Living with someone with mental illness like BPD is a lot easier said than done. Its a full time job and relentless. I think that G & C did pretty well up and until the pregnancy. Any idea whether or not Casey was in a regular classroom in school? or was she in a special group for emotionally disturbed kids? She hates authority - wonder how she was in school - or did this behavior manifest itself after the pregnancy?
I don't like to admit it, but I sometimes can go into denial mode like CA. Sometimes I can't bear the truth or have to have things be perfect and going great. I can sometimes ignore something unpleasant so I don't have to deal with it. I don't know where this comes from and why but I think her mind would not let her accept the truth. I hope she can accept it now and start to heal....but I sure wish they would bury that poor baby...for goodness sake!
Poor Caylee is out of the woods, but you are not KC!!!
KC, you said you were moving out and getting your own place to live and for once you weren't lying - Home Sweet Jail Cell, LOL!
Does anyone know is a sociopath born with this (like chemical or gene pool)?
or are the raised that way? Is a physcopath and a sociopath the same?
I looked it up on google and got more confused. anyone know? Then the pathological liars?? where do they fit in? Trying to understand kc.......ca.......actions
Dealing with one of these people in any kind of normal, rational way is just not possible. They lie continuously, and have no reaction to being caught in a lie - they just make up more lies to try to explain it away. The way KC behaved with the detectives during her interrogation - that's the way she IS, all the time.
The best thing they could have done is taken custody of Caylee and forced KC out on her own.
It appears to me that they simply hadn't yet accepted how sick their daughter was. They still haven't accepted it.
Childhood circumstances, like physical abuse or neglect by parents, can shape how a person with a personality disorder 'acts out', but no amount of good parenting can change the fact that the disorder is there.
They say that somewhere around 3% of all people are sociopaths, and it doesn't vary by culture. You find them all over the world. What that tells me is there is an evolutionary reason for their existence in our species. I suspect that the survival of our species has many times depended on the existence of a sociopath during desperate times. They were willing to do ANYTHING to survive, and they didn't feel bad about it either.
In non-desperate times, we lock them up.
they knew KC was trouble - they just NEVER IMAGINED she would go this far
did they think she would do the following ? YES
2. sleep around
3. drink and get drunk
6. lie some more
7. steal some more
8. arrested for OUI, theft, drugs
9. lie some more
10. murder i dont think they ever imagined this
Having known some pathological narcissists, which have Borderline traits, it is always about the money. They spend and spend alot. Every one of my narcissistd have filed bankruptcy at least once. They love to buy things and buy plenty. They love luxury. But they spend other people's not their own. They usually have a stash hidden. You should look for hidden bank accounts and scams of which they are prone to get into.
On the occasional times when they are forced to spend their money, you will hear about it. If it is given freely, it is to come back many fold and that is the only reason they gave it in the first place.
Every narcissist/borderline I know would never say or admit their children lie and they never do any wrong either. They will berate the friends of the child and insist the friends are the cause of the trouble. Then they call the friends parents and create havoc. They also do this with teachers. The teachers are always wrong about their child...."and didn't you see so and so, he did the same thing...why are you picking on mine". They are the teachers worst nightmare.
Funny thing I noticed with female narcissits....many of them marry police or milltary...are they trying to find someone to control them?....or are they going to strip the person of any feelings of control the person may have. Perhaps they enjoy trying to absorb their power or take it from them.
These people are basically fearless. there are 2 exceptions:
1....Losing money. Money is their God.
2....getting into a physical altercation where they may receive bodily injury.
If any of you have ever worried that perhaps you are a narcissist....you are not...a true narcissist would never worry about such a thing.
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Even if Cindy did get Casey some help when young, I doubt if they would have diagnosed anything much other than ADD. I've found it almost impossible to get anyone to listen or to get any long term help for a young relative of mine. If anyone has gotten real help I'd appreciate advice.
What about Ted Bundy and Paul Bernardo...they grew up in middle class families and were educated. Yet they were sociopathic. I think it's really funny that Charles Manson probably thinks KC is crazy.
Most current theories opine that it's genetics AND upbringing.
Yes, they are all pathological liars.
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Bundy was the son of a hooker, who was into drugs. He was adopted. Maybe her drugs affected him in utero.
The latest is that something is wrong with the mirror neurons-- the system turns inward, instead of outward, and the prefrontal cortex is smaller than normal.
But, having a brutal, or the reverse, an overindulgent family prolly brings the disorder to fruition.
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She was prolly born that way, and a permissive upbringing helped ripen it.
I think a lot of people CLEARLY swee what was wrong.
JB is talking about how adorable she looked in the baby pictures.
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The only way, sometimes, to get help for young people is to demand it. This works better with a larger facility. You have to push the Doctors to give the child treatment or keep on going to where you can get it. You may have to go above the Dr's head and speak to a director or his boss about the situation. Don't give up.
You may hear some say there are too many meds given to children for depression and it is dangerous. They never mention how many children have killed themselves because they weren't on meds. If it is depression that is the problem, you must be on the look-out for the signs of when they are making improvement...many suicides occur on this side, not the down side. Hope this helps.
Yes, it is!
It's generally opined that sociopaths are born wired differently. Brutal or the opposite, excessively permissive parents can make the traits worse. In any case, they can't feel much attachment or concern for anyone but themselves. It's supposed to be about a smaller prefrontal cortex and differently-working mirror neurons.
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I have been told that one is not born with narcissistic personality disorder....told to me by some psychiatrists who specialize with children.
I did not distinguish pathological narcissism from the simple personality disorder when I asked the question.
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