What do you think about photo 4 at http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/green_river/know/ and http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/100ufor.html? They resemble each other to me
Identified! OR - Tulatin, WhtFem 100UFOR, Ridgeway Victim, Apr'85 Angela Girdner
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Photo #4 on left, Jane Doe on Right
2Sisters they do indeed look like each other, and I suspect the authorities think they are the same person. Both have been identified as possible victims of the Green River Killer.
Problem is they don't know the identity of either person. In the first case, Photo #4 they know there was a girl going by the name Angel or Angela. They are trying to find out who she actually was - as in her real name. If they do that, they can they try to match that ID to the body of Jane Doe (sadly that is going to be tough... did you read about what happened to the body?).
Its the same story for this case:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/99ufwa.html
Photo #6 on left, and Jane Doe on right
Again both victims are identified as possible victims of the Green River Killer. It addition their height matches. Photo #6 may go by the name Patricia. Is Jane Doe Patricia too?
Sadly, there probably isn't much family out there looking for these girls. There could be but more than likely they were estranged from family. If girl #4 is the Jane Doe from Oregon and then he could get the death penalty in theory b/c he has no deal with the authorities there right?
Yes, I read that the remains were lost so I'm guessing that means she won't ever be IDed? Sadly that was they was the case with a couple Ted Bundy victims as well.
Yes, I read that the remains were lost so I'm guessing that means she won't ever be IDed? Sadly that was they was the case with a couple Ted Bundy victims as well.
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I don't know how the deal was worded.... so I don't know if they could prosecute him after an ID would be made.
They do have partial fingerprints so maybe that would be enough???? Don't know.
It would be nice if SOMEONE who knew these girls would come forward. It doesn't have to be family. Maybe a friend? A former teacher? A store owner that cashed a check because they knew the girl from the neighborhood? Even a former boyfriend! Just point the authorities in the right direction and they WILL check it out! These girls were part of society. Someone DOES know them.
They do have partial fingerprints so maybe that would be enough???? Don't know.
It would be nice if SOMEONE who knew these girls would come forward. It doesn't have to be family. Maybe a friend? A former teacher? A store owner that cashed a check because they knew the girl from the neighborhood? Even a former boyfriend! Just point the authorities in the right direction and they WILL check it out! These girls were part of society. Someone DOES know them.
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PonderingThings said:
I personally know that they're actively seeking to pin another murder onhim to get the death penalty. I can't believe there wasn't more uproar when they gave him the sweetheart deal of life in prison....
but it was agreed upon with Ridgway that he confesses to the 49 WITHOUT getting further / future preference for anyother crimes NOT DISCLOSED TO HIM. It was to get him to close the books on as many as possible. The problem with him is that his 'memory' wasn't great. He couldn't remember many names OR even their faces when it came to determining how many he killed. Even he has admitted that it's probably far more than whats on the books. Theres probably MANY missing prostitutes that are not officially considered dead, just missing.....
Its a horror show all around.
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One of the very things that attracts a serial killer to prostitutes is because no one (including LE) pays attention. They go missing, it is assumed that they met a man or moved on somewhere, and that is that. Thus they can keep on killing without suspicion. Unless or until bodies start showing up, no one notices, often they are never reported missing.
In Vancouver,
Pickton killed more than 60, and there was a public outcry, before LE would even look at it. Even then, they tried to put it off. Many families were also slow to report them missing....there were a couple victims the LE had to track down the families to ask them to complete the missing reports.
In Vancouver,
Pickton killed more than 60, and there was a public outcry, before LE would even look at it. Even then, they tried to put it off. Many families were also slow to report them missing....there were a couple victims the LE had to track down the families to ask them to complete the missing reports.
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NO PHOTO AVAILABLE
Unidentified Female
BODY FOUND: 6/2003
DOB:
APPROXIMATE AGE: 13-24
HEIGHT:
WEIGHT:
HAIR:
EYES:
RACE: White
CONTACT: Detective Tom Jensen
King County Sheriff's Office
Major Crimes Unit
Green River Homicides Investigation
206-296-7530
Thomas.Jensen@kingcounty.gov
SUMMARY: Female 13 – 24 years of age.
These remains were found after extensive searching of site pointed out by GARY RIDGWAY in June of 2003. Minimal skeletal remains were recovered ( 23 bones and three teeth; no skull or mandible). Dental records are available and a DNA profile has been developed by the University of North Texas and placed into CODIS. DNA is consistent with female. Anthropologists could not determine race. Deceased between 10 and 20 years and could date back to the 1970’s. DOB range would therefore be between 1957 and 1980. GARY LEON RIDGWAY admitted to this murder, pled guilty and is serving life in prison.
Unidentified Female
BODY FOUND: 6/2003
DOB:
APPROXIMATE AGE: 13-24
HEIGHT:
WEIGHT:
HAIR:
EYES:
RACE: White
CONTACT: Detective Tom Jensen
King County Sheriff's Office
Major Crimes Unit
Green River Homicides Investigation
206-296-7530
Thomas.Jensen@kingcounty.gov
SUMMARY: Female 13 – 24 years of age.
These remains were found after extensive searching of site pointed out by GARY RIDGWAY in June of 2003. Minimal skeletal remains were recovered ( 23 bones and three teeth; no skull or mandible). Dental records are available and a DNA profile has been developed by the University of North Texas and placed into CODIS. DNA is consistent with female. Anthropologists could not determine race. Deceased between 10 and 20 years and could date back to the 1970’s. DOB range would therefore be between 1957 and 1980. GARY LEON RIDGWAY admitted to this murder, pled guilty and is serving life in prison.
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http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/100ufor.html
The Doe Network:
Case File 100UFOR
Sketch of Victim
Unidentified White Female Located on April 22, 1985 in Tualatin, Oregon
Cause of death was homicide.
She is believed to be a victim of the Green River Serial Killer.
Vital Statistics
Case History
The victim was found next to a golf course in Tualatin, Oregon. Next to her remains were the remains of Tammie C. Liles, who had last been seen June 9, 1983, at Third Avenue and Pine Street in downtown Seattle.
Investigators may never know the identity of the victim called "Oregon 1" or "Tualatin 1" for the past 17 years. The remains have gone missing, and the Oregon state Medical Examiner's Office in Portland can't account for them.
She is believed to be a victim of the Green River Serial Killer Gary Ridgeway
Investigators
If you have any information concerning this woman's identity, please contact:
Washington County Sheriff's Department
Violent Crimes Unit
Sgt. O'Connell
503-846-2500
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
Agency Case Number:
85-06094
NCIC Number:
U-262722740
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information:
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/Seattle Times
The Green River Killer Home Page
Washington County Sheriff's Department
The Doe Network:
Case File 100UFOR
Sketch of Victim
Unidentified White Female Located on April 22, 1985 in Tualatin, Oregon
Cause of death was homicide.
She is believed to be a victim of the Green River Serial Killer.
Vital Statistics
- Estimated age: 17 - 19 years old
- Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4 - 5'7"
- Distinguishing Characteristics: Unknown
- Dentals: Available (partial)
- Fingerprints: Not Available
- DNA: Not Available
Case History
The victim was found next to a golf course in Tualatin, Oregon. Next to her remains were the remains of Tammie C. Liles, who had last been seen June 9, 1983, at Third Avenue and Pine Street in downtown Seattle.
Investigators may never know the identity of the victim called "Oregon 1" or "Tualatin 1" for the past 17 years. The remains have gone missing, and the Oregon state Medical Examiner's Office in Portland can't account for them.
She is believed to be a victim of the Green River Serial Killer Gary Ridgeway
Investigators
If you have any information concerning this woman's identity, please contact:
Washington County Sheriff's Department
Violent Crimes Unit
Sgt. O'Connell
503-846-2500
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
Agency Case Number:
85-06094
NCIC Number:
U-262722740
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information:
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/Seattle Times
The Green River Killer Home Page
Washington County Sheriff's Department
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The remains have GONE MISSING! I wonder how often that happens?
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Hi
I think it would be good to have them checked.
suzanne
I think it would be good to have them checked.
suzanne
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http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/100ufor.html
The Doe Network:
Case File 100UFOR
Sketch of Victim
Unidentified White Female Located on April 22, 1985 in Tualatin, Oregon
Cause of death was homicide.
She is believed to be a victim of the Green River Serial Killer.
Vital Statistics
- Estimated age: 17 - 19 years old
- Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4 - 5'7"
- Distinguishing Characteristics: Unknown
- Dentals: Available (partial)
- Fingerprints: Not Available
- DNA: Not Available
Case History
The victim was found next to a golf course in Tualatin, Oregon. Next to her remains were the remains of Tammie C. Liles, who had last been seen June 9, 1983, at Third Avenue and Pine Street in downtown Seattle.
Investigators may never know the identity of the victim called "Oregon 1" or "Tualatin 1" for the past 17 years. The remains have gone missing, and the Oregon state Medical Examiner's Office in Portland can't account for them.
She is believed to be a victim of the Green River Serial Killer Gary Ridgeway
Investigators
If you have any information concerning this woman's identity, please contact:
Washington County Sheriff's Department
Violent Crimes Unit
Sgt. O'Connell
503-846-2500
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
Agency Case Number:
85-06094
NCIC Number:
U-262722740
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information:
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/Seattle Times
The Green River Killer Home Page
Washington County Sheriff's Department
The victim is Angela Marie Girdner. She was identified this december.
http://www.oregonlive.com/tualatin/...d_in_tualatin_in_1985_finally_identified.html
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/december152009/murder_85.php
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I notice in the article that they seem to have doubts now about whether Ridgeway killed her.
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OK, here it is - the side-by-side comparison between the forensic drawing and Angela Marie Girdner.
The resemblance is pretty close, especially since they had only skeletal remains upon which to base the drawing.
The resemblance is pretty close, especially since they had only skeletal remains upon which to base the drawing.
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From what I can tell, there are still three unidentified victims of Ridgeway, all of which are mentioned on this thread. The fourth, mentioned earlier in this thread (400UFOR) was identified as Angela Marie Girdner.
97UFWA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/97ufwa.html
98UFWA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/98ufwa.html
99UFWA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/99ufwa.html (IDENTIFIED)
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ETA: I put up a possible for 98UFWA (Pollyanne Carter), but I deleted it out after realizing that although this UID was said to have been found in 1986, some of the remains were found in 1984 prior to the MP's disappearance.
97UFWA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/97ufwa.html
98UFWA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/98ufwa.html
99UFWA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/99ufwa.html (IDENTIFIED)
ETA: I put up a possible for 98UFWA (Pollyanne Carter), but I deleted it out after realizing that although this UID was said to have been found in 1986, some of the remains were found in 1984 prior to the MP's disappearance.
Ambercat
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Was she the "Angie" referred to on the King County website who was a friend of Tammy Liles or that is someone else?
http://www.kingcounty.gov/safety/sheriff/Enforcement/Investigations/GreenRiver.aspx
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That is a good theory. Angela fits the physical description given, and she disappeared during the summer of '83 (like "Angie"). Maybe Ridgway is telling the truth and didn't kill Angela and Tammie; perhaps a friend or associate of the girls is responsible for their murders.
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*Bump*
B-20 was, as stated above in the quote, pointed out by Ridgway, who also admitted to her murder, in 2003, but her skull was found alongside Angela Girdner's remains in Oregon in 1985, which absolutely connects him to Angela's murder, as well. Looks like ol' Gary boy played himself!
Tammie Liles' WS thread as a Jane Doe:
www.websleuths.com
B-20 Jane Doe has been identified as Tammie Liles.
B-20 was, as stated above in the quote, pointed out by Ridgway, who also admitted to her murder, in 2003, but her skull was found alongside Angela Girdner's remains in Oregon in 1985, which absolutely connects him to Angela's murder, as well. Looks like ol' Gary boy played himself!
Tammie Liles' WS thread as a Jane Doe:
WA - WA - Kent, UnsFem 13-24, UP9930, SK G Ridgeway Victim "B20", Aug'03
Gary Ridgway may have begun his spree as the Green River Killer in the 1970s -- years earlier than thought, a veteran investigator said Monday. That could mean Ridgway has even more victims. King County investigator Tom Jensen said that if the woman known in court papers as Jane Doe "B20"...
www.websleuths.com
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Hoping that one day we get at least a statement that Ridgway is considered responsible for Angela's murder. Anyone looking into the case after Tammie's identification should be able to see Ridgway also murdered Angela.