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    Did the 'Real Killer' just commit suicide?

    Hi,

    Never been here before, but I have always held Jon Bennet in my heart. I have also always wondered why the heck LE has never been able to pin a tail on the true killer, with political exceptions of course.

    Tonight while checking out groceries, I glanced at a fresh new tabloid cover graced by her beautiful picture, and as I read these words about the real killer having just committed suicide, my jaw must have dropped. From behind a fog of thought I heard a voice saying, 'Miss, is this yours too?" I was thinking the minute I got home I better hop over to your site to see what this was all about! No thread? It isn't 'da bomb?

    It made me again wonder, with all of the exposure of the case, is there still hope to find out what really happened to this innocent and unsuspecting little girl? Ya Ya, the crime scene was contaminated, and there were some bad eggs in high places of leadership. One brave investigator went out on a limb against them after much study and having much savy, but we still don't really know what happened!

    Who really killed Jon Bennet?




    Scandi

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandi
    Hi,

    Never been here before, but I have always held Jon Bennet in my heart. I have also always wondered why the heck LE has never been able to pin a tail on the true killer, with political exceptions of course.

    Tonight while checking out groceries, I glanced at a fresh new tabloid cover graced by her beautiful picture, and as I read these words about the real killer having just committed suicide, my jaw must have dropped. From behind a fog of thought I heard a voice saying, 'Miss, is this yours too?" I was thinking the minute I got home I better hop over to your site to see what this was all about! No thread? It isn't 'da bomb?

    It made me again wonder, with all of the exposure of the case, is there still hope to find out what really happened to this innocent and unsuspecting little girl? Ya Ya, the crime scene was contaminated, and there were some bad eggs in high places of leadership. One brave investigator went out on a limb against them after much study and having much savy, but we still don't really know what happened!

    Who really killed Jon Bennet?

    Scandi
    Interesting thought...what is up with the thought you had "I heard a voice saying, 'Miss, is this yours too?" I was thinking the minute I got home I better hop over to your site to see what this was all about! No thread? It isn't 'da bomb?" WOW I'm interested in your reply/response since you stated above you've "Never been here before" ...THANKS!

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    Watch out for those voices behind the fog, lest they tell you to kill, like they told Patsy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherMoon
    Watch out for those voices behind the fog, lest they tell you to kill, like they told Patsy.
    Hee Hee ... makes me want to watch "KILL BILL" again... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandi
    Hi,

    Never been here before, but I have always held Jon Bennet in my heart. I have also always wondered why the heck LE has never been able to pin a tail on the true killer, with political exceptions of course.

    Tonight while checking out groceries, I glanced at a fresh new tabloid cover graced by her beautiful picture, and as I read these words about the real killer having just committed suicide, my jaw must have dropped. From behind a fog of thought I heard a voice saying, 'Miss, is this yours too?" I was thinking the minute I got home I better hop over to your site to see what this was all about! No thread? It isn't 'da bomb?

    It made me again wonder, with all of the exposure of the case, is there still hope to find out what really happened to this innocent and unsuspecting little girl? Ya Ya, the crime scene was contaminated, and there were some bad eggs in high places of leadership. One brave investigator went out on a limb against them after much study and having much savy, but we still don't really know what happened!

    Who really killed Jon Bennet?

    Scandi
    Interesting thought...what is up with the thought you had "I heard a voice saying, 'Miss, is this yours too?" I was thinking the minute I got home I better hop over to your site to see what this was all about! No thread? It isn't 'da bomb?" WOW I'm interested in your reply/response since you stated above you've "Never been here before" ...THANKS!

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    Oh, well I think the 'fog' has been taken a bit too far. What I meant was that the case has always been in the back of my mind. I have never posted on this forum, but when I saw the front page of this tabloid tonight, the verbage about the 'real killer who has now committed suicide' took me off guard. I kept looking at the tabloid, thinking, I wonder if this is really true, when I heard my checker ask me a question, which brought me back to reality! And the next thought that crossed my mind was that hey, the second I get home I'm gonna check out the JBR site to see what this is all about. I was sure there'd be a long thread about it by the time I got home!

    That's all. I've never read much about the case, but have watched many specials about it, so am somewhat familiar with the case. And I can't really add anything to your discussion as I havn't studied this case like I have Laci's, where I am familiar with almost every link on the case.

    But I must say you guys are pretty sharp there - stealth posters to the enth degree! Ya Ya


    Scandi


    PS: Did Patsy really mention a 'fog'?

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    Hi Scandi

    Thank you for caring enough to pop over to this forum - perhaps you can help spread the news to the Laci forum that yet another scam is underway in this case. I know that there are others concerned - especially when you remember the fact that one of Scott's defense tactics includes a "Mystery Woman." That PLOY was born right here in the heart of JonBenet's legacy - I knew at the time that it was leading the way for future criminals to get Reasonable Doubt thrown in the case when there was no evidence of it before.

    IMO - this latest headline is part of a settlement deal reached between the NE and the Rams. After Victoriously changing the way news is reported by having a Shake-Down Artist keep the press tied up in civil litigation, John Ramsey is now running for political office in Michigan.

    As you will notice - this "killer" is only brought to yu by the fine folks at the National Enquirer. Look for DA Mary Keenan to jump on this bandwagon while the Governor of Colorado sits on our request to have her removed from office.

    Please help share the word as one day Laci's family may be hearing word of a Surprise Dead Suspect.

    RR

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    There is no deal between the Ramseys

    and the National Enquirer---the National Enquirer only does what profits them. They have a lot of resources to throw on a story----and once in a while they get it right. The NE likes to think of themselves as one notch above the rest of them, in getting to the truth. I am surprised they came right out and called Michael Helgoth (aka boots) a killer. Those are pretty strong words, even for a tabloid. They might have more......including the teaser they put in that they can place Helgoth at the house on one occasion.

    Boots has been discussed for many years now off and on, because of the stun gun and hi-tec boots obvious is he crime scene photos. Some of you may not like Lou Smit, but he has a history of solving tough crimes, and Boots is on his list of someone to be checked out further. If the perp is dead, it would explain why there hasn't been a confession....why there hasn't been any leaks from the perp in telling someone else. The timing of his death is interesting---maybe ol' Hunter was able to smoke the perp out afterall, with his bluffing. There are questions as to if Boots actually committed suicide---if not, he could have been the weak link, that might blab, and someone wanted him out of the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai
    and the National Enquirer---the National Enquirer only does what profits them. They have a lot of resources to throw on a story----and once in a while they get it right. The NE likes to think of themselves as one notch above the rest of them, in getting to the truth. I am surprised they came right out and called Michael Helgoth (aka boots) a killer. Those are pretty strong words, even for a tabloid. They might have more......including the teaser they put in that they can place Helgoth at the house on one occasion.

    Boots has been discussed for many years now off and on, because of the stun gun and hi-tec boots obvious is he crime scene photos. Some of you may not like Lou Smit, but he has a history of solving tough crimes, and Boots is on his list of someone to be checked out further. If the perp is dead, it would explain why there hasn't been a confession....why there hasn't been any leaks from the perp in telling someone else. The timing of his death is interesting---maybe ol' Hunter was able to smoke the perp out afterall, with his bluffing. There are questions as to if Boots actually committed suicide---if not, he could have been the weak link, that might blab, and someone wanted him out of the picture.
    But what about the DNA that doesn't match?
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    Good Morning!

    Well it is obvious that I need to read up on particulars in the case before I can discuss it.

    I did start reading threads here last night, and when I read that there were black fibres on Jon Bennet that matched the sweater John was wearing, I wondered why this wouldn't be a major clue.

    And then I read a thought that if her brother did this, it would be easy to understand how the P's would rally to do a major coverup to protect him. But what is hard for me to believe is how all of this coverup could be correctly programmed and carried out by her P's starting from the night of the crime itself without something giving them away. The crime had to be an accident, right? So the plan for the coverup, which I then would believe both would be involved in, would have to be an after the fact decision, formulated right there in that home that night. Je ne sait! Maybe John wiped her off with the black sweater? Probably a standard thought among many.

    So I'm gonna read today. Darn, Court TV had a show on her recently and now I wish I would have watched it!

    See, if I only knew the bare basics of Laci's case and went to the forum to read and learn the facts as they are, it would be hard to find where to start. So many threads are so specific about particular viewpoints and written with the slant of the poster.




    Scandi


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbara
    But what about the DNA that doesn't match?
    Yeah, what about that?

    For the umpteenth time:

    Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner said detectives took DNA samples from the person in 1997 and learned it does not match DNA found at the Ramsey crime scene.

    http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ram...0/01aboot.html

    Without coming up with an accomplice whose DNA DOES match, the Helgoth speculation goes nowhere.
    The intruder is innocent! JMO

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    Originally posted by scandi
    But what is hard for me to believe is how all of this coverup could be correctly programmed and carried out by her P's starting from the night of the crime itself without something giving them away.
    But JonBenet's parents did give themselves away, not only in some of their staging efforts, but in their lies. For starters, (1) several professional document examiners are absolutely convinced Patsy penned the note (check Shylock's posts for a link to Patsy's handwriting exemplars), (2) the note contains pet phrases used by the Ramsey family, and (3) even though John and Patsy claim otherwise, Burke's voice can be heard on the 911 tape.

    John and Patsy made other goofs too, including placing a small strip of tape over JonBenet's mouth to try to make it appear as if the killer had done it to keep her quiet. It was obvious to investigators that the tape had been placed there postmortem. The strip of tape, which was too small to keep any living person's mouth shut, showed no indication that JonBenet had tried to work it off. There was no saliva on it, nor any tooth marks.

    imo

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    who?

    Quote Originally Posted by scandi

    I did start reading threads here last night, and when I read that there were black fibres on Jon Bennet that matched the sweater John was wearing, I wondered why this wouldn't be a major clue.






    Scandi
    Hi, Scandi

    Regarding the black fibers, this idea originated from a question that was posed to John at some point in their interviews. It makes reference to a black shirt that John was wearing the night of the 25th. John answered No, and I believe told the interviewer that he didn't think they had such fibers. The fibers were never brought up by anyone in LE again. (LE can play good cop/ bad cop, tell the suspect they know everything, or that someone else has confessed, or may pose untruthful questions in an attempt to get info.)

    There are a lot of people that make good suspects. Using common sense and the evidence at hand will help point to the person most likely responsible.
    It includes: unsourced blue fibers and brown fibers on JB, unsourced animal hair on JB's hands. A ransom note.

    The person who most likely did it was Gary Oliva, IMO. He was a man in his mid-30's who picked up mail at a church around the corner from the Ramseys. He was unemployed, had served time for an assault on a 7 year old girl, had tried to choke his mother with a telephone cord in anger, had mental problems, was described by a friend as weird, and becoming more sinister.

    He ------ was found to have a stun when stopped by the BPD 2 years later.
    ----------called his friend 3 days after the crime and confessed that he had hurt a child, while sobbing.
    ----------Has handwriting that is remarkably similar to the RN. Some of his letter combinations found within words are identical to similar combinations found in the RN. In samples of his writings he misspelled words with double consonants 5 times.
    ----------had a fascination with JB, visited her 1 year memorial, and said that she revealed herself to him upon death.

    Everything that is known about Gary Oliva fits what happened and who commited the crime. Except the DNA. Other than a negligible amount of his DNA that might have been under her nails, IMO the DNA isn't his, isn't the killer's.
    This is my opinion, and change is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Britt
    Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner said detectives took DNA samples from the person in 1997 and learned it does not match DNA found at the Ramsey crime scene.
    That's the nice thing about all the Ramsey myths and lies; eventually they go full circle and cancel each other out.

    The Ramseys say the killer left behind his DNA - Suspect Helgoth's DNA doesn't match.

    The Ramseys say the killer left a Hi-Tech boot print - Suspect Helgoth's boots don't match the print.

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    Beckner and the DNA?

    The newspapers are full of false statements attributed to the BPD. Because Beckner says it doesn't match doesn't mean it was even tested. They do obtain blood and tissue samples at autopsy---Helgoth wasn't on their radar screen---so why would they have compared the samples then? How long do they keep the samples? If they had been destroyed what was Beckner going to say when asked the question? If Helgoth was involved, there could have been more than one, and the DNA could be from someone else.

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