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    Ping Map for July 15, 2008 - Discuss that day only

    Ping Map for July 15, 2008


    Discuss that day only.

    I have requested this thread because the information of that day's event's are getting scattered throughout the pings thread and is making it difficult to keep up with the information

    Warning - Please discuss that days events only here.


    Ping Map for July 15, 2008


    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...33273&t=h&z=11
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    Casey has the use of Amy's car while Amy is in Puerto Rico. (AH interview, p. 26, lines 18-20, when Amy leaves; page 28, lines 1-3, when Amy returns)
    July 8-15 Ricardo in P. Rico
    Page 1302 Lines 20 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    July 8-15 Ricardo in P. Rico Left on flight by himself and returned afternoon July 15 on same flight as Amy H. Troy B. JP C.
    Page 1302 Lines 20 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf
    Tony L. Says: Casey left w/ her mother & Amy, last time he saw her face to face

    July 15 Casey, Tony L. and Nate are at the apartment when Amy (has Cindy with her) knocks on the door. [3935 Sutton Pl Blvd Winter Park, FL 32792]
    Page 1020 Lines 20-22 Tony L Interview with LE on 7/22/2008
    http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf
    July 15 Troy saw Casey at the airport when she came to pick them up.
    Page 1331 Lines 5-6 Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/tb092308.pdf
    Amy returns from Puerto Rico, and Casey picks her up at the airport, without Caylee. Amy takes Casey to Tony's and drops her off. (AH interview, pg. 28, lines 1-3)
    July 15 Casey picks Amy up at airport unknown at this time and then Casey gets dropped off at Tony L.’s apartment [3935 Sutton Pl Blvd Winter Park, FL 32792] and Amy goes back to airport to pick up Troy, Ricardo and J.P. at airport.
    Page 1053 Lines 1-7 Amy H. Interview with LE on 7/23/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ah092308.pdf
    On 7/15/08 - check #146 for $250 was made out to Casey Anthony. This check was cashed by Casey Anthony at the counter at BOA (Bank of America). This check was on Amy Huzienga's BOA account.
    July 15 Will received text from Casey’s phone that “Caylee was missing. She has been for 32 days now. If you have any information please call me on my cell”. He thought is was a 10:00PM
    Page 1414 Lines 13-24 & Page 1415 Lines 1-4 William W. Interview with LE on 7/30/ 2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/ww092308.pdf
    July 15 Casey came to the airport. [No time given]
    Page 1305 Lines 6-7 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf
    KC and AH Text Messages 7/15/08

    KC AH The flight is in at 1130. I’ll call in the morning.

    AH KC 07/15 8:10 AM I got it. You're in around 230. I’ll see you then!

    KC AH Thanks man. So at the airport, no Ricardo.

    AH KC 07/15 4:53 PM I think your camera is at my parents. I’ll check later to be sure.

    KC AH It’s not. I must have put down the wrong address bc it came back there. I'm just having it sent to the boys’ house.

    AH KC 07/15 5:30 PM Oh, ok. My mom had texted me something about it.
    July 15:

    Winn Dixie (7580 University) @ 6:04 pm cash $88.45

    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/la092308.pdf
    Ricardo M. Says: Casey texted him 7/14 or 7/15 about airport pickup arrangements

    July 14 or 15 Casey sent a text [Ricardo would have been in P. Rico] about who was picking them up at the airport.
    Page 1305 Lines 4-5 Ricardo M. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf
    Cindy discounted George's mini-stroke in the ride to Tony's with Amy. (AH interview, pg. 32, lines 6-7) (see entry on June 13)
    Pizza's first mention

    On the way to Tony's, Cindy told Amy that when they opened the trunk of the car, they found pizza and maggots, and Cindy said they thought that's what the smell was from. (Mine: This is before the 911 calls.) (AH interview, pg. 30, lines 20-25)
    Amy takes Cindy to Ricardo's; the smelly car again

    Cindy picks Amy up at Florida Mall and on the way to Anthony's, Cindy tells Amy about the smell in the car. (AH interview, pg. 29, lines 7-18)
    July 15 Troy saw Casey at the airport when she came to pick them up.
    Page 1331 Lines 5-6 Troy B. Interview with LE on 7/25/2008
    Ricardo returns from Puerto Rico. (RM interview, pg. 26, lines 1-2)
    July 15 Casey, Tony L. and Nate are at the apartment when Amy (has Cindy with her) knocks on the door. [3935 Sutton Pl Blvd Winter Park, FL 32792]
    Page 1020 Lines 20-22 Tony L Interview with LE on 7/22/2008
    Casey's Online Presence

    Casey wrote to Amy:

    Casey Anthony wrote
    at 4:02pm on July 15th, 2008

    so glad you're home.
    i better not see you online.
    life is on hold until tomorrow
    George worked from 3 - 11 pm on June 15th
    CA sent GA back to work after he had picked up car so he doesn't really know what happened with car

    - as per his interview with LE
    Stultz poss. sees Casey running on Chickasaw. She denies

    Document Page 12/692 Lines 13-23
    July 15th: She was down the road, Chickasaw, I was going to work so about 9:00-9:30. I texted her and she said no it wasn’t her.
    Lee Picks up Casey's belongings from Tony's apt

    While LE are at Anthony home questioning family, Lee goes to Tony's apt. and picks up Casey's laptop, large leopard print duffle bag w/clothing, white backpack w/clothing, large purse with toiletries, female items.
    Leaves midnight on 7/15, returns 2:25 am on 7/16.
    Lee Anthony interview. pg. 18, line 19. pg. 21, line 19
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    Yay Georgia! Thanks so much for all of the work you've done to get these ping maps complete. They're great and an excellent source for sleuthing and discussion!

    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you!

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    I think it is important to note that when Lee went to Tony's to pick up Casey's things, Lee commented to LE that everything was packed and ready to go, indicating that Tony had been the one to do the packing. That right there told me no-way now-how did Tony have anything to do with Caylee's disappearance. In a few short hours after seeing Cindy and Amy come over, then speaking with Amy about her ordeal, Tony very quickly realized what kind of person was living with him and wanted her out ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWG View Post
    I think it is important to note that when Lee went to Tony's to pick up Casey's things, Lee commented to LE that everything was packed and ready to go, indicating that Tony had been the one to do the packing. That right there told me no-way now-how did Tony have anything to do with Caylee's disappearance. In a few short hours after seeing Cindy and Amy come over, then speaking with Amy about her ordeal, Tony very quickly realized what kind of person was living with him and wanted her out ASAP.
    Also interesting about that is how he stressed in his interview how neatly it was packed and that his sister could've never packed it like that, because shes wasn't that neat..He made a real big deal about that and I don't know why
    Last edited by Tom'sGirl; 11-04-2008 at 12:23 PM. Reason: To fix quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whyamisointerested View Post
    Also interesting about that is how he stressed in his interview how neatly it was packed and that his sister could've never packed it like that, because shes wasn't that neat..He made a real big deal about that and I don't know why
    Yes. That comment made me wonder a lot as well. I do remember though that in Clint's interview he talks about her being very neat and tidy...Clint laughs about it and says that Tony wouldn't have had it any other way. So maybe she was "adapting" as she had always done.

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    Who is Kyle K., that KC texted a bit with in the early morning?

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    Since Casey's phone was @ Tony's initially she prolly had some 'splainin' to do when Tony was using it contacting Amy after everything started going down and he sees some incoming texts from Andy & Will:

    7/15/08 TUE 9:27:40 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 9:34:50 PM INCOMING TEXT Andy F. Casey A.
    7/15/08 TUE 9:36:56 PM INCOMING TEXT Will W. Casey A.

    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:08 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:13 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Casey Voicemail
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:13 PM INCOMING CALL Mark H. Casey A.
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:39 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 11:55:18 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.

    ...ok...jus gives me a bit of a chuckle.

    Not certain of the exact time LE arrived at Tony's to pick up the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BondJamesBond View Post
    Since Casey's phone was @ Tony's initially she prolly had some 'splainin' to do when Tony was using it contacting Amy after everything started going down and he sees some incoming texts from Andy & Will:

    7/15/08 TUE 9:27:40 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 9:34:50 PM INCOMING TEXT Andy F. Casey A.
    7/15/08 TUE 9:36:56 PM INCOMING TEXT Will W. Casey A.
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:08 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:13 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Casey Voicemail
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:13 PM INCOMING CALL Mark H. Casey A.
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:39 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 11:55:18 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.

    ...ok...jus gives me a bit of a chuckle.

    Not certain of the exact time LE arrived at Tony's to pick up the phone.
    Lol. Made me chuckle too. She really is incredible!

    (Thanks for sharing.)

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    Decoding Casey's route from 1:00 to 2:30 PM

    (I copied this over from the Pontiac thread)

    OK, so here is my speculation of the route Casey was following to pick up Amy, beginning approximately 1:00PM, based on cell pings and direction of pings to cell towers:

    1:00 PM - leave AL's. Must make a right turn and head east. It is clear from pings to tower 58 she gets as far as Goldenrod, where it appears she pulls a U-turn to head west. This is the desired direction, because she wants to get onto Semoran. Tower 46 pings from Tony's and University as she heads west.

    1:08 PM - left turn from University onto Semoran. Pings to tower 51 at 1:10 to 1:11 consistent with this location.

    1:15 PM - Cross 408, continue to head south. Pings at 1:15 and 1:17 to north side of tower 30 consistent with this.

    For some reason at this point Casey decides she needs to stop by Ric / Amy's place. So she loops back towards their apartment.

    1:19 PM - Right turn onto Lake Margaret, heading west in the vicinity of the Sawgrass Apartments. Pings to north side of tower 24 consistent with this.

    1:22 PM - Right turn onto S. Conway (15) heading north past Sawgrass.

    1:28 PM - Left onto Curry Ford (stuck at light), heading west.

    1:30 PM - Right onto S. Crystal Lake, heading north.

    1:34 PM - Left onto E. Robinson to Ric / Amy's

    1:35 PM to 1:41 PM - At Ric / Amy's (park, go in, get something, come out, leave). Pings to cell towers at this time consistent with this location.

    Now she needs to get onto S. Orange to head toward airport. Takes back roads to avoid traffic.

    1:43 PM - Left on Summerlin, heading south.

    1:45 PM - Right on Briercliff, heading west - ping to cell tower 28 at 13:45:24 consistent with this location.

    1:47 PM - Left on Delaney, heading south

    1:51 PM - Right on E. Michigan, heading east (had to wait for cars ahead to make right).

    1:54 PM - Left on S. Orange, heading S. toward airport (had to wait for left turn light).

    1:55 PM - Passes Cast Iron Tatoos as she is driving south on Orange. The pings from 1:54:19 to 1:56:03 bounce between two cell towers very close to this location. The cell ID's of these two towers place her in a very specific 1 mile stretch of S. Orange (and no other road) at this time.

    2:04 PM - Left onto E. Sand Lake / McCoy toward Beachline Expw, heading east towards airport. Pings at 2:06 from tower 9 consistent with this location.

    Remaining pings (including again cell direction) to 2:31:52 PM are very consistent with Casey entering aiport from the south. This means she would turn right onto Boggy Creek and then left onto the S. Access Road. At 2:32 she is either at or very close to the terminal pick up area.

    Now, people will love speculating about the following. There are 10 minutes of "fat" in the pings driving this route. Pings at 2:21 to 2:24 still place her on Boggy Creek, southwest of the airport. Maybe she stopped to put some gas in Amy's car, but she stopped somewhere for about 10 minutes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BondJamesBond View Post
    Since Casey's phone was @ Tony's initially she prolly had some 'splainin' to do when Tony was using it contacting Amy after everything started going down and he sees some incoming texts from Andy & Will:

    7/15/08 TUE 9:27:40 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 9:34:50 PM INCOMING TEXT Andy F. Casey A.
    7/15/08 TUE 9:36:56 PM INCOMING TEXT Will W. Casey A.

    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:08 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:13 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Casey Voicemail
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:13 PM INCOMING CALL Mark H. Casey A.
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:39 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 11:55:18 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.

    ...ok...jus gives me a bit of a chuckle.

    Not certain of the exact time LE arrived at Tony's to pick up the phone.

    AHA! I was reading a portion of the recent docs (section 2) and saw a portion of TonE's interview with OCSO where he talked about sending a text to KC about 2 hours after Cindy left with KC from his apartment, he realized her phone was still there bc it signaled a receipt of his text, then he called Amy H as noted in your timeline above.

    Thinking his time is off somewhat and also we need to know who actually recovered her phone from TonE's apt - was it Lee or OCSO? A mass text was sent out about Caylee's disappearance the next day and she sent texts to TonE while on the wild and crazy goose chase through Orlando on the 16th, right? Why would OCSO give her the cell phone back while they are looking for Caylee?

    Another thought ... there is no second phone. If there was, we'd see phone records of other people in this case with texts from that other phone showing that phone number.. right? Sorry if this doesn't belong here but I thought it was relevant to July 15th
    JMO

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    7/15/08 TUE 9:27:40 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 9:34:50 PM INCOMING TEXT Andy F. Casey A. - "What ya up to?"
    7/15/08 TUE 9:36:56 PM INCOMING TEXT Will W. Casey A. - "Well if things r cool b safe n all that jazz"

    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:08 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:13 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Casey Voicemail
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:13 PM INCOMING CALL Mark H. Casey A.
    7/15/08 TUE 10:07:39 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
    7/15/08 TUE 11:55:18 PM OUTGOING CALL Casey A. Amy H.
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    I was reading the 911 call thread and remembered I posted the following on the Pontiac thread. Since it involves a timeline theory for part of the day on July 15, I felt I should post here as well. (That, and I believe in recycling.)

    George and Cindy drive to the tow yard to retrieve the Pontiac. It is important to remember that neither at that point in time have any idea whatsoever that Caylee is missing. They simply believe Casey has been preventing them from seeing her.

    George opens the car door and smells what he believes is human decomposition (and we later learn he was correct.) Mr. Burch smells it too.

    George is obviously worried it might be Caylee or even Casey. He asks Mr. Burch to go to the trunk with him. They open the trunk and there is no body, but there is a bag of trash with flies and maggots on it. Mr. Burch says that must be the source of the smell and tosses the bag. George never inspects the garbage to make sure there was a pizza in it - why should he?

    IMHO, it is quite reasonable for George to temporarily accept this alternate explanation for the smell because he is not aware that Caylee is missing.

    Progressing with the sequence of events, George drives the car home, puts it in the garage, and disconnects the battery just in case his daughter shows up and tries to drive it away. Cindy comments on the smell being that of something dead. George says there was a bag of garbage in the trunk with a pizza in it and that the bag had maggots and flies on it. Cindy asks if it was the pizza and George says it was. Again, a reminder that to this point neither knows Caylee is missing.

    I can imagine George then saying a few things about how irresponsible Casey had become to abandon a perfectly good vehicle, never tell her parents about it, and on top of all that leave a bag of rotting garbage in the trunk while the car sat in the hot Florida sun for two weeks.

    The two try to air out the car while it is parked in the garage, and I believe they try to clean it. First they spray the bugs in the trunk with pesticide, which may have been manufactured with chloroform as a solvent. Then they vacuum out the dead bugs and other debris. They try to clean the stain in the trunk, which they believe came from the trash bag. They may have used their portable steam cleaner to do this. They may have used dry cleaning fluid to do this which, by the way, has chloroform as an ingredient.

    Cindy cleans out the interior, seeing Casey's slacks, noticing the smell, and tossing them in the wash. Remember, they are trying to clean a stinking car their daughter abandoned and they had to "bail out" for several hundred dollars. They still do not have any clue Caylee is missing.

    Cindy texts Casey, gets a response, texts her back, gets another response. No idea what was in that exchange. George takes off for work.

    Cindy continues going through the car and runs across Amy's resume. Apparently Cindy's text exchange earlier with Casey did not satisfy the question(s) she had, so she calls Amy and asks her to take her to Casey.

    During the ride over Cindy complains about Casey. IIRC it ran the gamut of her stealing, lying, not letting them see Casey. They arrive at Tony's, get Casey, and drive back to Ric's to drop Amy off.

    Now Cindy wants some answers. She is angry and confused, and Casey is not giving her a story that makes sense. They drive to a police station, and from the parking lot Cindy makes the first 911 call. She also calls George. George calls Lee and asks him to head over to their house to help Cindy get to the bottom of whatever is going on. Cindy drives back to the home with Casey - Lee is already there.

    Cindy makes a second 911 call. Continues trying to talk to Casey and get some answers. George heads home from work. Cindy leaves the room and Lee tries talking to her. It is then that Casey mentions the kidnapping story which Cindy overhears. She rushes in, gets more information from Casey, and goes into a panic. I submit that this is the point where Cindy first puts two and two together.

    She calls 911 again, this time mentioning the car smell and missing baby, and George happens to walk in on the call.

    I do not view their cleaning of the call earlier as anything but innocent given they were not working with all the facts. If they hid the fact they cleaned the car in later LE interviews, that is obstruction. But the act itself was not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Georgia PI View Post
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    excellent!! Hope LE has the same info.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWG View Post
    I was reading the 911 call thread and remembered I posted the following on the Pontiac thread. Since it involves a timeline theory for part of the day on July 15, I felt I should post here as well. (That, and I believe in recycling.)

    George and Cindy drive to the tow yard to retrieve the Pontiac. It is important to remember that neither at that point in time have any idea whatsoever that Caylee is missing. They simply believe Casey has been preventing them from seeing her.

    George opens the car door and smells what he believes is human decomposition (and we later learn he was correct.) Mr. Burch smells it too.

    George is obviously worried it might be Caylee or even Casey. He asks Mr. Burch to go to the trunk with him. They open the trunk and there is no body, but there is a bag of trash with flies and maggots on it. Mr. Burch says that must be the source of the smell and tosses the bag. George never inspects the garbage to make sure there was a pizza in it - why should he?

    IMHO, it is quite reasonable for George to temporarily accept this alternate explanation for the smell because he is not aware that Caylee is missing.

    Progressing with the sequence of events, George drives the car home, puts it in the garage, and disconnects the battery just in case his daughter shows up and tries to drive it away. Cindy comments on the smell being that of something dead. George says there was a bag of garbage in the trunk with a pizza in it and that the bag had maggots and flies on it. Cindy asks if it was the pizza and George says it was. Again, a reminder that to this point neither knows Caylee is missing.

    I can imagine George then saying a few things about how irresponsible Casey had become to abandon a perfectly good vehicle, never tell her parents about it, and on top of all that leave a bag of rotting garbage in the trunk while the car sat in the hot Florida sun for two weeks.

    The two try to air out the car while it is parked in the garage, and I believe they try to clean it. First they spray the bugs in the trunk with pesticide, which may have been manufactured with chloroform as a solvent. Then they vacuum out the dead bugs and other debris. They try to clean the stain in the trunk, which they believe came from the trash bag. They may have used their portable steam cleaner to do this. They may have used dry cleaning fluid to do this which, by the way, has chloroform as an ingredient.

    Cindy cleans out the interior, seeing Casey's slacks, noticing the smell, and tossing them in the wash. Remember, they are trying to clean a stinking car their daughter abandoned and they had to "bail out" for several hundred dollars. They still do not have any clue Caylee is missing.

    Cindy texts Casey, gets a response, texts her back, gets another response. No idea what was in that exchange. George takes off for work.

    Cindy continues going through the car and runs across Amy's resume. Apparently Cindy's text exchange earlier with Casey did not satisfy the question(s) she had, so she calls Amy and asks her to take her to Casey.

    During the ride over Cindy complains about Casey. IIRC it ran the gamut of her stealing, lying, not letting them see Casey. They arrive at Tony's, get Casey, and drive back to Ric's to drop Amy off.

    Now Cindy wants some answers. She is angry and confused, and Casey is not giving her a story that makes sense. They drive to a police station, and from the parking lot Cindy makes the first 911 call. She also calls George. George calls Lee and asks him to head over to their house to help Cindy get to the bottom of whatever is going on. Cindy drives back to the home with Casey - Lee is already there.

    Cindy makes a second 911 call. Continues trying to talk to Casey and get some answers. George heads home from work. Cindy leaves the room and Lee tries talking to her. It is then that Casey mentions the kidnapping story which Cindy overhears. She rushes in, gets more information from Casey, and goes into a panic. I submit that this is the point where Cindy first puts two and two together.

    She calls 911 again, this time mentioning the car smell and missing baby, and George happens to walk in on the call.

    I do not view their cleaning of the call earlier as anything but innocent given they were not working with all the facts. If they hid the fact they cleaned the car in later LE interviews, that is obstruction. But the act itself was not.
    That sounds really good to me as far as the bug spray, cleaning etc.

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