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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    You are awesome, Cubby!!! You, Christine and I can start the first official groupie fan site for Mr. Kyle, lol.
    Support has definitely been posted directly to BK in case he reads here in other threads, Believe and Cubby. I know in the Dr. Phil show thread, there are many personal posts of support to him. Also, there were before he appeared on the show.

    I get the feeling that anger is being expressed because some of us have wondered why a middle aged adult would not discuss feelings or questions related to a family of his own, and wondered if the attack upon him might have been a hate crime. I do not have any prejudices against gays. I was stating that in some areas of the South, it would not be uncommon to be beaten ( or even perhaps killed) if a same- sex proposition occurred. I have known of it happening. It is tragic and senseless, but it is something we can discuss if we are kind about it. We do not know what BK thinks about his PERSONAL life. Nothing at all. Just impressions related to perhaps a job or a location of a job, and a few childhood memories.
    This tells me that he is repressing the memories about his personal life the most, OR does not want them to be made public, which would possibly hinder his being ID'd.

    Cubby and Believe, I can't speak for anyone else who questioned why he doesn't discuss questions related to an adult personal life, but I can tell you that I meant no disrespect in discussing aspects of possibilities. We come to WS, we discuss. I posted what I posted with sensitivity and respect. I feel that both of you are taking me to task because of my post.
    Am I mis-reading what you both posted, or do you view posts with theories about his lifestyle to be somehow wrong? If so, I will be glad to delete mine.
    I thought I was being sensitive and kind, but if it does not read that way to you, I had rather it not be online at all.

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    I can't speak for Cubs, but free speech supports all kinds of questions, comments etc-in terms of his sexuality I have an opinion based on my experiences speaking with him. Cubby is stating her opinion regarding whether or not she thinks it is relevant-at least that is how I read it. I post as much as I can regarding my conversations with him as I can without breeching his privacy. I won't be asking him if he is gay, but that doesn't mean that it is a wrong question-I just don't think that he is. JMO. And BTW, you guys would be FLOORED at some of the requests strangers have made of this poor man-I think there are all kinds of ways to discover his identity without stripping him bare.

    And I am not saying that any of you are stripping him bare-I will pass along the responses I receive when it is OK with him. But I don't send everything that is asked here-he reads here so he sees pretty much everything that is posted.... As to why anyone would be "angry" regarding what he chooses to discuss or not discuss...what is made public and what is not-well that is a headshaker for me because he does not know who is friend or foe-I mean for real. And he is a dignified private man-who can't be so that he can find out who he is...sigh.



    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    Support has definitely been posted directly to BK in case he reads here in other threads, Believe and Cubby. I know in the Dr. Phil show thread, there are many personal posts of support to him. Also, there were before he appeared on the show.

    I get the feeling that anger is being expressed because some of us have wondered why a middle aged adult would not discuss feelings or questions related to a family of his own, and wondered if the attack upon him might have been a hate crime. I do not have any prejudices against gays. I was stating that in some areas of the South, it would not be uncommon to be beaten ( or even perhaps killed) if a same- sex proposition occurred. I have known of it happening. It is tragic and senseless, but it is something we can discuss if we are kind about it. We do not know what BK thinks about his PERSONAL life. Nothing at all. Just impressions related to perhaps a job or a location of a job, and a few childhood memories.
    This tells me that he is repressing the memories about his personal life the most, OR does not want them to be made public, which would possibly hinder his being ID'd.

    Cubby and Believe, I can't speak for anyone else who questioned why he doesn't discuss questions related to an adult personal life, but I can tell you that I meant no disrespect in discussing aspects of possibilities. We come to WS, we discuss. I posted what I posted with sensitivity and respect. I feel that both of you are taking me to task because of my post.
    Am I mis-reading what you both posted, or do you view posts with theories about his lifestyle to be somehow wrong? If so, I will be glad to delete mine.
    I thought I was being sensitive and kind, but if it does not read that way to you, I had rather it not be online at all.

    Thank you.
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    believe09, i appreciate you and your posts. i agree with your positions. i see that he wants to find out his past, but that doesn't mean that any question should be asked. but please, i am not trying to offend anyone by making that comment, just my comment is all, no judgement passed on anyone. benjaman has already gone a giant step by putting himself under the microscope by going on dr phil's.......that is a very large step on personal privacy.
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    I guess I need to apologize. I was the one who made the initial inquiry, and it was most certainly NOT to offend, but to try and figure out why he was attacked. If we can figure out why he was attacked, maybe we have another clue to go on. I will not discuss this again, and I do apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julessleuther View Post
    I guess I need to apologize. I was the one who made the initial inquiry, and it was most certainly NOT to offend, but to try and figure out why he was attacked. If we can figure out why he was attacked, maybe we have another clue to go on. I will not discuss this again, and I do apologize.
    I honestly do not think you need to apologize (nor do I think anyone was upset at the question.) I think some have differing opinions on the relevance however your question was a very good one and your point was very valid. The thought had crossed my mind, and others I am sure. It may mean something...it may mean nothing....but at this point we have nothing so every theory/possibility/question, etc. is a good one to put out there. There is no shame in being gay and I don't think, given the circumstances, there is any apology necessary for posing the question. Your intent was not to upset anyone...which I am sure we can all realize, as we all are here to do whatever we can to try and help this man. Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julessleuther View Post
    I guess I need to apologize. I was the one who made the initial inquiry, and it was most certainly NOT to offend, but to try and figure out why he was attacked. If we can figure out why he was attacked, maybe we have another clue to go on. I will not discuss this again, and I do apologize.
    Nope-I don't think it requires and apology, JMO. As Voice said there is no shame in being gay-it is a legitimate line of questioning and you just never, ever know what will shake this case open.

    I just wanted you folks to understand my position...no harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingJana View Post
    Support has definitely been posted directly to BK in case he reads here in other threads, Believe and Cubby. I know in the Dr. Phil show thread, there are many personal posts of support to him. Also, there were before he appeared on the show.

    I get the feeling that anger is being expressed because some of us have wondered why a middle aged adult would not discuss feelings or questions related to a family of his own, and wondered if the attack upon him might have been a hate crime. I do not have any prejudices against gays. I was stating that in some areas of the South, it would not be uncommon to be beaten ( or even perhaps killed) if a same- sex proposition occurred. I have known of it happening. It is tragic and senseless, but it is something we can discuss if we are kind about it. We do not know what BK thinks about his PERSONAL life. Nothing at all. Just impressions related to perhaps a job or a location of a job, and a few childhood memories.
    This tells me that he is repressing the memories about his personal life the most, OR does not want them to be made public, which would possibly hinder his being ID'd.

    Cubby and Believe, I can't speak for anyone else who questioned why he doesn't discuss questions related to an adult personal life, but I can tell you that I meant no disrespect in discussing aspects of possibilities. We come to WS, we discuss. I posted what I posted with sensitivity and respect. I feel that both of you are taking me to task because of my post.
    Am I mis-reading what you both posted, or do you view posts with theories about his lifestyle to be somehow wrong? If so, I will be glad to delete mine.
    I thought I was being sensitive and kind, but if it does not read that way to you, I had rather it not be online at all.

    Thank you.
    Maria

    Maria,
    I am sorry my post appeared to you the way it did. Beleive was right, they were my thoughts and opinions of my view only. Anyone is free to ask whatever questions or make any comments they like. I am unsure, honestly, as to how the attack, or reasons for attack might help with his identification, other than to find out where he was- where the attack happened and IF their were any witnesses to the crime.

    I understand his not mentioning possiblities of family, for which he has no memories. I imagine they might be very painful, and if he is unsure I am certain he would not want to lead anyone on a wild goose chase.

    I also would not imagine him even thinking of or contemplating getting involved with anyone now.. Especially with so much uncertainty in his life. So, some interests of his, he may simply not focus on because he has so much else to deal with right now.

    I'm not always very good at expressing myself verbally, or in writing. I'm sorry if my post was misconstrued. It was not meant to be offensive to anyone else's thoughts or idea's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Maria,
    I am sorry my post appeared to you the way it did. Beleive was right, they were my thoughts and opinions of my view only. Anyone is free to ask whatever questions or make any comments they like. I am unsure, honestly, as to how the attack, or reasons for attack might help with his identification, other than to find out where he was- where the attack happened and IF their were any witnesses to the crime.

    I understand his not mentioning possiblities of family, for which he has no memories. I imagine they might be very painful, and if he is unsure I am certain he would not want to lead anyone on a wild goose chase.

    I also would not imagine him even thinking of or contemplating getting involved with anyone now.. Especially with so much uncertainty in his life. So, some interests of his, he may simply not focus on because he has so much else to deal with right now.

    I'm not always very good at expressing myself verbally, or in writing. I'm sorry if my post was misconstrued. It was not meant to be offensive to anyone else's thoughts or idea's.
    You are always awesome and thoughtful, at least IMO Cubby...
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    A possible theory.

    What if BK lost a family member, son, brother etc in a war? The Iraq war was going on in 2004 and you could even consider Desert Storm since it started only 14 yrs before he was found. I wounder if anyone named Benjaman either a last name or first, was killed or MIA? Is there a easy way for a regular citizen to find out this info like a searchable database?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowangel View Post
    My thought was that it was water-related...As I recall, not only is this BK near I-95, it also appears to be near a canal or waterway. Maybe a boating accident? Sunlight reflecting on water could have affected his eyes, and if he were dazed and disoriented he may have undressed himself to get out of his soaked clothing.
    Just tossing some thoughts out there.
    Interesting thought about him undressing himself to get out of wet clothing, I hadn't ever thought of that possibility. I just always assumed someone took his clothing from him and I kept wondering what he could've been wearing that would've been able to identify him. After watching the Dr. Phil episode and hearing Benjaman mention remembering the Catholic church (as a child), my husband wondered if he had been a priest and his clothing could've ID'd him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieSie View Post
    Interesting thought about him undressing himself to get out of wet clothing, I hadn't ever thought of that possibility. I just always assumed someone took his clothing from him and I kept wondering what he could've been wearing that would've been able to identify him. After watching the Dr. Phil episode and hearing Benjaman mention remembering the Catholic church (as a child), my husband wondered if he had been a priest and his clothing could've ID'd him.
    Or a work uniform.
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    I just relocated from Richmond Hill. That Burger King is now closed but prior to that I ate there quite often.

    The Savannah/ Hilton Head Airport is about 20 minutes from the Richmond Hill exit. As earlier stated, Burger King is maybe a quarter of a mile off of I-95.

    Railroad tracks run right behind Burger King. (no more than 100 ft. away probably.) CSX freight trains share this track with Amtrak. There are a few sidings (holding areas for trains) near Richmond Hill. As far-fetched as this sounds, he could have been an Amtrak passenger that was assaulted then thrown from the train while it was in a siding. He could have then stumbled to Burger King where he collapsed behind the dumpster.

    Like I said, farfetched but anything is a possibility at this point.

    I would be more than happy to answer any specific questions re: Richmond Hill and the surrounding areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodbevins View Post
    I just relocated from Richmond Hill. That Burger King is now closed but prior to that I ate there quite often.

    The Savannah/ Hilton Head Airport is about 20 minutes from the Richmond Hill exit. As earlier stated, Burger King is maybe a quarter of a mile off of I-95.

    Railroad tracks run right behind Burger King. (no more than 100 ft. away probably.) CSX freight trains share this track with Amtrak. There are a few sidings (holding areas for trains) near Richmond Hill. As far-fetched as this sounds, he could have been an Amtrak passenger that was assaulted then thrown from the train while it was in a siding. He could have then stumbled to Burger King where he collapsed behind the dumpster.

    Like I said, farfetched but anything is a possibility at this point.

    I would be more than happy to answer any specific questions re: Richmond Hill and the surrounding areas.
    WELCOME to the thread!!!!!!!!!! Let me regroup...then I will pepper you with questions.

    Oh, here is one-

    What was the word on the street about that Burger King? Was it in a tough area of town, were there a lot of transients there, abandoned vehicles and the like???
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    Help me with this thought process...

    Let's say for the sake of argument BK flew into Savannah in 2004...perhaps even from Denver.

    I started to do a little checking and found that in 2004, AirTran was offering some KILLER deals on flights...39.00 one way for example. Well, they didn't seem to fly to and from Denver that I could see.

    But it got me thinking-perhaps BK was using up frequent flyer miles or got a killer deal on a flight and thought he would go somewhere he had never been before....

    One of the hottest restaurant associated leads we had at the beginning of the year was from a woman who was sure she knew him from food trade shows in Orlando. She was in the industry for 15 years and was certain she had a nodding acquaintance with him but did not know him directly. She could not recall if he had a booth or he was attending like everyone else. She remembered seeing him at more than one trade show.

    What if he did travel for business? So let's go backwards and try and figure out how do we figure out what airlines were flying into Savannah from the west during the time he was missing. Then we can either kick it to FBI Bill or approach the airlines directly to check manifests if they still have them available. Did they have someone who did not come back???

    Am I insane or does this seem doable??
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    Thanks for the welcome!

    Burger King was not in a bad part of town at all. Richmond Hill is a fairly affluent area, in the three years that I lived there I never once saw a transient or witnessed any crimes. It (Burger King) is in your typical "restaurant row" right off of the exit. McDonald's, Taco Bell, Wendy's, Arby's, KFC are all grouped in that area. There is also a truckstop right across the highway. VERY busy truckstop, might I add.

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