11-16-2008, 10:18 PM #1Former Member
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New Anthony Spokesperson: Caylee is alive! Presser planned #2
Please continue posting here. Just a heads up this is not going to turn into Caylee is alive thread we will stay on topic. There will be no further warning given.
11-16-2008, 10:42 PM #2
Not guilty does not mean innocent
Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching
Frankly, I don't see how you can say our conversations do not have a great deal of intellect to them. I believe there are some of the sharpest minds on the internet on this board and forum.
I have to question the motives now of people who do not understand, refuse to understand, or pretend not to understand that Caylee is indeed dead. That ship has sailed. LE confirmed it when they filed a HOMICIDE MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE charge along with a Manslaughter with Aggravating Circumstance charge against her mother!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daisy7:
[/quote]Bolded by me. I entirely agree with the first sentence!!!
Re: the second bolded sentence, an indictment is basically formally accusing KC of the crime. Personally, I will wait for the trial to see what happens. There are many indictments where the accused is found to be innocent (every time there is a "not guilty" verdict). Of course, there are also cases where the defendant has incorrectly been found guilty (check out http://www.innocenceproject.org).[/quote]
An indictment is the recommendation of a grand jury. The grand jury has made a finding that each and every element of each charged offense is supported by probable cause to believe the facts exist to support the elements of the crime and the crime as charged. So, it is not just an unsupported opinion. It is much more than that.
You said there are many indictments where the accused is found to be "innocent." Then, it appears you believe a "not guilty" verdict is the same as a judge or jury FINDING a defendant "innocent" as in they didn't do the crime.
This is a common misunderstanding. A "not guilty" verdict does not mean "innocent." A "not guilty" verdict simply means the state government did not present a case where the judge or jury found each element of each crime as charged proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Truely guilty people can be found "not guilty." It means it is a final resolution of the state's criminal prosecution effort; nothing more.
Remember the OJ Simpson case where he was found "not guilty" of the criminal charges, BUT in the civil case that followed by the victims' families where the standard of proof was "probable cause" (there is probable cause to believe the facts supported the wrongs charged in the civil complaint) ... as opposed to "beyond a reasonable doubt"? In the civil case, the jury found OJ had committed the wrongful death -- in that he killed the victims and therefore the families were entitled to a huge money judgement. So, one can be found "not guilty" but still have done the act of killing or whatever the wrong.
Last edited by Themis; 11-16-2008 at 10:53 PM. Reason: Added title.
11-17-2008, 12:01 AM #3
Just jumping in to say that, at this particular point in time, the only way I will believe that Caylee is alive, is if she appears in front of a television camera, preferably standing in front of a church where, hopefully, the As wouldn't dare lie, with about 20 kazillion verifiable, credible witnesses, who place their hands on a Bible and swear that it is really, truly, Caylee, and that she is, in fact, alive and breathing.
I'm so disgusted and repulsed by this family that I could just barf.Unless substantiated with a link, all comments are nothing more than my personal opinion. And opinions are like, well, noses; we all have one.
11-17-2008, 12:11 AM #4
Last edited by daisy7; 11-17-2008 at 12:17 AM. Reason: typo
11-17-2008, 12:38 AM #5
Do we have an exact time pinned for this press conference yet? I want to be sure to be around!
*Off topic, but does anyone know where I can find a pic of Casey in those white sunglasses that she bought with one of AH's forged checks? THANKS!Monster; noun: any animal or human grotesquely deviating from the normal shape, behavior or character, someone who excites horror by wickedness or cruelty. see; Casey Anthony
*Justice for C.M.A*
11-17-2008, 12:55 AM #6
In post # 5 above: (Themis) Then, it appears you believe a "not guilty" verdict is the same as a judge or jury FINDING a defendant "innocent" as in they didn't do the crime. (Daisy7) I'm not sure why you think this, as I never said this. I just said that I will wait to see what happens at the trial.
In the last thread, Daisy7 said: "Re: the second bolded sentence, an indictment is basically formally accusing KC of the crime. Personally, I will wait for the trial to see what happens. There are many indictments where the accused is found to be innocent (every time there is a "not guilty" verdict). Of course, there are also cases where the defendant has incorrectly been found guilty (check out http://www.innocenceproject.org)." [Emphasis added.]
The above quote is why I thought you said this.
In a criminal trial, the jury does not find the defendant "innocent." The choices are "guilty" or "not guilty." Not guilty does not mean innocent.
The legal burdens between criminal and civil trials of beyond a reasonable doubt and preponderance of the evidence are different standards of proof. Agreed.
I don't know who originated the quote but it is good. The evolution of the current system of jurisprudence is a fascinating history; so intertwined with the human experience it basically defines us.
11-17-2008, 01:02 AM #7
"Bart said a press conference will be held later this week, when the Anthonys intend to release information about leads which they believe indicate that Caylee is still alive.
"We thought it necessary to wait for the Anthony's attorney, Mark (NeJame), to get back from his trip, so we could have a panel of all those involved ... that the media will want to ask questions to," Bart said"Disclaimer: All posts are my own humble opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
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11-17-2008, 01:12 AM #8
11-17-2008, 01:20 AM #9
where did Casey put her baby after she killed her. Just because these people are living in another realm of reality doesn't mean the general public will be nibbling on their propaganda show.Neighborhood Watch is...
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11-17-2008, 01:23 AM #10I have a constitutional right to my opinion and I am stating it!!!!!
11-17-2008, 01:28 AM #11Inactive
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Yes, it is always a good idea to wait for your lawyer before you lie..eh ...I mean release information that could help people find your missing granddaughter, Cindy. Good thinking!
11-17-2008, 01:32 AM #12
Even if they choose to sugar coat that the 'kidnapper' is a person who loves Caylee, this is a terrible world and you can never know. As such, the normal reaction would NOT be to smile and shrug it off -- that you calmly choose to wait until you hear something official from the authorities. Hinky off the scale.
Also, there were two recent comments on planting evidence, one that supposedly came from TM to CA about cow bones and, another that CA suggests there are indications LP planted the toys/bones.
1. Why even go there? What purpose does it serve to CA if Caylee is alive, why does she even care? Sounds like another pizza counter move.
2. If LP had planted anything, or anyone did, they'd be dumb because they'd get some initial fame that would quickly turn into nasty press and charges once it was determined the bones were animal / not Caylee and the toys had only been under water hours. Why risk everything for brief fame?
Idiots may have planted the cow bones for grins but anyone investing time, money and, reputation isn't going to be so stupid.
The acting is not plausible and causes great pause, with both CA/GA and KC reactions -- I would be an emotional wreck and feel I had dodged a bullet once it was stated to be a false alarm!!!! They are too calm and collected.Disclaimer: All posts are my own humble opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
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11-17-2008, 01:37 AM #13Neighborhood Watch is...
NOT the Vigilante Police
11-17-2008, 01:41 AM #14
11-17-2008, 01:50 AM #15
I would love to think Caylee is having a fun time traveling and eating at McDonalds, unfortunately, she's not-unless they have McDonalds in Heaven! I have never seen the kind of reaction from a missing childs family. In fact, I have seen way more emotion in custody disputes. I think some of the posters tonight and some today sounded alittle bit defensive concerning the A's and KFN. I think all the great investigative work and very intuitive thinking might just be hitting a nerve or two!
Maybe they're paying attention and thats why the A's cancelled on NG Fri. and the press conference is apparently now to be announced for "sometime" this week!
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