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    FL - White House Boys, Dozier School for Boys, Marianna

    MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- Florida Gov. Charlie Crist has ordered an investigation to determine whether the remains of 32 students were buried decades ago in shallow graves on the grounds of a former reform school for boys.

    The governor's action came at the urging of four former residents of what was known as the Florida School for Boys. The four alleged that students were abused and killed by guards decades ago at the school in Marianna, Florida, just south of the Georgia border.


    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/09/...school.graves/

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    Oh my gosh! Who would they even charge?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by STEADFAST View Post
    MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- Florida Gov. Charlie Crist has ordered an investigation to determine whether the remains of 32 students were buried decades ago in shallow graves on the grounds of a former reform school for boys.

    The governor's action came at the urging of four former residents of what was known as the Florida School for Boys. The four alleged that students were abused and killed by guards decades ago at the school in Marianna, Florida, just south of the Georgia border.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/09/...school.graves/
    I was just reading this tonight on CNN! This could be an absolutely amazing case. I cannot imagine that there are no records of this place or the individuals that ran it somewhere. It's intriguing, to say the least. I look forward to hearing more about this. I wonder how much Google info is out there? May be too long ago.
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    I just saw this too - unbelievable. but a few things come to mind: 1. how did it take decades for this to come to light? 2. if there are graves on the grounds - shouldn't there be 32 families looking for their kids? how did these deaths go unnoticed? how did the school account for 32 missing kids? that's kind of a big number to cover up! did these kids just go randomly missing? what is the range of years? being the sleuthers that we are, would we be able to dig up a list of missing kids from those years that could possibly be in there? what a huge bombshell - I just can't get over it - 32 missing kids!
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
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    ok so I just looked at some of the articles, and there are graves marked with crosses??? how did they explain those??? I'm just baffled...nobody thought, hey, who's in there? I've never seen such a public mass gravesite with NO id's!
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
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    FYI - I don't have time right now to go thru all these, but if a particularly diligent sleuther has it and wants to, here is the link to the FL Archives record on the school - I pretty much found it on page 1 of a "Florida school for boys" google search.

    http://dlis.dos.state.fl.us/barm/red...TABASE=SERIES,
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
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    also, here is the website created by the victims of the school, that will give us more insight.

    http://www.geocities.com/fsbmarianna/index.htm
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
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    32 bodies can be explained by possible runaways and abandoned children that went wayward. The foster system wasn't what it is today, back in the 50's..
    This ought to be one interesting case!

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    Back then (and now) the care system for people who couldn't care for themselves was staffed by a lot of underpaid workers who couldn't find other jobs. Then as now it was also a playground for predators and sexual sadists. There are some stories of care systems being exploited for sex rings or basically slave labor. You see it a lot in the old stories about the orphanages, insane asylums, poor houses and boys reform schools.

    Back then it was mainly a housing system, with very little oversight by anyone. Basically they were just given some money and told to care for this population. Authorities didn't want to hear complaints, literally. They sometimes didn't want to hear about it at all. The attitude was what ever is wrong, just take care of it.

    On the worker's side, they didn't have resources when extra assistance was needed (no counseling etc.), no education for the type of care they were giving, funds were minimal, and they were usually overpopulated. So even the ones who tried were fighting a difficult battle. If the truth were told, I think they would find this type of thing in many of the old care systems if anyone ever looked very hard.

    Luckily now if they have a loss or a complaint about the care, they hopefully do investigations and take action. More oversight is given, but still sometimes a nursing home, or handicapped home will slip by for a while. There was a scandal here locally about a group home for the mentally handicapped, where there was mistreatment of the residents that went on for a while. But I don't think they lost anybody and they supposedly did clean it up eventually.

    BTW has anyone ever heard of a "Girls" reform school from back then?

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    I gave this more thought overnight - a lot of these children were black, and back then, I'm sure black people who went missing went unreported by police departments, or a file just wasn't opened - either on purpose, because there were cases of police depts being in cahoots with the KKK - or because of the whole ingrained racism of the system in general. I was looking back at missing persons cases from the 1950s and noticing that although in general there were very few missing persons reports in general, specifically the persons who were reported were mostly white, and you know there had to be more black people missing during that era.

    I think families who had children in that school and were told that their kid had "run away" should come forward. it's unfortunate that it has taken this long however, and that how many of those children will still have living family members? there has to be living people though who were told that their siblings had run away, never to be seen again...perhaps this will get them thinking. It's also unfortunate that they will probably not be able to prosecute anyone for it - if any of the perpetrators are still alive, they are probably in their 80s and 90s by now, at least.
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
    What Happened to Maura Murray? http://www.mauramurraymissing.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew View Post
    BTW has anyone ever heard of a "Girls" reform school from back then?
    there was a Florida School for Girls in Ocala, and one in Forest Hills. don't know if they are still in operation.
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

    Help Fred Murray find his daughter and bring her home. He should not be walking those woods alone!
    What Happened to Maura Murray? http://www.mauramurraymissing.com

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    Some of the boys were sent there since they ran away from orphanages and places as such. I doubt if missing, they would have been reported..

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    Wow! This is nuts.
    I do not intend to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death!

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    This tears me up:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/09/...school.graves/

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    The White House boys, who are all white, told CNN that black kids at the school were beaten even more savagely than white kids.
    "I said to myself, 'What's going to happen to me, if I take him out?' " he told CNN. He recalled being about 15 feet away from the boy in the dryer. He thought about helping him, but was afraid.
    "I said to myself, I can't do it, cause I'm gonna be the next one in the God-d-- dryer if I take him out," he said.
    "I turned my back and walked out and it torments me every day of my life."

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    This entire story is chilling! I think after searching the graves, some of them will have more than one "body" in them.

    I am glad these men came forward. I can't imagine witnessing this and carrying it with me for the rest of my life.

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