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    Quote Originally Posted by KellioPSL View Post
    BB12,
    what makes you think she stayed at la'S house on 6/15/08. I truly believe after the big fight, that she was furious. I think she left parents house went to secret special place, I think she stayed there all night in the car,I think that is where she killed the baby.I think she did this by herself and didnt tell anyone or have any help. Remember what she had posted on her myspace "trust no one". I think that's why cocoamom's church theory is so important.
    ITA! I posted the same thoughts a couple of months back with one exception. I'm not convinced that she didn't have an accomplice after the fact. Your comment about her MySpace post does make sense, though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattymarie View Post
    I might be grasping at straws...but I believe the key to what we are missing lies in the very complicated mother/daughter bond that exists between CA and KC. I said this on some other post, but I think until CA gives KC permission to tell the truth, its not gonna happen. CA can't do this, because, IMO, she felt responsible for Caylee, as a mother would (instead of grandmother) and she in fact blames herself for the tragedy.
    I agree, their relationship was most unusual, remember the video of I believe it was Caylees' first birthday party, CA takes Caylees hand with frosting on it and pushes it into Caseys' face, a bit rough, I thought, and then Casey takes Caylees hand with the frosting on it and puts it into Caylees face, anyone notice CA reaction, I thought CA acted as though she were in charge of Caylee, and Casey was showing her mother she was in charge by taking Caylees' hand and putting it back in Caylees' face. I think poor little Caylee was used by both CA and Caylee.


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    Here is the thing. I know a female like Cindy and what she does with her kids is that each one is an extension of her childhood fantasy wishes. One does no wrong and is rewarded for being a pain in the axxxx. He/She gets a new teacher if he/she aggravates the heck out of each one. Never his/her fault. Another one is the soccer star going to the big leagues with 3 or 4 surgeries on the resume. Doesn't have to drive a car that has ever been wrecked. The other one gets to incur 40,000 in debt for college and can't hold a meaningful conversation with substance. What do you do with the lack of insight and unrealistic expectations????Chronic, ingrained, persistent, e.t.c.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katherine5 View Post
    regarding the beach towel, i agree it looks similar to what j.j. found on his search. on the same sight where those search pics came from, there are several other pics from someone who claims to know exactly where CL is. the person says they can't get anyone to listen. the pics are specific - but i'm not from FL, so i am no help. the new pics were posted a couple days ago.
    Huh ? I dont get it ? someone says they know where caylee is ?


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    I just read through some texts for about the 1000th time, and I'm very curious about the way that kc speaks. Such as " Awesome Love" and "Oh hunny" . These were things that she said to amy in text messages. Do you think that because she has no real feelings that she has to make them up so to speak ? And it struck me as odd that ca in her 1st jailhouse conversation with kc says "sweetheart your not tyelling me where she is" very odd huh ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KellioPSL View Post
    I just read through some texts for about the 1000th time, and I'm very curious about the way that kc speaks. Such as " Awesome Love" and "Oh hunny" . These were things that she said to amy in text messages. Do you think that because she has no real feelings that she has to make them up so to speak ? And it struck me as odd that ca in her 1st jailhouse conversation with kc says "sweetheart your not tyelling me where she is" very odd huh ?
    Yes this flattery is what manpulators use in the absence of genuine affection. Where these fail to work though, trust me, these 'endearments' will morph into hateful lashings so fast it will make your head spin... JMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by bessie View Post
    ITA! I posted the same thoughts a couple of months back with one exception. I'm not convinced that she didn't have an accomplice after the fact. Your comment about her MySpace post does make sense, though.
    On the nite of June 15, KC had a lengthy (80 min.) conversation w TL, and then texted him into the wee hours of June 16 (until 3 am). TL emphatically denies that KC stayed at his 3843 Sutton Pl. Bv. #708 house that night and accuses Clint House of being a liar. Pings later proved KC stayed at her parents' Hopespring Dr. house that night--which is consistent w GA's sworn statement. JMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by kiki the parrot View Post
    On the nite of June 15, KC had a lengthy (80 min.) conversation w TL, and then texted him into the wee hours of June 16 (until 3 am). TL emphatically denies that KC stayed at his 3843 Sutton Pl. Bv. #708 house that night and accuses Clint House of being a liar. Pings later proved KC stayed at her parents' Hopespring Dr. house that night--which is consistent w GA's sworn statement. JMO
    I dont think kc stayed at tones because of the cell pings, but I dont think that she stayed at the a's either, pings show that she was in the area of the a's. There was a call to kc's cell phone from the a's house the morning of the 16th at around 7:30. Why ? I don't buy the calling my own cell phone to find it theory.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KellioPSL View Post
    I dont think kc stayed at tones because of the cell pings, but I dont think that she stayed at the a's either, pings show that she was in the area of the a's. There was a call to kc's cell phone from the a's house the morning of the 16th at around 7:30. Why ? I don't buy the calling my own cell phone to find it theory.


    It's possible (I lose my cell and call it from my landline all the time lol!) or even that A's didn't realize she'd returned in the wee hours. Not sure it's that critical to know which park, parking lot, or nearby friend's place she may have gone to (to continue texting TL, while cooling off from argument eg). What matters is Hopespring is where Caylee evidently spent her last night (to which everyone agrees) and establishing she was still very much alive--since I believe GA's account and sworn testimony re Caylee still being alive, and the two leaving w backpacks, on afternoon of June 16. JMO
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    I posted this on another thread but think it might get read here...Last night on NG, Henry Lee talked about there being empty or partially empty food containers in the car. I heard mention of this early on in the case as well but LE makes nothing of it. Whenever I hear about the empty food containers found in Casey's car I feel like that is soooo significant. I really feel in my heart that in that last month of Caylee's life her evenings were spent(subdued by the chloroform) in that car and the empty food containers are what was left over from whatever Casey brought her to munch on while she did her thing with whoever she happened to be with that night. I have 4 children that I love dearly and I just can't wrap my mind around what this mother put her child through.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HeSaidSheSaid View Post
    I'm sure this isn't significant, but it stands out to me. There were two separate transcripts that I read, where Casey was unable to make a purchase, as she had no ID 'with her'. I recall that both of the places where there was an attempted purchase were either a distributor, or liquor store, I'm not sure what Florida's alcohol purchasing set up is (I'm in PA and we have separate establishments for the purchase of "soft liquor" and "hard liquor." So I don't know exactly what the establishments were, but I think that one transcript stated that it was to buy a bucket for a keg, and another to actually buy alcohol at another establishment. (Sorry if this doesn't make sense.)

    I recall reading that at the house where there was to be a birthday party, they, they being Amy and Casey, went to get an item, either a bucket or something and she, Casey, couldn't purchase it because she didn't have her ID. Also, there was another occasion where she went to buy something and didn't have her ID with her.

    Yet when she was using Amy's checkbook (or a few stolen checks) she was able to produce ID, each and every time. Also, Lee stated in his inteview that when he brought back Casey's belongings from TL's apt., when they dumped everything out, the officer, who had left the room, according to Lee, Cindy had pocketed money and a JCP CC, but he stated that when they went to pull white card out of her wallet, the officer stopped them, and took possession of the card. (which I guessed was an ID of some sort)

    Again, I'm sure it's nothing, as Casey is one of the biggest liars on the planet, but that stood out for me.

    She wouldn't produce ID with others around, but she would when she was alone.
    I think Casey purposefully left her wallet - which held her id and possibly any money she had at home or the home of I believe it was William W, when they went to get the liquor/bucket for the keg so they couldn't purchase it because either she had no money to chip in or figured Amy and Will would go back later and pick it up and she wouldn't have to spend any of her money. JMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by elle1919 View Post
    I posted this on another thread but think it might get read here...Last night on NG, Henry Lee talked about there being empty or partially empty food containers in the car. I heard mention of this early on in the case as well but LE makes nothing of it. Whenever I hear about the empty food containers found in Casey's car I feel like that is soooo significant. I really feel in my heart that in that last month of Caylee's life her evenings were spent(subdued by the chloroform) in that car and the empty food containers are what was left over from whatever Casey brought her to munch on while she did her thing with whoever she happened to be with that night. I have 4 children that I love dearly and I just can't wrap my mind around what this mother put her child through.
    Well that certainly makes it sound awful--but we don't know if chloroform was ever in fact used on Caylee (vs trunk eg). She was obviously on the go that's clear. I have four children whom I love dearly too but personally I'd be more concerned if she weren't feeding Caylee (fast food or whatever). I also continually have to remind myself to wait for the totality of evidence because when we don't know the truth, we imagine the very worst. JMO


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    I always thought Casey and Casey alone was responsible. But I've been chewing on something for a few days now....George, the one that really did seem the most LOGICAL and honest....has been bothering me.

    He wasn't in denial ..........he KNEW that smell and prayed it wasn't CAYLEE according to his statements. Why wasn't he worried that it was CASEY??? I do not believe he drove that car back home and went to work. No way, not with his LE training. I think maybe he stumbled upon the car before it was towed?

    It seems more likely to me now that maybe her dad disposed of Caylee to save his remaining family. Perhaps Casey has no clue where she is now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda7NJ View Post
    I always thought Casey and Casey alone was responsible. But I've been chewing on something for a few days now....George, the one that really did seem the most LOGICAL and honest....has been bothering me.

    He wasn't in denial ..........he KNEW that smell and prayed it wasn't CAYLEE according to his statements. Why wasn't he worried that it was CASEY??? I do not believe he drove that car back home and went to work. No way, not with his LE training. I think maybe he stumbled upon the car before it was towed?

    It seems more likely to me now that maybe her dad disposed of Caylee to save his remaining family. Perhaps Casey has no clue where she is now?
    Hmmm, that would fit right in with "But you're not telling me where she is sweetheart", and the "I don't know where Caylee is", wouldn't it? Both are true statements, possibly even according to script.

    My OPINION only.


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    A few things from Casey's interview with LE still puzzle me. I reviewed them again in hopes of hearing it anew.
    When she was questioned about dropping Caylee at SG with ZFG she provides a detail about a shed 10 yds from building. Is there a shed within that distance from the building? Why yards not feet? It just seems odd in that, this is the only place I remember her giving measurements.

    When asked about why she was taking them on a wild goose chase she responded that, I took (her) THEM to other places I've been... that I've seen her. Who is "HER"? Other places she's been, where she saw her. This statement just seems odd. Was she returning to the dump site, 'that I've seen her' ? Is she saying that she has taken them to where she left Caylee?

    In places where we know she is lying her voice becomes excited ie., talking faster, raspy voice, too much information. When she is saying something truthful her voice is quieter and she stumbles around. Indicates to me that when she is fluent she is lying. Certain questions asked by LE don't seem important to her such as ones about LG. They don't fit in with the story she wants them to hear, huge waste.


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