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    Trisha! Was that you????????????????????
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    I just heard that tooo!!! Tricia? fess up LOL

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    Ouch!

    How is it that John heard the first part of the question, but totally missed the second part?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casshew
    I just heard that tooo!!! Tricia? fess up LOL
    And it was about the bogus foundation, which Patsy claimed, only recently donating 1,000 dollars to a children's camp.

    Is the IRS aware of this?
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    $1000 and they have a private plane?

    Break out the bubbly.....
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    John claimed not to have heard the second question, which had to do with Judge Carnes not having had access to the police files when she supported the Intruder theory.

    imo

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    Selective hearing disorder. My kids have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy
    John claimed not to have heard the second question, which had to do with Judge Carnes not having had access to the police files when she supported the Intruder theory.

    imo
    Too bad LKL didn't pursue it! I wanted to hear John's reply.

    I wonder if Patsy has the time to work the Foundation into her busy schedule....shouldn't be too hard with her website thingie.

    Quite frankly I thought John came off like an Enron executive....not giving any real answers and skirting the issues.

    Heck I learned about Patsy's cancer than John's campaign.
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    The **ll John didn't hear the 2nd part of that question!
    He just didn't want to answer it!
    Does he really think that the TRUTH is not going to get out?
    Way to go whoever called in those 2 terrific questions!!! (He sure stammered over the JonBenet Foundation answer.... it was patheic really. And Patsy's "save" regarding the $1,000 to the camp was IMO nothing more than action taken recently on their part in anticipation of being ASKED about the Foundation. Too little, too late guys.....

    This may very well be the best opportunity to date for getting the Ramseys on the spot to answer tough questions regarding the murder and cover-up of their daughter. Politics will do that. Why would they INVITE it?
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    John must be very thankful that Patsy is running with him. I mean, um, standing with him...so she can answer the tough questions.
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    I just read an article that stated that the reason the Ramseys left Georgia and moved to Michigan was so that Burke could "finish high school there."
    That's a pretty big move from one high school to another.

    What was so wrong with him going to his high school in Georgia?

    I still say something is up with that.
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    How can the non existing Foundation make a recent donation to the kids' camp? Does the foundation exist or not?

    Can the Ramsey's ever one one good deed or give a donation without giving themselves kudos in a book or on TV?


    KKK I believe John heard the question...but Patsy forgot to answer it. John's opponents ought to check out the forums, and the people of Charlevioux. John was NOT honest in his answers.
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    It Was Indeed Tricia

    There is a thread going on about it at FFJ.

    John Ramsey became very disoriented by getting a question he didn't expect.
    Larry's screener will be in trouble over that one.

    Ramsey is a robot: he can only speak from a prepared script. He interjects an "er" or "ummm" every three seconds.

    And people actually pay money to listen to him at those Christian banquets?

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    Patsy

    Did anyone else think Patsy looked pretty bad? It looked like she had circles under her eyes and she's lost weight. I guess the chemo has been pretty rough on her. No matter what, I don't like to see anyone suffer.

    I think John heard the question too. That's an old trick. If you don't want to answer, pretend you didn't hear the question and maybe something will happen in the meantime so you never have to answer. In this case, "Patsy" is what happened in the meantime. She sure jumped right in there didn't she? And she looked kinda pissed off when she first started talking about the foundation and the donation. I wonder if her nerves are going to be able to handle a political campaign. I also wonder if they're still both taking antidepressants.

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    Patsy Looked OK

    It's understandable that she would be very tired after the big rally yesterday, the morning TV interviews, etc. She is very thin. But she is still feisty, as we all saw after the Foundation question.

    She became very animated when an old friend-Marvella, Marcella, or something-called in from Kentucky to wish her well.

    I don't think Patsy is on antidepressants any more. She was thinking and speaking more clearly tonight than I have seen her do in a long time.

    She and Tammy Faye have the same attitude about the cancer: they're gonna live 'til they die. I can see where Patsy would be a good motivational speaker for those with cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petronella
    It's understandable that she would be very tired after the big rally yesterday, the morning TV interviews, etc. She is very thin. But she is still feisty, as we all saw after the Foundation question.

    She became very animated when an old friend-Marvella, Marcella, or something-called in from Kentucky to wish her well.

    I don't think Patsy is on antidepressants any more. She was thinking and speaking more clearly tonight than I have seen her do in a long time.

    She and Tammy Faye have the same attitude about the cancer: they're gonna live 'til they die. I can see where Patsy would be a good motivational speaker for those with cancer.
    I thought Patsy looked very well actually. It's quite amazing to me that she is still around after being diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer! My mom lived 6 1/2 yrs after being diagnosed with the same. My heart goes out to Patsy - guilty of involvement in the murder or not - and her cancer battle.
    She mentioned having a CA125 of just 8. That is VERY good. (You are fine up until a reading of 35.)
    I am really quite impressed that she has the spunk and fortitude to start her own business with going through 3 chemo treatments recently and knowing she could die of cancer in 6 months. I know I could not do it.

    I still don't understand why they would want to bring scrutiny on themselves again though. Especially in politics where they are fair game and Lin Wood cannot sue them for slander!
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    Did anyone else notice that John's eyes were blinking a mile and minute, Patsy had a glued on smile that did not change...and John said they hoped to raise MORE money than they did from the lawsuits ?

    What does the lawsuits have to do with the book cover? AND how come Lin Wood tells the world he's made more money on the Ramsey case than Darnay has made in his entire career?

    Who is lying and who is telling the truth?

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    Yep it was me. I had about a million questions to ask but I knew he wouldn't expect the question about the Foundation or the civil case.

    Patsy Ramsey out and out lied about the Foundation. The Foundation does not exist. Even though their book claims the proceeds are going to their foundation.

    I have a feeling the people who are running against Ramsey won't let him slide by like Larry did tonight.

    I just watched the tape. I heard my second question just fine.

    Keep up the great posting everyone. Both sides are welcome. I really do like hearing logical and calm discussions from everyone.

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    Fleet

    .............. I wonder what Fleet, the letter writer, will have to contribute to Johns campaign................?

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    Quote Originally Posted by K777angel

    I still don't understand why they would want to bring scrutiny on themselves again though.
    Some people have big needs.

    There's a character in the Tibetin Book of the Dead (I think); a ravenous ghost. It has a huge belly and a pinpoint mouth, must eat, must eat...

    Alexander the insatiable.

    Small wonder these two found each other.

    I look forward to whatever they do, spilling beans all the way.

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    What a positive, upbeat couple. Considering the hell they've been through over the past 12 years (Beth, cancer, JonBenét, more cancer, false accusations, more cancer, parental deaths, more cancer), their positive attitude is remarkable, uplifting, and worthy of respect and admiration. Many would slink off into the sunset with a bottle of anti-depressants, a blankie, and their thumb.

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    ALLLRIIIGGGHHHTTT Tricia!!! Way to go!

    I thought Patsy looked very good, better than the last few years.

    What I want to know, since I bought the paperback book that claims proceeds will go to the JonBenet Ramsey Foundation, did the money go to the Foundation, or the Ramsey's pockets or a lawyer's pockets?

    It was on the best seller's list, so I doubt I'm the only person in the world who bought the paperback edition.
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    can Someone Post The Transcripts????? Tricia, Can You Share With Us The Transcripts Posted By Justin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIBRO
    What a positive, upbeat couple. Considering the hell they've been through over the past 12 years (Beth, cancer, JonBenét, more cancer, false accusations, more cancer, parental deaths, more cancer), their positive attitude is remarkable, uplifting, and worthy of respect and admiration. Many would slink off into the sunset with a bottle of anti-depressants, a blankie, and their thumb.
    I think I'll rephrase all this:

    What a couple. Considering the hell they have put THEMSELVES through along with others who are innocent but still under scrutiny, their positive attitude is nothing more than a cause for resentment for those who would like to see this couple take more of an interest in the murder of their daughter. What is remarkable is that they think they are above it all and that their faux Christianity will be cause for respect and admiration.

    Yes, many would slink off into the sunset, but #1- not their style to be out of the limelight and #2 - They have purchased their way into not having to worry about being in the limelight. AND....who knows about the anti depressants, alcohol, etc. They may still partake in secret like the other things they have done.
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    KING: We welcome to LARRY KING LIVE, good to see them again, Antrim City, Michigan, John and Patsy Ramsey, the parents of JonBonet Ramsey who was found strangled in the basement of their home in Boulder, Colorado,

    Seems hard to believe, December 26, 1996. The Ramsey's are joining us tonight from Stone Waters Inn in Bell Aire, Michigan, where John has kicked of his campaign for a Michigan House seat.

    Why, John, why politics?

    JOHN RAMSEY, PARENTS OF LATE JONBENET RAMSEY: When we lost JonBonet, our life changed. Certainly that changed a lot of what was important to us. We realized a lot of things we thought important weren't important. But any parent who's lost a child knows what I'm talking about. More, in addition to that, through the next four or five years, hundreds and hundreds of people reached out to us with compassion, caring, sympathy. People took time out of their lives to reach out to us. And what we realized, were these people fellow strugglers, they were dealing with difficult issues in life. It opened our eyes to a different world than we had really been sensitive to. I think those two events really gave me a compassion to try to help my fellow man. All of a sudden I realized selling computers wasn't that important. And -- as we tried to work through that issue, how do we do that?

    This door opened, let's go through it and see if that's what we're supposed to be doing. As we look at it, it's a way we can serve our fellow citizens, make a difference here in northern Michigan and so far so good.

    KING: Why Michigan, is that where you grew up?

    J. RAMSEY: Well, I did. Most people think of me, don't know me otherwise as the guy from Colorado, but we actually only lived there four years. I moved to Michigan when I was 12, went to junior high school, high school, college here, went off to the navy, came back for a master's degree and than left to find my fortune. And that's frankly a problem we have in Michigan, we export a lot of our youth. That's one of our objectives is to see if we can help with the issues of jobs and job retention. That's not a unique problem toward Michigan but the rest of the country as well.

    KING: Patsy, John mentioned the loss of a child, one can only mention how tragic that is. But you had a double thing going, not only did you lose a child, but you're accused by many as being the cause of the child's death.

    Is this going to help coming through that?

    PATSY RAMSEY, MOTHER OF JONBENET RAMSEY: I think we've already coming through that. Naturally, we're still hopeful and have every hope that the killer will be caught. But we have to get on with our lives. Like John said yesterday, we will not let evil prevail. This family has a lot to live for. We have a lot to contribute. We have coming through some difficult times. And the people of northern Michigan have stood the test of time with us. They have been walking side by side with us for years. And we just love Charlevoix, and the whole northern Michigan area so much, so John is really committed to these people, to return some of the good that they've sent into our lives over the past seven years.

    KING: In that matter what do you make of the story today, Patsy, the tabloids may be changing. They used to attack you all the time. Now, there's a big story in one, the killer was actually -- they found the killer and he committed suicide.

    How do you react to that?

    P. RAMSEY: I tell you, I really don't read the tabloids. I really, don't put a whole lot of faith in that. I really think they just sometimes write things to sell newspapers. But we have more important things to deal with than reading the tabloids everyday.

    KING: You're not hopeful in that regard maybe the killer was found and maybe he has passed away, maybe this is a conclusion.

    P. RAMSEY: You can say maybe, maybe, maybe this, maybe that. We know the DNA evidence is very strong. We have been told they've the killer's DNA and that the killer can be found and will be found. So, there's no reason to speculate until the time that the people in authority and the district attorney's office say that they have apprehended the murderer.

    KING: Do you keep in touch with them John, on a regular basis?

    J. RAMSEY: They update us periodically, which we're very grateful for. And we certainly tell them anything they need from us, we will comply with instantly. But not on a daily basis. You know, once very month or so.

    KING: Patsy, how you doing?

    Reports you had a serious illness. You have cancer. Get us up to date.

    P. RAMSEY: I had a doctor's appointment today. A really great report. No change of the last CT scan. I do have a recurrence ovarian cancer. My CA-125, for those of you who know about the silent symptoms of ovarian cancer, the CA-125 was an 8, which is very, very good. And I feel so good I've been working everyday in my new business. I started a new business in Charlevoix, webbookusa.com. And I'm in there everyday working. It's a Web site directory online and in print that brings local focus to small to medium companies much like the ones that are here in northwest Michigan, specifically like the Stone Water Inn we're here in Belliare tonight. We discovered on webbookusa.com. So...

    KING: Isn't ovarian cancer most of the times a killer?

    P. RAMSEY: Well, cancer is not a death sentence any longer. Fortunately we have wonderful medications. Chemotherapy is a tough road to hoe, I have to tell you that. But it is -- I'm grateful we have it. I respond very well to chemotherapy. I have a genetic form of ovarian cancer and do respond very well. So, that and the power of prayer. I believe God is still in the healing business, and he has a lot left for me to do on this earth. I will leave it in his hands. KING: What's -- what's the prognosis as of today?

    P. RAMSEY: Larry, I say to everybody that asks me what is my prognosis, I say, it's the same as yours. Everybody's going to live until they die. Nobody knows that until God decides when that is.

    KING: We're all terminal.

    P. RAMSEY: You're absolutely right.

    KING: We're going to take a break. I'm going to ask John Ramsey about running in a race, how he thinks the race might play out, what people might say about him or opposed to that. We'll also see a sample of his commercial. We'll also include some of your phone calls with the Ramsey's.

    Don't go away.

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    J. RAMSEY: I've very excited to tell you, we have filed the paperwork today and we're off and running for the opportunity to serve the citizens in northern Michigan as your next representative in state legislature.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

    KING: By the way, just to get things up to date, the status of the murder investigation, a federal judge and new Boulder D.A. have said that the weight of the evidence now is more consistent with the intruder theory than any other theory.

    John is running for public office. He's running for the statehouse in the state of Michigan. Here's a sample of that campaign. Let's look at a TV commercial. Watch.

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    J. RAMSEY: My name is John Ramsey. I'm running for state representative from Northern Michigan. My family has been in Michigan for nearly 50 years. But sadly, most of you know my name only from the tragic death of my daughter JonBenet. Were it not for our faith, the grief of that event and the veil of suspicion cast upon us would have destroyed our family.

    The federal judge, the district attorney and new DNA evidence have confirmed that these accusations were groundless. But we were left to pick up the pieces.

    This episode gave me a great sensitivity to the plight of so many other families, here in our community and across the country. People victimized by crime, people who lost their jobs, had their dignity stripped away, young already people disillusioned by government.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    KING: And of course, the supportramsey.com is that bullet point at the bottom of the commercial.

    John, how do you think that will play? The death of your daughter, how's it going to play in this race?

    J. RAMSEY: You know, we think that -- we hope that most people understand the facts of this case now, a lot of significant changes took place about a year or so ago. Certainly, there was an avalanche of accusation for a number of years.

    What we found, we found this really for the last eight years, people treat us wonderfully, with compassion, with sympathy. People asked us long ago, what's it like to be out in public. It's wonderful to be in public, people are so kind.

    So, we have never, with rare exception, felt anything but compassion from our fellow man. How that plays out in an election, I don't know. My task, I think, is to let people know what I would like to do, and how I think I can help. If they choose that for me, they can do that, great. So -- go ahead.

    KING: Couldn't one have easily said, John, why not just go away? You go into the night, start a new life, your wife is ill, fighting through that, live a life out, why go back into the public eye.

    J. RAMSEY: Well Larry, we have to keep swinging until they haul us away in box. That's one of my fundamental philosophies in life. We're not going to give up. We're not going to make the highlight of our day going to the post office. I think we've got more to contribute than that.

    And I think the real question for us is how do we contribute and how do we make as significant contribution as we can make.

    You know, I've really changed in from being focused on really personal success to how do I make a difference in the community that I live? It's not matter of what used to be important to me. I'm not interested in building a company again, or rebuilding assets or getting a bigger home. Life's gotten a lot more sober for me, but a lot more real. That's a gift that my daughter's gave me.

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