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    Ping Map and Movements for July 2, 2008 - Discuss that day only

    Ping Map for July 2, 2008 - Discuss that day only


    I have requested this thread because the information of that day's event's are getting scattered throuout the pings thread and is making it difficult to keep up with the informaion

    Warning - Please discuss that days events only here.

    Ping Map for July 2, 2008


    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...e351ab93d5d96f
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    Wow...that ping 2 in the very very early morning is interesting.

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    From the Calendar

    From the Calendar

    Casey driving Tony's Jeep (AL interview)
    Casey at Amy's

    *The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
    Casey spends this time sleeping at Amy's, without Caylee. (AH interview, pg. 20, lines 13-22). She mentions this date corrects the date she gave in her first affidavit. *Note* Times are mine.
    Cindy on Vacation
    Cindy takes the entire week off work.
    Amy H. Says: Her & Casey went to Voyage, Makos and back to Voyage and then home

    *The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
    July 2 Amy and Casey go to a couple of clubs. Went to Voyage then to Macos and back to Voyage and then home. [Club Voyage 17 West Pine Street Orlando Fl, Makos 23 W Church St Orlando, FL 32801]
    Page 1047 Lines 11 & Lines 3-5 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf
    Casey washes clothes at Ricardo's/Amy's

    *The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
    Ricardo wakes (in the am) to find Casey washing clothes (he does not see what she is washing, she comes up from basement and reports that she is washing clothes). (Ricardo interview pg 20 line 23) He later catches a flight to Boston.
    KC and AH Text Messages 7/2/08

    07-02-2008
    *The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
    First initials are who received the text message; second initials are who sent the text message

    KC AH Still gasy.

    AH KC 07/02 6:50 PM Not good. Still hungry. I’m going to eat soon.

    AH KC 07/02 9:51 PM How’s the close looking?

    KC AH Should be done a little after 11.

    AH KC 07/02 10:15 PM Alright cool. I’ll kill time until then.

    KC AH If you just want to come here at 1115 we can go to the boys and get me ready.

    AH KC 07/02 10:17 PM Sounds like a plan love.

    *As organized by QuietStorm from AH's incoming and outgoing text message dump released to the public as discovery evidence
    *AH's outgoing messages are undated in the discovery document so there is a slight margin of sorting error; however, the messages nearly always follow a chronological order

    Troy B. Says: Ricardo took a flight to Boston that night


    *The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
    July 2 Melissa E. flew in Tuesday night [Tuesday is actually the July 1] Troy B. was actually dropping Ricardo M. off at the airport to go to Boston and they went out that night to Voyage then Maco’s and the Voyage. Casey met Melissa E. at [Club Voyage 17 West Pine Street Orlando Fl, Makos 23 W Church St Orlando, FL 32801]
    Page 1327 Line 16-& Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/tb092308.pdf
    Amy H. Says: This is day Casey stole the 400.00 from her

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    July 2 Amy say is the day Casey stole the $400.00 from her.
    Page 1057 Lines 12, 17-24 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf
    Amy and Casey party

    *The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
    July 2 Amy and Casey go to a couple of clubs. Went to Voyage then to Macos and back to Voyage and then home. [Club Voyage 17 West Pine Street Orlando Fl, Makos 23 W Church St Orlando, FL 32801]
    Page 1047 Lines 11 & Lines 3-5 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
    Troy B. Says: Casey went to Voyage, Makos & back to Voyage, met Melissa 1st time

    07-02-2008
    *The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
    July 2 Melissa E. flew in Tuesday night [Tuesday is actually the July 1] Troy B. was actually dropping Ricardo M. off at the airport to go to Boston and they went out that night to Voyage then Maco’s and the Voyage. Casey met Melissa E. at [Club Voyage 17 West Pine Street Orlando Fl, Makos 23 W Church St Orlando, FL 32801]
    Page 1327 Line 16-& Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/tb092308.pdf
    Amy thinks this is the night 400 dollars stolen

    *The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
    July 2 Amy say is the day Casey stole the $400.00 from her.
    Page 1057 Lines 12, 17-24 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
    Diary of Days

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    Casey creates file "Diary of Days" at 10:51am (page 9 of computer forensics)
    Casey's Online Presence

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    Casey wrote to Troy:

    Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
    at 1:46pm on July 2nd, 2008
    you taking a cab tonight?


    Tony's sister's facebook wall:
    Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
    at 1:01am on July 2nd, 2008
    take care of your brother. it's sad...but i can't wait for him to come back home.


    Casey Anthony wrote to Cameron
    at 1:22pm on July 2nd, 2008
    aw, well you have to come back


    Casey Anthony wrote to Cameron
    at 8:45am on July 2nd, 2008
    dude, how's ohio?
    KC's Receipts (Provided by LA)

    *The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
    July 2:

    Ross AWL @8:06 pm cash $37.23

    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/la092308.pdf
    Ricardo M. Says: Left for Boston, at airport 4:00PM

    07-02-2008
    *The times shown may change, depending on DST settings
    July 2 Ricardo left for Boston on a delay flight at 7:30PM was at the airport at 4:00PM
    Page 1300 Lines 17-24 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf
    Casey driving TonE's jeep 30 june~5 July: per Amy

    This event occurs every 1 day(s)
    06-30-2008 to 07-05-2008
    12:00 AM to 12:00 AM
    June 30-July 5 Amy said Casey was driving Tony’s jeep
    Page 1044 Lines 24-25 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
    Amy H. Says: Casey had Tony's jeep

    This event occurs every 1 day(s)
    06-30-2008 to 07-05-2008
    09:30 AM to 09:30 AM
    June 30-July 5 Amy said Casey was driving Tony’s jeep
    Page 1044 Lines 24-25 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf

    Tony L. Says: He was in New York

    This event occurs every 1 day(s)
    06-30-2008 to 07-05-2008
    11:00 AM to 11:00 AM
    June 30-July 5th Tony L. was in NY. Flight departed mid-morning on the June 30th and arrived on July 5th before it was dark no time given
    Page 1016- 1017 Tony L Interview with LE on 7/22/2008
    http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
    Sean D saw Casey in tattoo shop, later she met Lake Vaj friends at WW to chill

    07-02-2008 12:00 PM to 11:00 PM
    per Sean D interview, Casey came into tattoo shop in (morning?) while he was getting a tattoo, she was going to make an appointment. Sean says she then met with him and friends at Wild Wings later to chill.
    Ricardo in Boston

    Ricardo spends time in Boston (RM interview, p. 21, line 17 through p. 22, line 7)

    Amy H. Says: Casey spent every night with her 6/30-7/4

    This event occurs every 1 day(s)
    06-30-2008 to 07-04-2008
    11:00 PM to 11:00 PM
    June 30-July 4 Amy thinks Casey spent every single night with her [232 N Glenwood Ave Orlando, FL 32803]
    Page 1045 Lines 13-17 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf
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    So on the morning of July 2 she takes Tony's jeep out in what she would consider the middle of the night (before 5 am) (ping 2), then comes back and washes clothes, then writes Diary of Days, then makes a tattoo appointment for the next day (pings before 7 pm)? This may be a more important day than I thought.....

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    I think Caylee was placed in the trunk either right at death and stayed there for 2.6 days, removed and placed in a sealed container and then in that container put back in the trunk. Or was hidden somewhere, placed in the trunk at the time of 2.6 days of decomp, transported to the A's and placed into a sealed container and then disposed of at a later date. I also think she was moved more than once. I also think that a chlorine bucket would seal tight enough to keep the odor of a dead body contained. They smell like chlorine but I think that may be because it is a caustic chemical. A body is not caustic like chlorine and would not leach out through the plastic like chlorine does, at least not in a relativity short period of time. There is also the possibility of an ice chest. They are made of heavy plastic and the newer ones have lock down lids.

    Something caused Casey to have night swears starting at least by July 5 as per Tony. They may have started right after he left on June 30th but she was not having then prior to him leaving on June 30th.
    What caused them to start? I would think that had she already disposed of poor Caylee right after the 2.6 days then there would not be the 2 or more week delay in the night sweating sleeping problems.
    I think that Casey ended up having to handle her dead body or at least see what it looked like many days after the 2.6 time frame time, close to June 30th maybe a few days before; long enough to have it affect her mind during her sleep.

    I just cannot pinpoint what day was the day she finally disposed of her body or where. Casey actions with her cell phone point to a couple of different days and several different locations that are outside her normal travel. I will hazard to say between June 24 and July 3 as the final disposal. Prior to that I am having trouble with Casey riding around with a dead body in the trunk, in a container or not, but I am not sure where she would be hidden otherwise. Casey was not a planner and obviously felt that everyone believed whatever she told anyone but ….I just thought of something….. Did Casey have Caylee hidden in Ricardo’s garage inside of some container?

    Casey came walking up from the garage Casey said she had been washing clothes.
    Page 1300 Lines 9-12 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf

    I went back and re-read this part Ricardo leaves for work about 10:35 or 10:40 and he noticed Casey was not on the couch but he saw her coming from the garage so that is how he knew she had stayed over night July 1 for him to see her the morning of July 2.

    7/2/08 WED 1:42 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 4:01 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 9286 Casey A. 0.7 Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 4:48 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 22: 1.5 mi NW of Anthony Home
    7/2/08 WED 4:48 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 22: 1.5 mi NW of Anthony Home
    7/2/08 WED 4:50 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 8191 Ryan P. No Long/Lat Association
    7/2/08 WED 4:50 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 8191 Ryan P. 1.0 Tower 22: 1.5 mi NW of Anthony Home
    7/2/08 WED 7:44 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 7:44 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 7:46 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 7:47 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 7:49 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 7:50 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 3633 Christopher ? Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 8:01 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 4909 Anthony Home 22.3 Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 9:01 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 8750 Ricardo M. Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 9:16 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 8750 Ricardo M. Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 9:53 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 10:29 AM OUTGOING CALL 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) 0.7 Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House
    7/2/08 WED 11:11 AM OUTGOING TEXT 9286 Casey A. 5443 Tony L. (Cell) Tower 37: 1 block E of AH and RM House

    Casey checks her voice mail at 4:01AM off of tower 37, Amy & Ricardo’s and goes to the vicinity of tower 22, the A’s and then makes a text to Tony at 4:48AM off of tower 22, then the last one to Ryan P. at 4:50AM off tower 37 and then no activity again until 7:44AM back at tower 37, Amy & Ricardo’s so that means that she was up and out and somewhere in the area of the Anthony home for at least 45 minuets if not longer. Ricardo is correct about seeing Casey at his place before going to work since she made a phone call at 10:29AM to Tony. This time coincides with the time he would be going out to get in his car for work. Casey’s phone activity is so strange even for her from June 30th through the early evening of July 4th.



    I keep trying to reconcile the dog hits in the back yard with the shovel with the race to the car trunk with George to the cell pings and the dumping the car on June 27 and still wanting a gas can on June 30th from Amy.

    There is something about this night that is important. She is also back down by the mall in the early evening, then all the way up toward the A's then back to the Fusion area and end up back at Amy and Ricardo's. She even texted Amy to find out when
    Amy was going to be leaving work.. She did not want to be alone?

    So if she was not at the A's and Lee has never said she was at his place in the middle of the night on July 2 then where was she for those 45 minuets pinging off of tower 22.

    Does anyone have any idea the ping radius distance is off of that tower and how to find the direction based on those handy dandy CID numbers that make no sense to me. I want to find out what is in that radius and then I would love to figure out how far she could get if she turned her phone off and went somewhere that we have not even thought of. Take the time from about 5AM to 7:45Am and divide in half. How far out could she have gone and then gotten back?

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    An intriguing day. Here are some cell pings that have piqued my interest:

    12:14:11 PM Ricardo's
    12:22:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
    12:32:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
    12:43:00 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
    1:05:06 PM Ricardo's

    The pings from the "Area consistent with Baez Orlando office" are rare even though Baez's Orlando office is just 1.5 miles from Ricardo's. Other than a brief ping the afternoon of July 15, these are the only pings consistent with that location (during business hours).

    So if KC met with Baez on the 2nd ... why.

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    Exclamation Casey's July 2, 4:45 AM visit to Hopespring / Suburban

    I wanted to open a thread to drill down on the observations many have made in the past regarding the odd trip KC took to her parent's neighborhood in the wee hours of July 2. Most recently Bond and AZlawyer have revisited this event and helped crystallize it by putting it in perspective with other things happening around that time.

    Sleuth away!

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    Quoting from the sources:

    Quote Originally Posted by BondJamesBond View Post
    AZ: Some things I'd appreciate your thoughts on if it isn't too far OT for this thread. May need to take up on the ping threads. Maybe these are related.

    1) Something happened @ 12:13AM on Wed. 7/2. Home phone flurry-called Casey 7 times in 18 mins. All went to vmail.

    2) I may have an error, but I'm showing a few mins after Casey talked to Tony (in NY) she ckd her vmail, then @ 4:48AM pinged near G&C's where she placed 2 calls to Ryan, then received the return call from Ryan. Casey talked to Ryan for 14 mins from this location before the call ends and she apparently showed up again back @ Amy's. I'd really like to hear back from you or JWG on this 'cause IF this isn't an error... you know what I'm thinking.

    3) Casey INITIATED a call and talked to Cindy (i assume) for a 22 min call Wed. 7/2 @ 8:01A. The next thing Casey did was call Ryan for a short convo or msg.

    Cindy's landmark call to Ryan @ 9:55AM on Thu 7/3 appears amidst Cindy's failed attempts to reach Casey (except for a single text).

    Methinks Casey's 14 min convo with Ryan was probably quite remarkable, and Casey may have made a general passing reference to it to Cindy in their 22 min convo (e.g. "I'm stressed, I talked to Ryan and it helped a little...poor me)". So, when Cindy's Groundhog Day started again on 7/3 she recalled Casey's comment and got out the address book to call Ryan...then...allhell broke loose

    Waiting intently on your reply...esp. re: ping location confirmation.

    Quote Originally Posted by AZlawyer View Post
    Yes, you are completely right about Casey's 4-5 AM trip to the area of the A house in the early morning of July 2 (in Tony's Jeep, presumably), following the insane midnight flurry of calls to her from the house phone. This (July 2) is also the morning that Ricardo said he saw Casey come in from his garage, saying she was washing clothes. After that, she wrote or copy-pasted from somewhere (but didn't post on MySpace yet) the Diary of Days poem, and later went to the tattoo place to make her appointment for the next day.

    IMHO, whatever Casey did from 4-5 AM on July 2 convinced her that she had solved her problem, hence the Diary of Days and tattoo appointment. And whatever she did was triggered by the midnight messages left by her parents. And whatever she did was probably also connected with the phone calls with Ryan.

    Maybe this is connected too: A few hours before the midnight flurry of calls to Casey from the house, she pinged around the Anthony home from 7:00-7:20 pm (again, presumably using Tony's Jeep), CALLED RYAN, then drove south toward nowhere important, then was back near the house 7:40 pm-7:50 pm, THEN GOT A CALL FROM THE HOUSE, then pinged near the airport, then back at the house from about 8:10-8:45 pm. I could never figure out why she went down there (repeatedly) when she should have known Cindy was home. Also, although she wouldn't have known this perhaps, this was George's first day "between jobs," so BOTH of her parents would have been home. But maybe if she was just going somewhere NEAR the house (like Suburban Drive), and was in a different car, she figured it would be OK. Maybe one of her parents saw her??

    WTF??
    AZ's "WTF??" is priceless, isn't it?

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    Writing fro iPhone so this will be brief.
    It's safe to say she was not there to dispose of Caylee at such a late date. I can't imagine she would risk going there for any reason of dumping something else unless it is to add false evidence like has been surmised. She was so sloppy I can't imagine she suddenly realized there was something left that would incrimnate since she left behind the Disney bag and other things from the house.
    So what would she plant that has not shown up in doc dumps yet is the 64000 question?

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    I moved the whole day's information down to this forum for awhile.


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    Hey JBean, the reason I started the unique thread was because I think that trip is better understood in the context of June 1 and June 3, not just June 2. In fact, I was working on an updated timeline that crossed those days. Is it possible to restore that thread for a while to see where it goes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWG View Post
    An intriguing day. Here are some cell pings that have piqued my interest:

    12:14:11 PM Ricardo's
    12:22:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
    12:32:33 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
    12:43:00 PM Area consistent with Baez Orlando office
    1:05:06 PM Ricardo's

    The pings from the "Area consistent with Baez Orlando office" are rare even though Baez's Orlando office is just 1.5 miles from Ricardo's. Other than a brief ping the afternoon of July 15, these are the only pings consistent with that location (during business hours).

    So if KC met with Baez on the 2nd ... why.
    JWG - Did you ever figure out if she really did go to Baez's office that day, or just somewhere that was in the general area?

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    Biaz office area pings

    Quote Originally Posted by TallyHo View Post
    JWG - Did you ever figure out if she really did go to Baez's office that day, or just somewhere that was in the general area?
    I know atty RH intimated he thought it hinky how fast JB was on the case. He wrote in depth about it in his blog.
    But what would Casey have said to some attorney
    Ummm, I might be getting in trouble soon? You wouldn't tell even an attorney, my daughter has been kidnapped, I haven't told anyone yet, but in case I get arrested I think we need to talk? And she certainly wouldn't have said she murdered and disposed of her daughter prior to even the folks knowing she is missing.
    Doesn't make sense.

    ps. don't forget this is 10 minute KC, no planning needed
    Last edited by Imbackon; 03-12-2010 at 02:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZlawyer View Post
    So on the morning of July 2 she takes Tony's jeep out in what she would consider the middle of the night (before 5 am) (ping 2), then comes back and washes clothes, then writes Diary of Days, then makes a tattoo appointment for the next day (pings before 7 pm)? This may be a more important day than I thought.....
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow of my mind View Post
    There is something about this night that is important. She is also back down by the mall in the early evening, then all the way up toward the A's then back to the Fusion area and end up back at Amy and Ricardo's. She even texted Amy to find out when
    Amy was going to be leaving work.. She did not want to be alone?

    So if she was not at the A's and Lee has never said she was at his place in the middle of the night on July 2 then where was she for those 45 minuets pinging off of tower 22.

    Does anyone have any idea the ping radius distance is off of that tower and how to find the direction based on those handy dandy CID numbers that make no sense to me. I want to find out what is in that radius and then I would love to figure out how far she could get if she turned her phone off and went somewhere that we have not even thought of. Take the time from about 5AM to 7:45Am and divide in half. How far out could she have gone and then gotten back?
    *snipped*

    AZ & Shadow...you guys had this nailed back in Oct/Nov '08

    I'm in the process of creating a custom ping map image that I'll post to illustrate what we're discussing.

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    Exclamation Returning to the Scene of the Disposal 7/2 - illustrated



    The area shaded in red in the illustration above shows the area pinged @ 4:50AM 7/2 when Casey talked w/ Ryan. The illustration is a little simplified since I only extended the radius 1.5 miles away from the cell towers and the coverage can extend well beyond that range. I also didn't show the tower that is located south of G&C's for simplicity. Need to stress that this isn't conclusive...IOW, Casey could've been anywhere in the shaded area or even slightly beyond it in the same direction as shown...to a limit where other towers would be more likely to pick up & carry her calls.

    One observation worth noting is that the disposal site (and Lee's house, and Brackenwood house) are slightly closer to the tower that carried the 4:50AM calls than the tower to the east shown with blue radii. This supports Casey being in the area of Lee's, Brackenwood, and G&C's houses somewhat since had she been closer to the 'blue' tower, it would've been more likely to carry the calls.

    I also used Google to check the travel time per Shadow's thinking above. Depending on the route taken, the time to drive from Ricardo & Amy's Glenwood apt. to the Suburban Dr. disposal site ranges between 19-25 minutes. So, with the pings between the two locations being 46 minutes apart (4:02AM last ping @ R&M's & 4:48AM first ping in the sector shown), there was ample time to make the trip.

    In context, IMHO, it is highly, highly likely Casey returned to the disposal site 7/2 sometime after 4:30AM.

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