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    Casey seeing clergy in jail

    As reported on Nancy Grace...

    Here's what the Florida Statutes say:

    90.505 Privilege with respect to communications to clergy.--

    (1) For the purposes of this section:

    (a) A "member of the clergy" is a priest, rabbi, practitioner of Christian Science, or minister of any religious organization or denomination usually referred to as a church, or an individual reasonably believed so to be by the person consulting him or her.

    (b) A communication between a member of the clergy and a person is "confidential" if made privately for the purpose of seeking spiritual counsel and advice from the member of the clergy in the usual course of his or her practice or discipline and not intended for further disclosure except to other persons present in furtherance of the communication.

    (2) A person has a privilege to refuse to disclose, and to prevent another from disclosing, a confidential communication by the person to a member of the clergy in his or her capacity as spiritual adviser.

    (3) The privilege may be claimed by:

    (a) The person.

    (b) The guardian or conservator of a person.

    (c) The personal representative of a deceased person.

    (d) The member of the clergy, on behalf of the person. The member of the clergy's authority to do so is presumed in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

    History.--s. 1, ch. 76-237; s. 1, ch. 77-77; s. 1, ch. 77-174; ss. 11, 22, ch. 78-361; ss. 1, 2, ch. 78-379; s. 477, ch. 95-147.

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    Bolding is mine

    Quote Originally Posted by Theonly1 View Post
    As reported on Nancy Grace...

    Here's what the Florida Statutes say:

    90.505 Privilege with respect to communications to clergy.--

    (1) For the purposes of this section:

    (a) A "member of the clergy" is a priest, rabbi, practitioner of Christian Science, or minister of any religious organization or denomination usually referred to as a church, or an individual reasonably believed so to be by the person consulting him or her.

    (b) A communication between a member of the clergy and a person is "confidential" if made privately for the purpose of seeking spiritual counsel and advice from the member of the clergy in the usual course of his or her practice or discipline and not intended for further disclosure except to other persons present in furtherance of the communication.

    (2) A person has a privilege to refuse to disclose, and to prevent another from disclosing, a confidential communication by the person to a member of the clergy in his or her capacity as spiritual adviser.

    (3) The privilege may be claimed by:

    (a) The person.

    (b) The guardian or conservator of a person.

    (c) The personal representative of a deceased person.

    (d) The member of the clergy, on behalf of the person. The member of the clergy's authority to do so is presumed in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

    History.--s. 1, ch. 76-237; s. 1, ch. 77-77; s. 1, ch. 77-174; ss. 11, 22, ch. 78-361; ss. 1, 2, ch. 78-379; s. 477, ch. 95-147.
    Bolding by me to note that a clergy is not there to pass messages. If so, this would waive the privilege! I mention this because LP alluded on Nancy Grace that Casey could use the clergy to pass messages to her parents. In my opinion using the clergy in this manner would void the privilege.

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    Yes, and as I recall, whomever the messages might be passed to (e.g., parents, family etc.) could then be subpoenaed (sp?) and must divulge the message under oath.

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    Do we know if she requested this visit? any way to know this???/

    Also, you can call people to testify under oath...but can you really make them tell the truth? contempt of court I guess I am looking for here.
    Here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theonly1 View Post
    Bolding by me to note that a clergy is not there to pass messages. If so, this would waive the privilege! I mention this because LP alluded on Nancy Grace that Casey could use the clergy to pass messages to her parents. In my opinion using the clergy in this manner would void the privilege.
    Verbal or written messages?
    Just thinking....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nana46 View Post
    Do we know if she requested this visit? any way to know this???/

    Also, you can call people to testify under oath...but can you really make them tell the truth? contempt of court I guess I am looking for here.
    IIRC, she can't request a visit, but she can approve or deny when someone requests a visit with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nana46 View Post
    Do we know if she requested this visit? any way to know this???/

    Also, you can call people to testify under oath...but can you really make them tell the truth? contempt of court I guess I am looking for here.
    It's true you can't make them but it is a serious offense to lie under oath.

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    Maybe he will put the fear of God in her....highly unlikley though...she is pure evil.

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    If Casey is turning to Jesus, then I need to go hunt down this article I read by a profiler that predicted this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nana46 View Post
    Do we know if she requested this visit? any way to know this???/
    If it was requested, it probably would have been arranged via a phone call. In the past, most of these were public-- but I haven't heard recordings lately, not sure if Anthonys succeeded in getting an injunction on releasing calls to the media.

    I recall one of the profilers saying early on that Casey would turn to religion before she "broke down". Not that I'm hopeful of this, but if this was at her request-- I suppose it's a remote possiblity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nana46 View Post
    Also, you can call people to testify under oath...but can you really make them tell the truth? contempt of court I guess I am looking for here.
    Do you expect clergy to lie? Or martyr themselves by spending time in jail on a contempt charge? I guess it would depend on the clergy member.


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    I'd expect anything at this point....as time goes on its very hard to be shocked at anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedavis View Post
    If Casey is turning to Jesus, then I need to go hunt down this article I read by a profiler that predicted this!
    I remember that too! There are steps to guilt, and that was one of the last ones. (turning to religion)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Short_Stuff View Post
    I remember that too! There are steps to guilt, and that was one of the last ones. (turning to religion)
    What are the other steps of guilt? If turning to religon is the last one, what has KC done before this that is one of those steps?

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    maybe they are using clergy to pass messages because cleargy doesnt charge for thier time and Jose charges hundreds and hour.

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    I WONDER....and I think they said he does the Sun. prayer vigils....
    He is a Baptist, black Rev., who prays really loud and long...
    for the safe return of Caylee to her G'parents and Momma.

    Dave Lohr ? from the Discovery website recorded one of these when he was
    in Fl. for the last search.(It is on the Disccovery site). This was AFTER the initial reporting to the public from Sheriff Beary which concluded this baby was not among the living.

    Is it optimism from the Rev., denial, saying what Cindy WANTS to hear, or stupidity ?

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