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12-23-2008, 12:43 AM #76
Just found this thread....You guys are smart!
Today I have come to the conclusion that kc is a psychopath. After hearing Jesse describe her jealousy...that was it. She killed out of jealousy. She was not going to let Caylee interfere in the relationship with Tony. She kept that guy hidden from her mom...no interference.
I had discountied a sociopath, due to not hearing criteria that fits about her youth. I am separating the two because that is what I am familiar with.
After looking at her websites and seeing her writings, she is dark...macabre-like. Her interest lies in gore and death movies. I see nothing light coming from her. She just mimics what she knows from other people as far as her feelings. She smiles to look pretty for the camera. She really loves herself.
She is a malignant Narcisist, Borderline traits and histrionic. The only problem I am having and maybe someone here can help is she did not plan this murder. She may have thought about it, but she is very disorgainized. Psychopaths are better planners than this. Maybe she is just evolving...?
What CA reported kc had depression in her teens, my thoughts were she was going through a Goth Phase....lol.
I also laughed when CA was describing kc....that was worth admission charges. These two are exactly alike, except for the macabre, Cindy and kc share the same personality disorders and they are enmeshed.
12-23-2008, 12:53 AM #77
I have been lambasted on here for even mentioning the word: psychotic, and asked if I ever even spoke to someone who is psychotic???
Someone I know, who was able to function in society was prescribed anti-psychotic meds because he was abusive. Now, why the anti-psychotics?
12-23-2008, 12:58 AM #78
12-23-2008, 01:02 AM #79
12-23-2008, 01:13 AM #80
My mother, who I have shared has Borderline personality disorder is on an anti-psychotic and it's the best thing that ever happened to her.
Claiming you were lambasted is a mighty large exaggeration.
12-23-2008, 01:15 AM #81
Originally Posted by OneLostGrl
Gosh, you are so right about what people want to believe.. they try to find anything "reaL" (incest, rape, bipolar, ppd, psychosis) to blame it on because they just cannot comprehend that a person, a pretty little thing at that, could just be evil.
I get most resentful when people say Casey may be psychotic and that may be why she did what she did. It makes me want to take those people by the hand and escort them to a locked psych ward and have them spend the day.. going to groups with and spending time with people who are in fact psychotic. I bet by the end of the day their minds would be changed about Casey. Ya know?
There is illness and then there is evil and society needs to learn the difference. You are a kind soul, Brini- your posts always make so much sense and are informative..I thank you for that and your kindness toward me as well
LOL about the christmas party- we had a blast- my husbands boss always goes all out and they are all a bunch of lushes so it's always entertaining!
A lot of people posting here are well acquainted with having mental illness and/or knowing people with mental illness. Many of us have been through hell and back. We have ourselves been in locked psych wards.
There's a way of explaining things without being demeaning.
12-23-2008, 01:24 AM #82
12-23-2008, 02:02 AM #83
I have Rapid cycling Bipolar I with mixed and psychotic episodes, that is no secret- I would never attempt to demean anyone that is mentally ill because I know how it feels. I try to offer facts, symptoms, traits and personal stories to help others better understand mental illness (I'd love to see a day when everyone is informed so they can spot the symptoms early and get treatment before things get out of hand.. the earlier one is treated the better chance they have of some day having a normal life) and I just feel that every time someone says Casey may be Psychotic it just tosses mis-information and stigma back onto Psychosis.
Anyway, again, I am sorry I hurt your feelings I really truly did not mean to.
12-23-2008, 03:16 AM #84
I can certainly understand why people use the word "psychotic". If they are not in the mental health field, most people use the term casually.
12-23-2008, 03:24 AM #85Registered User
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IMO CA is a socipathic narcissist and daugther KC is the same. GA is a putz. Haven't managed to figure out LA yet...
12-23-2008, 03:57 AM #86
I'm grateful that we both are allowed to state our opinions though.
oh, and my mom has always said that you always have choices.
There were plenty of choices other than murdering her daughter. She herself stated that fact to LE at Universal.My Opinion Only..MOO
12-23-2008, 06:25 AM #87Registered User
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While channel surfing looking for coverage on the case I stumbled onto a show that helped me potentially understand something key about this case. The show as called 'Intervention' and it was about a family that has a young mother battling anorexia. She had two young kids and besides anorexia she had checked out of her mom duties and was pill popping to boot.
The family had enough and staged an intervention. Several scenes concerning this were played out on the show.
First, the dad of the mother (grand dad) had a pretty hard time getting away from notion of writing her off which was his stance before the interventionist got involved. The young mother was using a molestation in her youth from someone as an excuse to continue the disorder. I had an interest in anorexia in the past and I believe this condition is very very hard to successfully treat. To me the molestation thing was a ruse.
When the intervention occurred, grand dad read a letter out about how the kids had withdrawn from her and that they needed their mother. They had to tiptoe around her saying the loved her and wanted her to be the best mom ect. The goal was to convince her to accept treatment.
Her responses to this were telling and key. I watched very intently to her reactions to all this. In a few scenes that led up to this, you see the mother say, to the camera no less, that she did want to come down and fix the kids lunch because she was on the computer. Her expression and the way she delivered these comments where telling. During the intervention their were other reactions.
The bottom line is that what popped into my mind viewing these reactions was a closeted HATRED for her kids. She could not truly admit this feeling because that would drive the grand parents to disown her and her enabled lifestyle. I felt it though ... that was a solid feeling that came through to me.
At any rate, a key in this case is how being annoyed at being a mom gets amped up to a rage leading to murder. This show seemed to illustrate a path: a hidden, building anger from a building narcissism directed at weak victim. Even for this show, the problems of the mother where drowning out this aspect of it. I found the show informative and telling.
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12-23-2008, 08:23 AM #88Former Member
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Casey was a troubled girl from the get go. No banging of head after Casey was born. Consider this: She quit high school, she didn't go to college, she had no aspirations other than partying and dating, she lied to Jesse G. and told him he was the father of Caylee....and she had complete cognitive abilities to do all she did during the 30 days Caylee was "missing". I can understand people trying to find an answer or a reason as it is just too incomprehensible to understand, however, there are just plain selfish, jealous, evil people in this world. It goes clear back to the biblical days. Sad. Very sad.
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12-23-2008, 08:49 AM #89Registered User
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Last night I saw a rather interesting documentary on Malignant Narcissism with Antisocial Personality traits and IMO it is 100% fitting of Casey Anthony! I called my sister who is the head of a psych unit and assistant to the professor to discuss. She also thought this of CA.
Here is a look at some of the info:
An absence of conscience, a psychological need for power, and a sense of importance (grandiosity) are often symptomatic of Malignant Narcissism. The malignant narcissist is presented as pathologically grandiose, lacking in conscience and behavioral regulation with characteristic demonstrations of joyful cruelty, and overestimates their abilities and has an excessive need for admiration and affirmation. This may be present to such a degree that it severely damages the person's ability to live a productive or happy life because the traits manifest as severe selfishness and disregard for the needs and feelings of others.
Many features of person's with MN are often ambitious and capable but are unable cope with setbacks, disagreements or criticism. These emotional limitations along with a complete lack of empathy make it difficult for such individuals to work well with others and to build a successful career.
Pathologically narcissim is the art of deception, and the narcissist presents a False-Self managing all their social interactions through this concocted fictional construct. People often find themselves involved with a narcissist (emotionally, in business, or otherwise) before they have a chance to discover their true nature. ( I think this is what happened to Jesse and Amy!)
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, need for excessive attention, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following
- has a grandiose sense of self-importance
- is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
- believes that he or she is "special" and unique
- requires excessive admiration
- has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations.
- is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends.
- lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
- is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
- shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
- contemptuous of human beings, and to be completely without conscience
12-23-2008, 10:44 AM #90Former Member
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I agree 100% with that as a potential "diagnosis", however, when you say would it not be beneficial...I ask, "to what"? A defense? The answer is no. Many people walk this earth with that as a diagnosis of their own personality disorder, however, that doesn't "cause" one to commit murder. It very well may explain why no visible remorse, and why she is so indifferent...however, it is not a defense for murder. Again. It goes back to the "did the perp know right from wrong". There is no getting Casey out of this. Not in my opinion. She has shown far too much evidence of cognitive thinking during the 31 days that Caylee was "missing". I don't believe any diagnosis will release her from a guilty verdict...except one, which I will explain in the next post. Just my opinion.
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