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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sisterhood View Post
    I agree--- but I do have to say , as much as I believe (most times) Caylee is no longer with us--

    I still, to this day--wonder somewhere in the back of my brain " what if? "

    ...and while I had one of those moments the other nite-It dawned on me..."That is what reasonable doubt" IS.....

    so ---I agree--there is certainly some method to all the maddness....JMHO!

    I don't agree. A "what if" is not reasonable doubt. There has to be some evidence or discrepancy in the testimony to support that doubt. It is not reasonable to think that someone stored a dead body, totally unrelated to this case, in the trunk of a car belonging to the mother of a missing child during the time that the car was in the tow yard. There is, as far as we know, no DNA evidence showing that another body was in the trunk.

    IF there was testimony showing that one of the workers at the tow yard killed someone and that the body was missing for a certain period of time while Casey's car was in the lot, that might constitute reasonable doubt.


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    I have a question for a legal eagle aboard here. Thursday is Casey's arraignment. It mentions in the article that witnesses will be taking the stand.

    Could they be questioned at the arraignment vs. through deposition?

    TIA


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaMoon View Post
    I have a question for a legal eagle aboard here. Thursday is Casey's arraignment. It mentions in the article that witnesses will be taking the stand.

    Could they be questioned at the arraignment vs. through deposition?

    I think the wording of "take the stand" was poorly chosen. During a deposition you are under the rules of the court even though you are not in the courtroom in front of a judge. Your deposition is an official statement and subject to the rules of the court just as your testimony during the trial would/will be.

    TIA
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    After the arrest, booking, and initial bail phases of the criminal process, the first stage of courtroom-based proceedings takes place -- arraignment. During a typical arraignment, a person charged with a crime is called before a criminal court judge, who:


    Reads the criminal charge(s) against the person (now called the "defendant");


    Asks the defendant if he or she has an attorney, or needs the assistance of a court-appointed attorney;


    Asks the defendant how he or she answers, or "pleads to", the criminal charges -- "guilty," "not guilty," or "no contest";


    Decides whether to alter the bail amount or to release the defendant on his or her own recognizance (Note: These matters are usually revisited even if addressed in prior proceedings); and


    Announces dates of future proceedings in the case, such as the preliminary hearing, pre-trial motions, and trial.

    Also at the preliminary hearing, the prosecutor will give the defendant and his or her attorney copies of police reports and any other documents relevant to the case. For example, in a DUI/DWI or drug possession case, the prosecutor may provide the defense with lab reports of any blood or chemical tests that were performed, and may be used in the case.

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    If a criminal defendant faces the possibility of jail time if convicted for the crime(s) charged, the defendant has a constitutional right to the assistance of an attorney, or "counsel." If the defendant wishes to be represented by an attorney but cannot afford to hire one, a government-appointed attorney will be assigned at no cost to the defendant. Usually employed as "public defenders", these government-appointed defense attorneys are responsible for zealously protecting a criminal defendant's rights at all stages of the criminal process. To learn more about the right to counsel, go here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaMoon View Post
    I have a question for a legal eagle aboard here. Thursday is Casey's arraignment. It mentions in the article that witnesses will be taking the stand.

    Could they be questioned at the arraignment vs. through deposition?

    TIA
    I've never heard of witnesses testifying at an arraignment.


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    "My client suffers from some severe psychological issues"


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    can the witnesses answer baez one way and then at trial give a different answer? I have seen that happen on law and order but usually they give the district attorney a diffent answer then what they told them before.


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    Oh and another thing, they should ask why cindy called 911 and reported the car stolen when she actually had it...they picked it up from the tow yard. Maybe that was the "first" plan, to plant a seed that someone stole the car, hence it was towed and there was a terrible stink in the car. Then they found out from casey that she knew about the smell and was last seen with the car at amscot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilly Willy View Post
    I don't agree. A "what if" is not reasonable doubt. There has to be some evidence or discrepancy in the testimony to support that doubt. It is not reasonable to think that someone stored a dead body, totally unrelated to this case, in the trunk of a car belonging to the mother of a missing child during the time that the car was in the tow yard. There is, as far as we know, no DNA evidence showing that another body was in the trunk.

    IF there was testimony showing that one of the workers at the tow yard killed someone and that the body was missing for a certain period of time while Casey's car was in the lot, that might constitute reasonable doubt.
    Just playing devil's advocate here, what proves that Casey was THE ONE that put Caylee's dead body in the trunk? Is it just her behavior that makes her guilty? Is behavior enough to convict?


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    Man, I would be MAD if I had to hire an attorney to go to a deposition. Surely the DA's office will provide counsel for the prosecution witnesses. I can see a lot of holes coming into this case with so many young people as witnesses if they have to all hire private counsel. They might say one thing in deposition and another in open court and subject themselves to perjury or contempt charges. grrrrrrr this just infuriates me!! How can a girl sit there and watch her friends and family suffer through this?

    There is clearly one person to blame for this.......and as the detective said "this needs to stop".
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamerlin View Post
    Just playing devil's advocate here, what proves that Casey was THE ONE that put Caylee's dead body in the trunk? Is it just her behavior that makes her guilty? Is behavior enough to convict?
    Just my thoughts, not based on any legal knowledge whatsoever --

    The prosecution doesn't have to PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that Casey put Caylee's body in the trunk, they merely have to present evidence that would lead a reasonable person to believe she is the one who did it.

    Some of that evidence (I'm sure there's more):

    Casey left the Anthony home with Caylee on the afternoon of June 16th. When she arrived at Tony's apartment a few hours later, Caylee was not with her and was never seen again. There is no evidence that Casey's car was in the possession of any other person during that time or that Casey left Caylee with another person.

    Casey would not allow George to look in the trunk of the car for the wheel chucks.

    If someone else put the body in the car, who removed it?

    Casey's conflicting stories about the cause of the odor in the car show that she had knowledge of the body being in the trunk.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shelbar53 View Post
    Oh and another thing, they should ask why cindy called 911 and reported the car stolen when she actually had it...they picked it up from the tow yard. Maybe that was the "first" plan, to plant a seed that someone stole the car, hence it was towed and there was a terrible stink in the car. Then they found out from casey that she knew about the smell and was last seen with the car at amscot.
    Didn't CA say she needed her daughter arrested for stealing the car? I think she was pizzed that KC did whatever and ended up with the car being towed. She was also mad that KC wasn't letting her see Caylee and was trying to call KCs bluff by calling 911.
    There is ABSOLUTELY something not right about all this! It has sent up red flags since day one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilly Willy View Post
    Just my thoughts, not based on any legal knowledge whatsoever --

    The prosecution doesn't have to PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that Casey put Caylee's body in the trunk, they merely have to prevent evidence that would lead a reasonable person to believe she is the one who did it.

    Some of that evidence (I'm sure there's more):

    Casey left the Anthony home with Caylee on the afternoon of June 16th. When she arrived at Tony's apartment a few hours later, Caylee was not with her and was never seen again. There is no evidence that Casey's car was in the possession of any other person during that time or that Casey left Caylee with another person.

    Casey would not allow George to look in the trunk of the car for the wheel chucks.

    If someone else put the body in the car, who removed it?

    Casey's conflicting stories about the cause of the odor in the car show that she had knowledge of the body being in the trunk.

    Yeah, I can buy that. And actually I do. It's the 31 days for reasonable doubt that worries me. Wonder what story the defense will come up with culminating in the fact that Casey didn't have possession of the car for that short period of time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamerlin View Post
    Just playing devil's advocate here, what proves that Casey was THE ONE that put Caylee's dead body in the trunk? Is it just her behavior that makes her guilty? Is behavior enough to convict?
    Is KC's behavior the least credible out of all the characters in this case?

    If the answer is YES, there's your answer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Baznme View Post
    Is KC's behavior the least credible out of all the characters in this case?

    If the answer is YES, there's your answer.

    Great answer!


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    LOL Like to see them say Casey didn't put Caylee in the trunk, shoot she wouldn't let anyone NEAR the trunk!!


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