asked her to keep the MySpace open, when other players in the case have privatized, just noodling....
Perhaps it is worth posting all other Facebook messages post 6/16...
17-Jun-08 3:15 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Amy cheer up me lady! i love you and can't wait to finally get you moved inI highlighted in red some posts that might have raised red flags with Cindy.
19-Jun-08 3:37 PM Derek Key wrote Casey thanks! what have you been up to lately?
19-Jun-08 3:57 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Troy you, ric and dave should definitely come out tomorrow night. i'll give you a buzz later. i haven't see you in ages!
19-Jun-08 9:09 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Troy until 2. i'll be there all night.
19-Jun-08 10:02 PM Troy Brown (Orlando, FL) wrote Casey I wish I could attend, seeing that it's right around the corner from me now but I gotta work tomorrow night. But maybe after work, how late is it going on for?
20-Jun-08 2:36 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Chris S. trying to get back in shape?! how about you come and hang out with me tonight, at Fusian!!!! call me!
20-Jun-08 8:07 PM David Barrows (UF) wrote Casey What's in it for me?
22-Jun-08 1:25 AM John Azzilonna (SUNY Cortland) shared a link Casey "hah youuuu!!!
22-Jun-08 11:58 AM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote John wow. what a night. seriously, i'm never living that one down.
22-Jun-08 7:36 PM John (facebook) Casey fusion was so fun lol...we need to go again for sure!
23-Jun-08 12:40 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Lee "here's my question...
is 'the windy city' an appropriate nickname for chicago? is it really THAT windy?
i've always wondered."
24-Jun-08 2:40 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Troy "she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven't even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i'll fill ya in later on.
miss ya, yo."
24-Jun-08 5:50 PM Troy Brown (Orlando, FL) wrote Casey i leave for a week and i dont know what the hells going on in orlando.
25-Jun-08 3:07 PM Drew Heyman (Orlando, FL) wrote Casey yeah everythings looking good on this side ..we just picked up the flyers which look amazing !! we havent figured out how to get em on facebook yet but once we do ya'll will see em ..how everything lookin on that side ?
26-Jun-08 11:20 AM Stephanie Lazzaro (Suffolk County, NY) wrote Casey "hey! thank youuuu
you should try and make the trip up to NY w/ Anthony!"
26-Jun-08 7:11 PM Vanessa Proskey (Valencia) wrote Casey hey hey, i'll be @ latitudes for my friends birthday then after that i have to go to my boyfriend's grandma's house behind rollins for the last ever party before it is sold this weekend.
27-Jun-08 2:57 PM Ricardo Morales (University of Tampa ) wrote Casey Matt and Susan will be here so we are definitely doing something. Maybe beerlympics, maybe somethin else.
28-Jun-08 1:12 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Cameron """got drunk
threatened to kill someone
28-Jun-08 1:27 PM William Del Valle (Valencia) wrote Casey hey you how's it going? What's good?
28-Jun-08 3:54 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Cameron "Casey Anthony shared a link
28-Jun-08 5:56 PM Ashley Gecosky (Valencia) wrote Casey Thanks girl!!!
28-Jun-08 6:27 PM Cameron Campana (Full Sail University) wrote Casey haha yes!
28-Jun-08 8:15 PM Jamie Lynn (Orlando, FL) wrote Casey Hey girl hey..... so i heard your not open July 4th...? I was all excited to party again... haha.... I think i'm done with the contest I won once, that's all i needed... lol
29-Jun-08 4:25 AM Jon Lorentz (Orlando, FL) wrote Casey No plans actually...
29-Jun-08 4:02 PM Jamie Lynn (Orlando, FL) wrote Casey Thanks girl ya me too!! Definately let me know if you have anything going on for the 4th... I'm sure all of us would like to celebrate with you... If we think of anything we'll let you know... and you too let me know if you come up with any plans...
29-Jun-08 4:16 PM Jamie Lynn (Orlando, FL) wrote Casey BTW We came up with a new nickname for me.... RockStar!!!.... lol i'm sure you get it!
2-Jul-08 8:45 AM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Cameron dude, how's ohio?
2-Jul-08 11:32 AM Jenna Prentice (Oviedo High) wrote Casey alright :] i'm glad i saw you on monday night your so much fun && your my new big sissy <3
2-Jul-08 12:21 PM Cameron Campana (Full Sail University) wrote Casey ohio is awesome!! i dont wanna go back to florida haha
2-Jul-08 1:22 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Cameron aw, well you have to come back
2-Jul-08 1:46 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Troy you taking a cab tonight?
2-Jul-08 3:48 PM Christen Chrissy Johnson (Wayne State University) wrote Casey hi! how r u? it was nice meeting u while I was in orlando, hopefully i will c u again!
2-Jul-08 3:57 PM Christen Chrissy Johnson (Wayne State University) wrote Casey thanks casey! he is a good one isnt he!!! i miss my boo too!!! i will be back in orlando in august!
2-Jul-08 10:53 PM Stephanie Lazzaro (Suffolk County, NY) wrote Casey haha aww don't you worry, he is in good hands lol
His profile was public, but I still needed to be accepted as a friend by him before I could post a comment. Otherwise I would have just posted a comment.( Not into that whole 'BWI has 2833 friends' thing.)
Don't worry, we'll all be "schooled" in all this stuff before long!
No, you must be a "friend" to leave a message even if the page is public on MySpace. (Facebook has a whole different set of rules)
Something to just throw out there is that as mentioned earlier, I think Lee assisted CA in her new MySpace ventures. He was listed as a friend on KC's page and I have a visual of he and momma sitting at the puter and he "schooling" her on the ins and outs of internet social networking. He would have had full access to KC's page to show CA.
OK...so it was really buggin' me so I had to check.
The MySpace messages that we see (e.g. evidence page 2679) are all time stamped 3 hours different than when they appear in Casey's AT&T phone record.
MySpace evidence page 2679 screenshot. Msg from Mr & Mrs Graff @ 12:06PM
AT&T record. Incoming MySpace alert @ 3:06PM
Same is true of every one of them I've checked.
I'll bump the timing of 6/16 messages in a separate post to illustrate what this might mean.
So...if I'm understanding what I'm seeing in the avail MySpace messages in the released docs vs. the AT&T records the above AT&T record would indicate the events were happening in real-time as adjusted below (only the times adjusted):
6/16/08 MON 8:43:12 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Profile Comment
6/16/08 MON 8:52:51 AM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Profile Comment
6/16/08 MON 12:23:30 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace New Messages
6/16/08 MON 12:35:05 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Profile Comment
6/16/08 MON 12:39:59 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Image Comment
6/17/08 TUE 5:23:32 PM INCOMING TEXT MySpace Image Comment
So...why do we care? So what?
Well...we went down this long & winding road to see if it would tell us anything 'bout the potential that Casey could've created a ZFG-poser MySpace page on 6/16. And..IF...she did create this poser-page...did she set-up alerts to her cell phone like she had done on her own MySpace page OR did she send messages from the poser-ZFG page to her own legit MS page. Worth noting that IF all of this were happening then Casey would've had to subsequently delete any messages she sent to/from the poser-ZFG page since we see no evidence of them now.
That's a bunch-o-IF's, eh?!?!
The so-what is...IF (big emphasis on IF) Casey set-up a ZFG-poser MySpace page and IF Casey turned on cell-phone alerts to her cell phone from that page and/or sent messages to her own page from that page, and IF she deleted all evidence of the messages on that site that would've resulted in alerts to her cell phone 6/16...THEN...the site & messages would've been done prior to 12:39PM Eastern time...or...prior to George leaving the house. (exhale)
Long way to go...not a big payoff...but, hey, you can't say we didn't try.
Forgive me if this has been worked out somewhere else, but what do you think KC meant by this:
15-Jul-08 4:02 PM Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote Amy "so glad you're home.
i better not see you online.
life is on hold until tomorrow"
I can figure out the innuendo in not seeing her online (although, ironically Amy did go on line later that night and found out her bank account had been totalled). But what did she mean about life being on hold until tomorrow? Was this just some thing they had planned to do or was it something bigger? I always was mixed about why KC would ask CA for "just one more day", at first thinking it was just to stall, but when I reflected, I thought maybe she was thinking of disappearing for a bit (aka ZG22 perhaps) out of town until it blew over with Amy (and because she now knew the car had been picked up although she probably had no idea CA was sleuthing her location) - another reason she didn't think twice about stealing all of Amy's money - she'd be gone before Amy ever hit her ATM. Is there some consensus as to what she was referring?
Last edited by cecybeans; 06-05-2009 at 02:44 AM. Reason: clarification
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