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    PA - Judy Smith, 50, Philadelphia, 10 April 1997

    I saw this on Unsolved Mysteries over the weekend and did a WS search and did not find a thread about this. It is a very perplexing case indeed.

    Judy and her husband were on their honeymoon in Philly. He was also attending a convention while they were there so Judy set out to do some sight-seeing alone and they agreed to meet at 5pm at their hotel. Judy never showed up. Her husband and children launched an extensive search. Her husband also hired three private detectives. There were numerous sightings of her from Philly to New Jersey. Five months later hunters found Judy's remains - in North Carolina nearly 500 miles away from where she disappeared. There have at least 4 eyewitnesses claiming they saw Judy in the area shopping and in the company of another person.
    Police have been able to confirm that she was on the plane from Boston to Philly with her husband. A female officer questions if Smith was ever in the hotel room as it appeared none of her clothes had been worn and there were no cosmetics found.
    Her husband is considered a suspect. I don't know wht I think about him. He seems pretty genuine and sincere but you never know. LE claims he has refused to take a lie detector but Smith insists that he has not refused.

    These articles have a lot more info.

    http://www.citypaper.net/articles/07...ticle010.shtml

    http://www.citypaper.net/articles/100297/cb.smith.shtml

    http://www.citypaper.net/articles/073098/om1.shtml

    http://www.citypaper.net/articles/10...buncombe.shtml

    http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/une_judy_smith.htm
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    I remember reading about this case a few years ago. I thought, at that time, that LE had decided the husband was the guilty party, but reading your links that doesn't seem to be the case, although they have cast a jaundiced eye on him.

    One thought I had off the top of my head is Mrs. Smith may have had a girl friend and they went away together in the girl friend's car. Mrs. Smith may have appeared disoriented because she hadn't made up her mind to "take off" and was preoccupied with this thought in mind.

    How's that for a made up story?

    This is a fascinating case, thanks for posting it.

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    Very interesting case. This is the first I had heard of it.






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    http://www.citypaper.net/articles/10...buncombe.shtml

    After reading the link about where her body was found, I don't think the husband was involved. For me, this statement by Lt. Sam Constance said a lot, "...there is no way the portly Jeffrey Smith, or anyone else for that matter, dragged Judith, a big woman in her own right, up the mountain."

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    This case was featured on "Unsolved Mysteries" and has always baffled me. I have wondered if Judy was hitchhiking and possibly met up with foul play...but why was she hitchhking? There doesn't seem to be any record of her renting a car or flying to near where she was found or I'm sure we would have heard. The owner of an antiques store in either Kentucky or Tennessee I believe is certain she saw Judy not long after she went missing. Judy seemed in good spirits even told the lady her name was Judy and said some other things that make it sound like it truly was Judy Smith. Why would she travel that far away and not let her husband or anyone in her family know? Is it possible she suffered some sort of mental break and wandered off with no real destination in sight? I never really thought her husband was responsible. It wouldn't seem unlikely he would murder her and then travel cross country to dump her body. Such a baffling case..

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    Questions

    After reading only the first two articles- I question the later flight, but it is said that it was verified.
    In the second article where they say she was found, the ME states that the body had been there "for a year or possibly two." This is a red flag for me. I will have to read the rest of the info, but could it be that Judy was killed before it is said that she in fact disappeared from Philly? I would say that bones don't lie, from all I have read and conversations with ME's about other cases.

    Although, Jeffrey and Judy were only married for 8 months when this occured if I am remembering right.

    Also, another thought, Gary Hilton (serial killer) Although I have some reservations about this too, as it seems he took the money from his victims. In 2007, Irene Bryant was found at the same National Forest.

    Just some thoughts.

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    Smith says he returned to his room from breakfast and suggested to his showering wife that she try it. Judith joked about going as she was, naked and dripping wet.
    Smith says he then left the room for the day's hectic schedule, which culminated with his moderating the final session of the day. When he returned to the room, at about 5:30, Judith wasn't there.

    How could a clothing description be given if he last saw her (or spoke to her) while she was showering?

    I am taking it that her kids lived in Ma. also and had contact with her as well as the friend who is interviewed on the unsolved mysteries link. But the timing of death of the bones is not sitting well with me.

    It is verified that the ticket was used from Ma. to Pa. but was it by the "real" Judith Smith?

    Something with this whole story isn't adding up for me.

    I am wondering if it would be possible to call the PD involved with this and ask some questions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie Miller View Post
    After reading only the first two articles- I question the later flight, but it is said that it was verified.
    In the second article where they say she was found, the ME states that the body had been there "for a year or possibly two." This is a red flag for me. I will have to read the rest of the info, but could it be that Judy was killed before it is said that she in fact disappeared from Philly? I would say that bones don't lie, from all I have read and conversations with ME's about other cases.

    Although, Jeffrey and Judy were only married for 8 months when this occured if I am remembering right.

    Also, another thought, Gary Hilton (serial killer) Although I have some reservations about this too, as it seems he took the money from his victims. In 2007, Irene Bryant was found at the same National Forest.

    Just some thoughts.
    Hi Debbie - regarding the body being a year or two old - the first couple times I read it I thought they were referring to the other body found in the area because it did not make sense to me that they thought the body had been there longer than Judy had been missing. Your comment motivated me to go back and re-read and indeed they were talking about Judy......I wish we could get clarification on that. The fact that they had been exposed to the elements for months could be why they looked older than they did. They were probably basing their conclusions on the decomposition of the body and the weathering of the bones. I think if Judy had been missing for a year or so before the trip her children would have said something. From interviews I saw with them it seems they are confirming that Judy was very much alive and home up until they left for Philly. She was a nurse too so I am sure it would be easy to figure out if she was alive during that time.


    I thought of Hilton too. Still the mystery remains - why was she in NC???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debbie Miller View Post
    How could a clothing description be given if he last saw her (or spoke to her) while she was showering?

    HA! I never thought of that. Good catch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trino View Post
    http://www.citypaper.net/articles/10...buncombe.shtml

    After reading the link about where her body was found, I don't think the husband was involved. For me, this statement by Lt. Sam Constance said a lot, "...there is no way the portly Jeffrey Smith, or anyone else for that matter, dragged Judith, a big woman in her own right, up the mountain."
    He is a big man who is obviously not in great shape and I agree there is no way he could have been dragging a body around out there. Alone. Could he have had help? If he was guilty he isn't acting like it. He hired three private investigators, spent months combing the Eastern Seaboard, faxed over 9,000 missing persons fliers all over the East Coast, did numerous interviews with the media. Granted, he could just be savvy and knows that all of these things are not the normal actions of a guilty man so he is doing it to take the focus off of himself.

    The eyewitness accounts are bizarre too. Especially the ones from NC - the woman in the X-mas shoppe was able to give an accurate description right down to her red backpack and recount the conversation she had with 'Judy'. 'Judy' told her she was from Boston and was on her honeymoon with her husband but had decided to come down for some shopping. Was this really Judy or someone impersonating her?

    One of the articles said something like - "who was camping in those woods?' Did anyone understand exactly what was meant by that? Do they mean to imply they found evidence that Judy was camping out there or they found remnants of an unknown campsite in the area.

    It just seems very unlikely that martial troubles or not that Judy would take off on her own honeymoon. How did she get there unless someone took her there? She could have been royally pissed that this was their honeymoon and her husband had mixed business with pleasure by scheduling it in conjunction with the convention. I think I would be a little peeved about that but enough to just vanish to go somewhere I was not familar with and not contact my children? I don't know.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaia227 View Post
    It just seems very unlikely that martial troubles or not that Judy would take off on her own honeymoon. How did she get there unless someone took her there? She could have been royally pissed that this was their honeymoon and her husband had mixed business with pleasure by scheduling it in conjunction with the convention. I think I would be a little peeved about that but enough to just vanish to go somewhere I was not familar with and not contact my children? I don't know.......
    I don't remember Jeffery saying anything about this being a honeymoon. That strikes me odd too. They were married 8 months when she disappeared, funny thing is if you go with what the ME says- one year as first estimate from the time she was found that would be when they got married.

    I also remember reading in one of the articles something to do with Judy being in a part of NC but she wouldn't know the area well. I'll have to find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaia227 View Post
    HA! I never thought of that. Good catch.
    Also the way I read the article, it seemed her clothes were untouched as if she wasn't there at all, so if she showered, where are her dirty clothes for the day she arrived?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaia227 View Post
    Was this really Judy or someone impersonating her?..
    The thought has crossed my mind that it was an impersonator. How to fool her kids though?

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    ......I could have sworn on Unsolved Mysteries it said they had decided to take their honeymoon in Philly ( I remember that because I thought since they live in Boston Philly doesn't seem like a real exciting place to go on a honeymoon - don't get me wrong, Philly is a great city I just mean it is similar to Boston) and then they said they did it in conjunction with his conference and I thought okay that makes more sense. However, it does not say anything about that on their website. I will try and find a video of the beginning to verify.

    I recall one of the female officers questioned if Judy was even there since none of her clothes had been worn. Her husband said she wore the same clothes they had traveled in - which could explain how he was able to give a description of what she was wearing. Her children said it was like her to not carry make-up with her. It is not clear if by 'no cosmetics' they mean only make-up or if they mean shampoo, razor, lotion, etc.
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    She could have worn the same clothes from the night before if that is all she wore them for.

    She was said to have on white tennis shoes when missing, but found with hiking boots as to seem she was a hiker.

    There is just so many questionable statements in this.

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