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12-04-2008, 01:52 AM #101Former Member
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12-04-2008, 01:59 AM #102Former Member
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There is no evidence, at all, supported by case documents or anything else released to date that would quantify throwing AH under the bus as a possible accomplice for Caylee's death, much less any plans to murder the elder A's.
Not that KC might not have had such plans, just that it makes no sense whatsoever to me to hear victims/friends of KC's (i.e. AH, JG, TL) get tossed under the bus over and over again.
12-04-2008, 12:06 PM #103
I think with all the gas cans she was buying and stealing, I think she burned Caylee's body.
12-04-2008, 12:17 PM #104
12-05-2008, 11:02 PM #105
I read so much about this case, that I have dreams about it now. One of my recent dreams I wanted to post here. I had a dream of KC holding a towel over Caylee face and a stuffed animal on top of the towel. KC was smothering Caylee face and Caylee little body was jerking around as if she was trying to break free. KC was actually crying and saying I'm sorry until Caylee stopped moving. I woke up freaked out, but I think that could be a possibilty on how she killed her.
12-10-2008, 11:06 AM #106
Accidental drowning while Casey distracted
I believe that several folks on this board have suggested that Caylee died due to an accidental drowning in her parent's pool. When that happened, a fuse blew in Casey's brain and she went down the path of trying to hide her negligence.
I think some evidence in the latest document dump points to a distinct possibility that an accident occurred at the parent's home the afternoon of June 16. I will repost what I wrote on the Computer Forensics thread (with a couple additional comments), and then tie in a statement made to the female bounty hunter, as well as offer a further hypothesis regarding the source of the chloroform.
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On pages 2844 and 2845 are two screen shots of a computer forensic application called Encase Law Enforcement. It appears that this program is reporting the number of files that were created / written / accessed / modified / deleted. The data is summarized to show hourly activity on the HP desktop and Compaq laptop by hour for the days of June 16 and June 17. Although we do not know exactly what each "dot" means in the plot, we can use the information to see a relative usage pattern.
I am going to make the following assumptions:
1) The HP desktop always stays in the Anthony home
2) The Compaq laptop traveled around with Casey
3) Cindy's working hours ~ 8-5 PM so not at home during that time
4) George's working hours ~ 2-10 PM so not at home during that time
5) Cindy clearly used computer for email and managing social networking page
6) Not sure what George's usage of computer was, but reasonable to assume he surfed as well.
Looking back at the screen shot, although we do not know exactly what each "dot" means in the plot, we can use the information to see a relative usage pattern. What I have done below is show the relative usage of the two computers, as reported by EnCase. The 100% from 9-10 PM on the 17th for the Compaq computer means that was the most active computer usage for either computer during the two days. A 49% from 12-1 AM on the 16th for the desktop means the computer was roughly half as active as the previous example.
HP Desktop Compaq Laptop 16-Jun 12AM 1AM 49% ***** 7AM 8AM 74% ******* 8AM 9AM 15% ** 10AM 11AM 80% ******** 11AM 12PM 49% ***** 0% 1PM 2PM 1% 2PM 3PM 82% ******** 1% 4PM 5PM 1% 11PM 12AM 23% ** 17-Jun 12AM 1AM 3% 1AM 2AM 6% * 3AM 4AM 36% **** 4AM 5AM 5% * 8AM 9AM 5% * 12PM 1PM 26% *** 1PM 2PM 3% 2PM 3PM 80% ******** 4PM 5PM 13% * 7PM 8PM 54% ***** 8PM 9PM 44% **** 9PM 10PM 100% ********** 10PM 11PM 65% ***** 11PM 12AM 6% *
The HP computer had relatively light usage on the 17th. I believe this was likely indicative of the parent's computer usage. The 11PM to 1AM usage into the 17th is probably Cindy, and after that is probably George - based on when each has to get up for work in the AM. Yes, seems odd for George, but maybe he was surfing Websleuths.
KC was a very active user, based on what we see with the Compaq on the 17th. Thus, based on the level of activity and the assumptions I listed above, I humbly conclude the following:
KC spent the night of the 15th / morning of the 16 at her parents. She is very active on the HP in the morning, probably before Caylee gets up. Caylee gets up between 8 and 9, usage drops. Caylee then plays or watches TV from 9-10 while Casey gets back on the computer until noon.
From noon to 2 PM there is no HP activity, supporting George's statements he saw the two and they left around 1 PM. However, from 2 to 3 - after George has left for work - the usage goes way up. This is the second most active period of either computer during this time. This indicates Casey returned to the parent's home.
Usage abruptly ends at 3 PM. Not only that, but the cell phone records indicate usage abruptly ends at the same time. I suspect Casey was preoccupied from 2 to 3 and not paying attention to Caylee. Around 3 PM, I submit, is when Casey discovers something awful happened to Caylee.
The minimal activity seen on the Compaq (and I do mean minimal) can easily be explained by the laptop being powered on and open and connected to the internet. This alone will cause some small number of files to be accessed and modified. Casey did not really need to be doing anything on the computer.
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Now recall that the female bounty hunter, Tracy, allegedly overhead Casey say "They haven't even found the clothes she was wearing" about those searching for Caylee.
I have been trying to figure out a reasonable explanation as to why Casey would remove Caylee's clothes. I believe such a statement might indicate that Casey, having already decided she needed to cover up her neglect but still in both shock and a panic, removed Caylee's wet clothes. She may have put Caylee in dry clothes, or maybe not. But I think it is those wet clothes that Casey discarded somewhere.
Wet clothes and perhaps a wet towel were then tossed in the trunk. Caylee was placed there as well. The wet things were eventually tossed somewhere, but remained in the trunk for some period of time. Therefore, to add further support to th accidental drowning theory, I offer this sentence from the Wisconsin Department of Health Services:
Chloroform can be formed during the break-down of chlorine-containing compounds, and may be found in in small amounts in chlorinated drinking or swimming pool water.
Some will note the "small amounts" portion of the above, but we do not know how heavily the Anthony's chlorinated their water. Also, I would bet that the small amount is way larger than what would normally be found in the trunk of a car.
12-10-2008, 11:16 AM #107"Defendant had access to the computer and it may be circumstantially inferred that she was the one who conducted the searches in question."
- Chief Judge Belvin Perry, April 27, 2011
"Furthermore, the statements are highly relevant, specifically regarding demonstrating conciousness of guilt. Moreover, the probative value of the statements is not outweighed by their prejudicial effect."
-Chief Judge Belvin Perry, March 18, 2011
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12-10-2008, 02:23 PM #108
JWG, I have already stated on the computer forensics thread that my own theory as to how and when Caylee died is similar to yours, and now you are also making the same theoretical link with the chloroform results as I have been pondering!
I have wondered whether chlorinated water in the stomach and/or lungs, together with that which might be absorbed by the skin and clothing, would result in the level of chloroform found in the air sample test, which was performed on the carpet samples themselves (presumably the stained area) and not the actual air in the trunk.
I realise there are apparently also computer searches for chloroform which require an explanation, but we don't yet know who actually performed those searches. Even if it was KC, there is a possibility that the search was in relation to something totally unconnected, e.g. adult drug use, or self-defence, or just out of curiosity. If anyone were to examine my PC searches, they would find all sorts of strange and potentially sinister and morbid search terms that I have done at one time or another, sometimes for a specific purpose and sometimes out of pure curiosity, but I sure haven't been planning any heinous crimes!Oh what a tangled web we weave,
when we set out to deceive!
12-10-2008, 02:47 PM #109
I saw this question asked on one of the forums I read.
Never saw an answer.
I'll ask here.....
Can anyone recall if GA said he saw Caylee walk out the house on June 16?
Or was Casey carrying her?
LP seems to think she died in the early hours....JMO, IMOO, JMHO
"Caylee's either coming home, or she's already gone home." (Richard Grund)
12-10-2008, 02:52 PM #110
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12-10-2008, 03:10 PM #112
I personally don't believe, if indeed Caylee drowned, that it was an accident. Why would Casey not report it if it was? Accidental drownings do happen. Besides, Casey acted way to happy after the fact and went to great lenghts to lie about her missing child being kidnapped. I'm not sure how Caylee died, hard for me to guess.
This post is my opinion only, and is subject to making me look totally confused
12-10-2008, 03:13 PM #113Registered User
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Just to be as clear as possible, the expert on Nancy Grace said due to the extremely high level of chloroform, what was in the trunk was pure chloroform, not an accidental byproduct of drowning or decomposition.
12-10-2008, 06:01 PM #116
I want to know what the "indent" was beside the swimming pool that GA showed to LE!!! He didn't even know what it was.
Why was the gate to the swimming pool left open and the ladder was still in the pool??Judge Stan Strickland "God didn't set Casey free - a jury did"
12-10-2008, 06:39 PM #117
12-10-2008, 06:57 PM #118
I remember CA giving her staement to Le staing they were getting the pool ready for the season. Wouldn't that mean high levels of chlorine from shocking the pool in early june.? Could Caylee have ingested those strong shocking chemicals? I feel JWG is spot on with time of death theory and possibly cause.
12-10-2008, 07:08 PM #119
I just did an exhaustive search on Nancy Grace transcripts and this is the best I could find:
NATISHA LANCE, PRODUCER, NANCY GRACE: Well, there were searches for chloroform on the computer. However, the chloroform that was found in the trunk, experts have said that it was in such a pure form that it couldn`t have come from any type of cleaning solvent or anything like that. It had to have come from a pure form of chloroform itself.
Local Chemist Calls Chloroform In Anthony’s Car ‘Definitive’
Sources with knowledge of the investigation told WESH 2 that air samples from Casey Anthony’s car came back positive for vaporized chloroform.
“I think it’s as significant or more significant than finding decomposition products,” chemist Jeff Flowers said.
Flowers has testified in state and federal court as an expert and said positive tests for vaporized chloroform mean those results could not have come from cleaning products, human body fluids or a mixture of anything else. Flowers said it had to have been pure chloroform.
“It could not have come from a chemical reaction in the trunk. It’s impossible. That solvent could knock out the driver of the car. It’s a very dangerous thing to have that material in your car,” Flowers said.
Note that Flowers is not on the currently available witness list and probably has not seen the detailed and final report. Without seeing the report, I don't think his particular claims are valid.
I humbly submit, therefore, that no one has truly (publicly) ruled out the possibility decomposing lungs filled with chlorinated water could have created chloroform concentrations far greater than what is typically seen in human decomposition.
12-10-2008, 07:17 PM #120
JWG--I agree that we can't say for sure it was pure chloroform. However, once I learned that there were searches for chloroform on the computer back in March 2008, when KC was just turning 21 and thinking she should be free to drink and party and play and not have to be a slave to her parents and child...I decided it would be too much of a coincidence if a terrible accident just happened to occur with Caylee 3 months later that ended up creating and mixing the necessary ingredients for chloroform in KC's trunk. But I am keeping in mind that it was not necessarily pure chloroform, because that means KC might have mixed it herself rather than having to find some source to buy/steal pure chloroform.
12-11-2008, 12:34 AM #121
One more time KC proving how omnipotent she is by carrying an unconscious or already deceased child out right under her fathers nose. Talk about the ultimate F*&$ you!Thank you my WS family for everything you do, everyday. You are loved and appreciated.
~Emma Leigh Barker~
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Stacey Barker - Guilty - Murder 1 - 5/24/11
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jmho as always
12-11-2008, 01:27 AM #122Registered User
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Great job! I do think the computer usage shows KC was home on those days/times. I also think the flurry of calls coincides with the death. I dont think it was a drowning and that the chloroform was the natural chemicals though. Dont forget KC researched the how to make chloform to the T and per her own admission it was "if there was a death it was an unwitting overdose of a sedative" that to me says it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My wonder lies in how after the defense drops that bombshell/admission she doesnt get convicted???? Its as if they never let that cat out of the bag! How does JB say now that she is 100% not guilty? Isnt anyone going to bring this up????
12-11-2008, 01:29 AM #123
12-11-2008, 02:54 AM #124Registered User
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So many threads (here is my theory)
So many threads on here about this case its hard to follow this case.Wish I would have gotten in here earlier during the first weeks of this case.
I consider myself a good read on body language and facial expressions.I have a take on this.
The more and more I watch the body language of Casee(sP) the more I feel she is protecting someone as much as she is guilty of killing her child.
I suspect she went to one of the family members,,either the brother or the father and told them she chloroformed the child so she could go out and party and it killed her.Then one of these two helped her dispose of the body.I do not believe that she could have done this alone.Its not like she has experience in burying bodies much less one of her own.
I am leaning towards the father.I saw the brother on Nancy Grace and his body language and facial expressions suggests that he is sincerely concerned for the child and is honestly looking for the child.
The father on the other hand seems to be detached from this.His interviews early on that have aired appears to me as someone that has rehearsed in his mind how he would answer questions to LE.Something really hit me when he talks about getting the lot attendant to check the trunk of the car with him.It smells fishy. Like he sat around for a couple of days planning a alibi.
12-11-2008, 11:14 AM #125
GA fron NG transcripts - August 15
GEORGE ANTHONY, GRANDFATHER:
"The gas can situation was someone had broken in to my shed, stolen my two gas cans.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Was it your daughter then that you found had taken them?
G. ANTHONY: All I can say is it was in front of her car. That`s all I can tell you. "
1)she didn't let me near her car trunk
2)I saw into the trunk and there was clothes
3)it was in the front of the car
Why 3 very different versions?...the humble opinion of Jo Schmo...0 number of Days Jury Deliberated for Caylee
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