772 users online (108 members and 664 guests)  


Websleuths News


Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 1 2
Results 16 to 21 of 21
  1. #16
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    9,339
    Some other questions :

    1. Where in Italy did the parents come from ? How long had they been in WV,and the U.S. ? I heard stories growing up about "bad blood " feuds among family clans in Italy..and often those type of feuds would continue after people came to the U.S. Not the same as a vendetta, but just as damaging...MOO

    2. Were any of the children who disappeared bi-lingual in Italian ?

    3. Christmas Eve is the most important night of the year in most Italian/American families.Families spend the whole evening together... I just cannot fathom them leaving any of the children alone downstairs on that night,of all nights ?? MOO

    4. I have never heard of the "mafia" taking a group of kids and repatriating them to Italy... I say look at extended family in this situation. MOO

  2. #17
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    84
    You know what it sounds like to me? They knew danger was coming and they were working on getting everyone out, but they were too late.

    Ex. and this is PURE speculation. The parents know there is a threat coming. They have made arrangements on Christmas Eve with other family to get half of the kids into a safe house, figuring that if they do it a little at a time there won't be as much suspicion from the people who are after them as if they all disappear at once. So mom and dad talk to the two older children who are missing, telling them that Aunt and Uncle so and so will be coming to get you guys at 11 tonight, stay up, stay with these three little ones - you are in charge of them until we are reunited, etc. So those 5 are safely gotten away (she wakes up and lights are on, door unlocked, etc. - she is not worried but instead is relieved because she knows the plan has been executed for these 5 children.)

    BUT - then the danger they knew was coming happens later that night instead of the next night or whatever they had expected. Maybe the people threatening them heard about the 5 kids escaping and stepped up the plan so that the others would perish.

    Who knows what the plan was to later meet up with the other 5 kids. Maybe whoever took them was too scared for their safety to ever give them back. Maybe they were found later and killed after all. Hard to say. It is definitely strange that contact was not made later, although to be perfectly honest - we don't know for certain that it wasn't. Maybe they were in contact the entire time, and kept up the charade because a threat still lingered way later. What better way to throw off the scent than to make it seem like they never saw their kids again and were actively looking for them?

    Again - pure speculation with NO way of knowing either way. It seems bizarre to me that the bones that were found at the 1949 dig showed no signs of being burned, and were later said to be planted using remains from a local cemetery. Either the law was in on it, or they were seriously covering something up big time!!
    --Jennifer

  3. #18
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    15

    Weird coincidence...

    I spent yesterday reading through the Sodder Family forum, and was halfway through the first thread on the family when I started thinking I had heard the story before. Of course, I hadn't, but it was when the discussion about the photo that was sent to the mother of a young man she thought was her son Louis, it finally clicked for me.

    When I saw the discussion about the photo, and what was written on the back, I automatically thought the "ilil Boys" followed by the numbers meant Illinois Boys (as in Boys home or Orphanage), and that the numbers were his file number there at the home. That's when my lightbulb moment came-

    I have done a massive amount of genealogy research over the years, for various family and step family. My mother's current husband asked me several years ago if I would look into his mom's family. I said of course and asked for particulars- he said from what he could remember, she was the only surviving member of a house fire, and was raised in an orphanage in Boston, Mass. He didn't know the names of anyone in her family. I asked him to get in touch with her and see if that was accurate. I can no longer find my notes on it, and my stepfather is fishing offshore at the moment, but off the top of my head, I remember two different, stories, one was related to me before my stepdad talked to his mom, the other after-

    The first story was that her parents had left her and her siblings alone in the home while they went out for the evening, and a fire was started while the parents weren't there. There were 8(?) children in all, and several were killed in the ensuing blaze- they surviving children were removed from the parents custody, separated and my stepfather's mother placed in the orphanage.

    The other story I seem to remember is that there was a fire, and the parents WERE home, and they, along with six or seven of her siblings perished, leaving her the only surviving member of the family.

    At any rate, she passed in 2004, and I can no longer question her about it. She believed she was pretty young when it happened, she said possibly between the age of 3 and 7. She didn't remember her parents names, or any of those of her siblings. I always thought that it was really sad that she was placed in the orphanage and no family ever came forward to take her in. She was never adopted or fostered out- she stayed there until she was grown. In a sad twist, my stepfather spent the better part of his life believing his mother was dead, killed in a domestic dispute with his father- he didn't learn until much later, when his mother found him, that she hadn't died.

    Now I want to point out that I don't think that she is one of the Sodder children- it would be nice if she were, because then maybe my stepdad would have some answers, and so would the Sodders, but again, I don't think she is. I do, however, think the coincidences are interesting-

    1. House fire involving several siblings
    2. The middle name she was raised with was Louise
    3. She was born May 19, 1937, Jennie Sodder was born Sept 19, 1937.
    4. Judging by the photos on this case, my stepfather would certainly look related to the Sodders.

    I never found anything more about my stepgrandmother's side of the family- beyond her date of birth and death. I contacted the Boston Fire department to see if anyone remembered a fire of a similar nature, or even remembered any stories like this- no one did. I tried searching for news stories of the fire, and never found anything in Massachusetts that matched. I posted the story on several message boards for the surname and area, trying different spelling variations of her surname, and no one had heard a story like this, nor did anyone remember her. I even tried message boards for Boston Orphanages, to see if anyone remembered her from there. The genealogy research into her family hit a dead end, and I've set it aside for several years now.

    Anyways, I thought there were some interesting coincidences between the Sodders and my stepfather's mother's story.

  4. #19
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    396
    I know this is off topic to the Sodders, but to the poster above me I found this news article. The Dad was a soldier and away, the mom left the children alone (two of them tied up so they would stay in bed) to go visiting when a fire broke out. Four children died, but the oldest child who was five survived because she wasn't home at the time.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+in+fire&hl=en

  5. #20
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    15
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian4 View Post
    I know this is off topic to the Sodders, but to the poster above me I found this news article. The Dad was a soldier and away, the mom left the children alone (two of them tied up so they would stay in bed) to go visiting when a fire broke out. Four children died, but the oldest child who was five survived because she wasn't home at the time.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+in+fire&hl=en
    Canadian4- Thank you for finding that! Very interesting reading, and as I type, am heading off to do some searching on the names involved. Thanks again!

  6. #21
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    457
    Quote Originally Posted by DIRK SCHILLER View Post
    well Ive a very good friend, hes italian and he told me he wont believe that mother going to bed letting 5 kids playing,after 10 p.m. that night?!?
    An italian "mama" is always the last one going to bed after checking on all kids already laying in bed.
    Quote Originally Posted by liz b. View Post
    3. Christmas Eve is the most important night of the year in most Italian/American families.Families spend the whole evening together... I just cannot fathom them leaving any of the children alone downstairs on that night,of all nights ?? MOO
    Snipped by me to save some space. I believe I've read that the children were not alone and unsupervised, they were with their eldest sister who usually tucked them into bed every night. That night however being Christmas Eve they let the children play a while longer and the sister fell asleep for a while because she was so tired and the children were playing safely.

    I don't know about Italian-American families specifically but given what I know it does not sound strange to me that their sister would help her parents. I assume that since they were a tight-knit family it would be normal and even encouraged for older siblings to help the parents take care of the younger children. I believe I also read somewhere that the reason why the oldest sister put them to bed each night was because she was so close to them and this way their mother would get some rest and she would have the chance to chat with their siblings etc.

    Maybe it could have been a cover up as you say but I doubt it. They were by all accounts a tight-knit family and the billboard for example sounds like a lot of time and effort. They were not a family with as much money as the McCanns so it would have been much harder on them to keep up with wanted signs and appeals to find their children.

    I don't have any sources because I just remember this from reading this thread and some other ones, so MOO.

    Quote Originally Posted by chemom View Post
    I spent yesterday reading through the Sodder Family forum, and was halfway through the first thread on the family when I started thinking I had heard the story before. Of course, I hadn't, but it was when the discussion about the photo that was sent to the mother of a young man she thought was her son Louis, it finally clicked for me.

    When I saw the discussion about the photo, and what was written on the back, I automatically thought the "ilil Boys" followed by the numbers meant Illinois Boys (as in Boys home or Orphanage), and that the numbers were his file number there at the home. That's when my lightbulb moment came-

    I have done a massive amount of genealogy research over the years, for various family and step family. My mother's current husband asked me several years ago if I would look into his mom's family. I said of course and asked for particulars- he said from what he could remember, she was the only surviving member of a house fire, and was raised in an orphanage in Boston, Mass. He didn't know the names of anyone in her family. I asked him to get in touch with her and see if that was accurate. I can no longer find my notes on it, and my stepfather is fishing offshore at the moment, but off the top of my head, I remember two different, stories, one was related to me before my stepdad talked to his mom, the other after-

    The first story was that her parents had left her and her siblings alone in the home while they went out for the evening, and a fire was started while the parents weren't there. There were 8(?) children in all, and several were killed in the ensuing blaze- they surviving children were removed from the parents custody, separated and my stepfather's mother placed in the orphanage.

    The other story I seem to remember is that there was a fire, and the parents WERE home, and they, along with six or seven of her siblings perished, leaving her the only surviving member of the family.

    At any rate, she passed in 2004, and I can no longer question her about it. She believed she was pretty young when it happened, she said possibly between the age of 3 and 7. She didn't remember her parents names, or any of those of her siblings. I always thought that it was really sad that she was placed in the orphanage and no family ever came forward to take her in. She was never adopted or fostered out- she stayed there until she was grown. In a sad twist, my stepfather spent the better part of his life believing his mother was dead, killed in a domestic dispute with his father- he didn't learn until much later, when his mother found him, that she hadn't died.

    Now I want to point out that I don't think that she is one of the Sodder children- it would be nice if she were, because then maybe my stepdad would have some answers, and so would the Sodders, but again, I don't think she is. I do, however, think the coincidences are interesting-

    1. House fire involving several siblings
    2. The middle name she was raised with was Louise
    3. She was born May 19, 1937, Jennie Sodder was born Sept 19, 1937.
    4. Judging by the photos on this case, my stepfather would certainly look related to the Sodders.

    I never found anything more about my stepgrandmother's side of the family- beyond her date of birth and death. I contacted the Boston Fire department to see if anyone remembered a fire of a similar nature, or even remembered any stories like this- no one did. I tried searching for news stories of the fire, and never found anything in Massachusetts that matched. I posted the story on several message boards for the surname and area, trying different spelling variations of her surname, and no one had heard a story like this, nor did anyone remember her. I even tried message boards for Boston Orphanages, to see if anyone remembered her from there. The genealogy research into her family hit a dead end, and I've set it aside for several years now.

    Anyways, I thought there were some interesting coincidences between the Sodders and my stepfather's mother's story.
    That's strange - aside from the missing children no other people died during the house fire. However it is possible that if they are alive somewhere they could have been lied to. Louise would have been 8 years old so old enough to remember at least something of her old life but of course if she was told by adults that her parents had died she could easily have believed it, plus psychologists have shown that kids have "fake" memories all the time if they're prompted enough. When your stepfather returns you should ask him for more info. As to the genealogy there are so many reasons why you could have hit a dead end - a family who lived in a rural area, a family who didn't live in Boston but your stepfather's mother was taken there because her local orphanage was full already, who knows. I do think it's strange that it's something so similar, though.

    Everything in my posts is just my opinion unless it's a quote. ||| please don't quote my posts outside of this site without my permission.
    I'm no longer very active on WS due to lack of time, if you'd like to keep in touch feel free to PM me though.

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 1 2


Similar Threads

  1. Copyright question/ Online photo question
    By laini in forum Forum Finesse
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 07-08-2008, 10:54 AM

Tags for this Thread