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    Atlanta 2000

    This is from a transcript of Patsy's interview in LinWad's office during August 2000. IMO It contains very important information.

    4 Q. (By Mr. Levin) In June of 1998,
    5 you were interviewed by the Boulder D.A.'s
    6 office; right?
    7 A. That was Hannay, Mr. Hannay.
    8 Q. Yes. Mr. DeMouth?
    9 A. Yes.
    10 Q. Prior to commencing that
    11 interview, did you know that identifying the
    12 source of the Hi-Tec shoes was a priority
    13 for the investigation? That would be more
    14 than two years after, a year and a half
    15 after your daughter's murder.
    16 MR. WOOD: Are you asking her if
    17 she knew what was a priority in your all,
    18 the investigator's minds?
    19 MR. LEVIN: No, no, no. In her
    20 mind. Did she believe --
    21 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Did you believe,
    22 and if I didn't throw that in, I thought it
    23 was clear, did you believe that, in the
    24 course of the investigation, that identifying
    25 the source of the Hi-Tec shoes was important?
    0118
    1 A. Well, I would think it is
    2 important, yes. I mean, I can't remember at
    3 that time if I knew about the Hi-Tec shoes
    4 or not. I don't remember when all that
    5 surfaced.
    6 Q. You have since then, since 1998,
    7 become aware that the source of the Hi-Tec
    8 shoes is important?
    9 A. Yes.
    10 Q. You know that today?
    11 A. Yes.
    12 Q. And you thought that one of the
    13 things that made Helgoth viable was the fact
    14 that you believe he had Hi-Tec shoes?
    15 A. Correct.
    16 Q. Have you, whether it was before
    17 the interview in 1998 or subsequent to the
    18 interview in 1998, have you personally made
    19 attempts to find possible sources for the
    20 Hi-Tec shoe impression?
    21 A. You mean like ask around if
    22 anybody had --
    23 Q. Pick up the phone and call some
    24 friends, for example.
    25 A. I didn't, no.
    0119
    1 Q. Had you at any time, for example,
    2 some of the kids, like the Colby kids ever
    3 come over, did you ever go and just pick up
    4 the phone or walk across the alley and say,
    5 do you guys have Hi-Tec shoes? Did you ever
    6 do anything like that?
    7 MR. WOOD: You are assuming she
    8 may have learned about it at the time she
    9 still lived there. She told you she wasn't
    10 sure when she first learned that.
    11 THE WITNESS: No, I did not call
    12 the Colbys to ask if their children had --
    13 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Whether it was
    14 from Boulder or Atlanta?
    15 A. Right.
    16 Q. Okay. Did you sit down and
    17 discuss with Burke at any length whether or
    18 not he ever had Hi-Tec shoes?
    19 A. No.
    20 Q. Did it cross your mind that he
    21 might be the source of that, for the Hi-Tec
    22 shoes?
    23 A. No. Because my understanding was
    24 that it was an adult footprint. He was nine
    25 years old at the time.
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    1 Q. Do you know the source of your
    2 belief that it was an adult's foot,
    3 footprint?
    4 A. Whoever told me about it or
    5 wherever I learned it in the first place.
    6 Q. Did you get any details concerning
    7 how much of a shoe impression was present?
    8 A. No. It was just a footprint.
    9 Q. Did you take that to, to be a
    10 full footprint, and by that I mean like a
    11 shoe, a complete shoe impression?
    12 A. That is what I imagined, yes.
    13 Q. And that, whether you were told
    14 that directly or you just assumed that, you
    15 believe is the source of your belief that it
    16 was an adult's shoe?
    17 A. Yes.
    18 Q. You have been asked about whether
    19 or not anyone in your family owns Hi-Tec
    20 shoes or ever owned Hi-Tec shoes?
    21 A. Yes.
    22 Q. And I am not restating a
    23 question, Mr. Wood. And do you recall you
    24 said no one ever did?
    25 A. Yes.
    0121
    1 Q. You have had -- and that was in
    2 '98, more than two years ago. You have had
    3 an opportunity to, now that you are in
    4 possession of knowledge causing you to
    5 believe this is a significant fact in the
    6 investigation, you have had almost, we will
    7 assume, at least a year to rethink that.
    8 Have you given it some thought as to maybe
    9 someone in the family had Hi-Tec shoes?
    10 MR. WOOD: Are you asking her
    11 whether she thought about whether somebody in
    12 the family -- I mean, all of the prefatory
    13 comments leading up to that.
    14 Is the question, since June of
    15 1998, Ms. Ramsey, have you given any thought
    16 as to whether someone in your family had
    17 Hi-Tec shoes?
    18 MR. LEVIN: That is correct.
    19 That is the question.
    20 MR. WOOD: All right. You can
    21 answer that question.
    22 THE WITNESS: No.
    23 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Did you try, in
    24 your mind, and perhaps to assist your
    25 investigator, identify sources close to your
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    1 family that might be the origin of the
    2 Hi-Tec shoe impression?
    3 A. I think, you know, I may have
    4 asked Susan if she had ever seen any. I
    5 mean, I didn't, I don't know what a Hi-Tec
    6 boot looks like, per se. I have tried to
    7 kind of, as I am in shoe stores, look around
    8 trying to see what, what's the significance
    9 and special about a Hi-Tec boot, and I
    10 haven't, haven't even seen any yet. But I
    11 may have asked Susan, did you know anybody
    12 that looked like they wore Hi-Tec shoe,
    13 boots, or whatever.
    14 Q. Do you recall a period of time,
    15 prior to 1996, when your son Burke purchased
    16 a pair of hiking boots that had compasses on
    17 the shoelaces? And if it helps to
    18 remember --
    19 A. I can't remember.
    20 Q. Maybe this will help your
    21 recollection. They were shoes that were
    22 purchased while he was shopping with you in
    23 Atlanta.
    24 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
    25 as a fact?
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    1 MR. LEVIN: I am stating that as
    2 a fact.
    3 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Does that help
    4 refresh your recollection as to whether he
    5 owned a pair of shoes that had compasses on
    6 them?
    7 A. I just can't remember. Bought so
    8 many shoes for him.
    9 Q. And again, I will provide, I'll
    10 say, I'll say this as a fact to you, that,
    11 and maybe this will help refresh your
    12 recollection, he thought that -- the shoes
    13 were special because they had a compass on
    14 them, his only exposure for the most part to
    15 compasses had been in the plane and he kind
    16 of liked the idea of being able to point
    17 them different directions. Do you remember
    18 him doing that with the shoes?
    19 A. I can't remember the shoes. I
    20 remember he had a compass thing like a
    21 watch, but I can't remember about the shoes.
    22 Q. You don't remember him having
    23 shoes that you purchased with compasses on
    24 them?
    25 MR. WOOD: She will tell you that
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    1 one more time. Go ahead and tell him, and
    2 this will be the third time.
    3 THE WITNESS: I can't remember.
    4 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Okay. Does it
    5 jog your memory to know that the shoes with
    6 compasses were made by Hi-Tec?
    7 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
    8 as a fact?
    9 MR. LEVIN: Yes. I am stating
    10 that as a fact.
    11 THE WITNESS: No, I didn't know
    12 that.
    13 Q. (By Mr. Levin) I will state this
    14 as a fact. There are two people who have
    15 provided us with information, including your
    16 son, that he owned Hi-Tec shoes prior to the
    17 murder of your daughter.
    18 MR. WOOD: You are stating that
    19 Burke Ramsey has told you he owned Hi-Tec
    20 shoes?
    21 MR. LEVIN: Yes.
    22 MR. WOOD: He used the phrase
    23 Hi-Tec?
    24 MR. LEVIN: Yes.
    25 MR. WOOD: When?
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    1 MR. LEVIN: I can't, I can't give
    2 you the source. I can tell you that I have
    3 that information.
    4 MR. WOOD: You said Burke told
    5 you.
    6 MR. LEVIN: I can't quote it to
    7 you for reasons I am sure, as an attorney,
    8 you are aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spade
    Q. You don't remember him having
    shoes that you purchased with compasses on
    them?
    MR. WOOD: She will tell you that
    one more time. Go ahead and tell him, and
    this will be the third time.
    THE WITNESS: I can't remember.
    Q. (By Mr. Levin) Okay. Does it
    jog your memory to know that the shoes with
    compasses were made by Hi-Tec?
    MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
    as a fact?
    MR. LEVIN: Yes. I am stating
    that as a fact.
    THE WITNESS: No, I didn't know
    that.
    Q. (By Mr. Levin) I will state this
    as a fact. There are two people who have
    provided us with information, including your
    son, that he owned Hi-Tec shoes prior to the
    murder of your daughter.
    MR. WOOD: You are stating that
    Burke Ramsey has told you he owned Hi-Tec
    shoes?
    MR. LEVIN: Yes.

    "I can't remember" is Patsy's excuse for her not remembering that SHE bought Hi-Tec boots with a compass built into them while shopping with Burke in Atlanta. A person who can't remember something like that likely wouldn't be able to even remember their own name. Patsy is lying and has been lying all along about even the existence of the Hi-Tec boots. It's to protect Burke. The Hi-Tec bootprint in the wine cellar floor next to JonBenet's body is Burke's, and Patsy knows it.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    "I can't remember" is Patsy's excuse for her not remembering that SHE bought Hi-Tec boots with a compass built into them while shopping with Burke in Atlanta. A person who can't remember something like that likely wouldn't be able to even remember their own name. Patsy is lying and has been lying all along about even the existence of the Hi-Tec boots. It's to protect Burke. The Hi-Tec bootprint in the wine cellar floor next to JonBenet's body is Burke's, and Patsy knows it.

    JMO
    Right on Bluecrab! Of course she would 'remember' something so specific and special as a pair of her son's boots that had a compass on them! She is so obviously lying. It's what they are told to say "I don't recall" or "I can't remember".... thus avoiding an out and out LIE. Well there are different KINDS of lying: You can lie by OMISSION.
    If Burke was truly innocent of any involvement in that crime she would not hestiate to admit that she bought him those shoes. Just as she would have needed to LIE about him being awake that morning.

    I think Burke fessed up about those hi-tec boots during the Grand Jury.
    This post is my opinion.

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    Originally posted by K777angel
    I think Burke fessed up about those hi-tec boots during the Grand Jury.
    He apparently did. Ryan Ross, Denver legal affairs expert, states in his Crime Magazine article "Solving the JonBenet Case," that both Burke and a friend of Burke's revealed in their grand jury testimony that Burke owned a pair of Hi Tec shoes prior to JonBenet's murder.

    The friend of Burke's was probably Doug Stine.

    imo

    Edit: I've just been informed by a reliable source that the friend of Burke's I mentioned above was NOT Doug Stine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy
    He apparently did. Ryan Ross, Denver legal affairs expert, states in his Crime Magazine article "Solving the JonBenet Case," that both Burke and a friend of Burke's revealed in their grand jury testimony that Burke owned a pair of Hi Tec shoes prior to JonBenet's murder.

    The friend of Burke's was probably Doug Stine.

    imo

    It was probably Doug Stine who told the jurors that Burke owned Hi-Tec boots, but Fleet White III also testified in front of the GJ. Burke was friends with both of them.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spade
    14 Q. (By Mr. Levin)Do you recall a period of time,
    15 prior to 1996, when your son Burke purchased
    16 a pair of hiking boots that had compasses on
    17 the shoelaces? And if it helps to
    18 remember --
    19 A. I can't remember.
    20 Q. Maybe this will help your
    21 recollection. They were shoes that were
    22 purchased while he was shopping with you in
    23 Atlanta.
    24 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
    25 as a fact?

    0123
    1 MR. LEVIN: I am stating that as
    2 a fact.
    3 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Does that help
    4 refresh your recollection as to whether he
    5 owned a pair of shoes that had compasses on
    6 them?
    7 A. I just can't remember. Bought so
    8 many shoes for him.

    9 Q. And again, I will provide, I'll
    10 say, I'll say this as a fact to you, that,
    11 and maybe this will help refresh your
    12 recollection, he thought that -- the shoes
    13 were special because they had a compass on
    14 them, his only exposure for the most part to
    15 compasses had been in the plane and he kind
    16 of liked the idea of being able to point
    17 them different directions. Do you remember
    18 him doing that with the shoes?
    19 A. I can't remember the shoes. I
    20 remember he had a compass thing like a
    21 watch, but I can't remember about the shoes.

    22 Q. You don't remember him having
    23 shoes that you purchased with compasses on
    24 them?
    25 MR. WOOD: She will tell you that

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    1 one more time. Go ahead and tell him, and
    2 this will be the third time.

    3 THE WITNESS: I can't remember.
    4 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Okay. Does it
    5 jog your memory to know that the shoes with
    6 compasses were made by Hi-Tec?
    7 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
    8 as a fact?

    9 MR. LEVIN: Yes. I am stating
    10 that as a fact.

    Every time Patsy is caught in a lie, she suddenly loses her memory. I wish I had a dime for every time she said "I can't remember," "I don't remember" and "I don't know."


    IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee
    Every time Patsy is caught in a lie, she suddenly loses her memory. I wish I had a dime for every time she said "I can't remember," "I don't remember" and "I don't know."IMO

    Here's one of Patsy's "I don't remember" answers that tells me a little something about which of the Ramseys likely wrote the ransom note:

    In 1997 at least three of Darnay Hoffman's handwriting experts used the captions from Burke's personal photo album as exemplars of Patsy's handwriting to compare to the writing in the ransom note. The three experts all said that whoever wrote the captions also likely wrote the ransom note.

    Unknown to the examiners, the captions weren't certified as being in Patsy's hand and appear, at least to me, to be Burke's handwriting. When asked who wrote the captions in Burke's photo album Patsy replied "I don't remember".

    JMO

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    Burke did not write that 3 page ransom note.

    Patsy did.
    This post is my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K777angel
    Burke did not write that 3 page ransom note.

    Patsy did.
    And Patsy wrote the captions in Burke's photo album.

    We ought to take a poll ...

    How many here know a mother who has organized photos in an album and written captions?

    How many here know a 9-year-old (or younger) boy who has organized photos in an album and written captions?

    That's what I thought ...

    and that's why Patsy said, "I don't remember." She knew the handwriting was an example of her printed handwriting, and that it was a close match to the ransom note and obviously incriminating.


    IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee
    And Patsy wrote the captions in Burke's photo album.
    Cherokee,

    You are probably right, but please don't bet your last dime on it. Here's the text of the captions (they are on ACandyRose, under the Hoffman Files):

    o "Rainbow Fish Players"

    o "This me when I was first born. That's my Mom and the doctor."

    o "I was . I'm having a picture taken."

    o "I was 2. I was going bike riding with my Mom and my Dad."

    The captions are written in the first person. The spacings between the words are far apart, like the ransom note. Certain words are unnecessarily capitalized, like the ransom note.

    JMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    Cherokee,

    You are probably right, but please don't bet your last dime on it. Here's the text of the captions (they are on ACandyRose, under the Hoffman Files):

    o "Rainbow Fish Players"

    o "This me when I was first born. That's my Mom and the doctor."

    o "I was . I'm having a picture taken."

    o "I was 2. I was going bike riding with my Mom and my Dad."

    The captions are written in the first person. The spacings between the words are far apart, like the ransom note. Certain words are unnecessarily capitalized, like the ransom note.

    JMO
    BC, I understand about the "first person" angle ... but there are moms who write captions in their children's photo albums using "first person." It's considered a cute way of presenting the photos.

    I have one scrapbooking friend who has three boys, and they couldn't care less about documenting their photos in an album with captions, so she does it for them.

    The spacings between the words being far apart has NOTHING to do with the age of a person. Spacing, of letters, words, sentences, etc. is indicative of certain personality traits. I could show you handwriting samples of mature, educated adults who write with a lot of space between their words.

    Patsy uses quite a bit of spacing between words in her writing. Look at the London letter and the note written while in the BPD offices.

    What words are "unnecessarily capitalized"?

    "Rainbow Fish Players" is the name of a group so it is a proper noun and should be capitalized.

    Even though it is not considered correct punctuation to capitalize the words "mom" and "dad" when used with a possessive such as "my" ... many people do capitalize them. They are thinking of them as proper nouns and substitutes for their names. I've seen many adults who capitalize "mom" and "dad" no matter what the usage in the sentence.

    And thanks for the advice, BC, I know you have my best interest at heart ... but I WOULD bet my last dime Patsy wrote the ransom note. That's how strongly I believe the linguistic and handwriting evidence.

    IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee
    BC, I understand about the "first person" angle ... but there are moms who write captions in their children's photo albums using "first person." It's considered a cute way of presenting the photos.
    Of course you are right, Cherokee. JonBenet's "ad" was written in first person, too (I posted it a while back), and it sure as hell wasn't JB who wrote it; she was dead.
    The intruder is innocent! JMO

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    I read the Atlanta interview transcript and learned just one more arrow pointing to Patsy Ramsey's role in writing that 'ransom' letter.

    The police told her that Burke's teacher at High Peaks elementary school in Boulder told the police that AFTER the murder of JonBenet, Patsy stopped writing the notes back to the teacher in Burke's 'Friday Folder' (my kids had those too) and she only TYPED them from then on.
    WHY????
    Of course Lin Wood refused to let her answer. Big surprise.

    I recall one time a poster stating that while she was on a flight one time after JonBenet's murder she noticed a woman sitting in a seat near her and realized it was Patsy Ramsey. I believe she said Patsy had a wig on.
    She said that Patsy was sitting there practicing writing. Letters of the alphabet and that type of thing. She found it very odd.
    Hmmm...????
    This post is my opinion.

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    I have read speculation about the ransom letter's supposedly being written by Burke. I am ASTONISHED that anyone thinks that letter was written by a nine-year-old. Absolutely absurd notion. It is clearly written by an adult, not a child. Although it certainly could have been written by an adult who was covering up for a child.

    JMO

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    K777angel... Great catch regarding Patsy typing her responses to Burke's teacher after JonBenet's death instead of writing them by hand. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why. Patsy was afraid that for some inexplicable (lol) reason, her handwriting would be identical to the intruder's, the same intruder who wrote the ransom note!

    I too remember the poster (I think she was a JW poster) telling about seeing Patsy practice writing alphabet letters on the plane.

    imo

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