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    Back in the "early days" of Caylee missing, I wrote the family. It was because I read in the investigative report that in early January 08 she was taken to the hospital with a seizure. Nothing more was ever said about it. My question, rather comments...was for the family to have a full MRI done on Casey. There is a slight possibility...albeit, extreme, but possible if she has a brain tumor affecting her "right from wrong" part of her brain...which would be the ventromedial prefrontal cortex...that could explain her actions.

    I had a patient years ago that came to the ER handcuffed to the railings of the hospital bed with two guards. This young man (34) was aprox 6"7" and literally about 300 lbs of pure muscle. A football physique. He was dying of a massive brain tumor. However, it should be known that prior to his prison sentence this man was a completely normal human being. NEVER in trouble, a working family man and father/husband. His wife expressed he started having some depressive episodes and seemed to get quite agitated for no reason and this was unlike him. It was not until he brutally raped a young woman and was arrested that they discovered the tumor, after trials and after incarceration. So, in essence, if we are looking at possible scenario's that could cause Casey to do what she did...that could be one of them.

    Again, it was never stated as to why she had that seizure nor what tests may have been done in the hospital. It was a friend that took her. It could have been from drinking, drugs and or not eating, etc. And not anything as serious as a brain tumor. But it is a thought that should be ruled out. For the family's sakes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by concentric View Post
    I have been lambasted on here for even mentioning the word: psychotic, and asked if I ever even spoke to someone who is psychotic???

    Someone I know, who was able to function in society was prescribed anti-psychotic meds because he was abusive. Now, why the anti-psychotics?
    Anti-psychotic drugs are sometimes given to people who have anger issues, it doesn't mean the person is psychotic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    I can certainly understand why people use the word "psychotic". If they are not in the mental health field, most people use the term casually.
    Very true. Fifteen years ago I had a nervous breakdown as the result of a lot of tough things which were going on in my life at the time. The drugs I was given caused me to become briefly psychotic. I checked myself into the hospital for a few days, because I had young children and felt it wasn't safe for me to be around them. I know what it feels like to be psychotic and it isn't fun. I didn't feel like going out partying with my friends. You couldn't get a smile on my face if you paid me a million dollars. It is one of the most terrifying things I have ever gone through and it makes me a little upset when people refer to KC as psychotic. She is not psychotic.

    Sorry about the life story.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavanda Dolce View Post
    I agree 100% with that as a potential "diagnosis", however, when you say would it not be beneficial...I ask, "to what"? A defense? The answer is no. Many people walk this earth with that as a diagnosis of their own personality disorder, however, that doesn't "cause" one to commit murder. It very well may explain why no visible remorse, and why she is so indifferent...however, it is not a defense for murder. Again. It goes back to the "did the perp know right from wrong". There is no getting Casey out of this. Not in my opinion. She has shown far too much evidence of cognitive thinking during the 31 days that Caylee was "missing". I don't believe any diagnosis will release her from a guilty verdict...except one, which I will explain in the next post. Just my opinion.

    Bolded by me respectfully.

    Lavanda Dolce actually this is what I'd meant to begin with. Not beneficial in any other way except for her defense team to be able to better understand casey and possibly better able to defend her. Does that make sense? I also agree that Malignant Narcissism is not a defense for murder. My whole point is when you look at all of Casey's persona and traits it is 100% consistent with her as a person. Regardless many people have thiis and do not go on to murder people. However it does explain her callousness, lack of empathy, all of it imo!

    In essence I agree with your post above.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OneLostGrl View Post
    I agree, some of us have and that is how we know what Psychosis looks like. It is not easily mistaken for anything else. I explained the symptoms (offered links and all, I believe) and how none of them are present in Casey several pages back and I believe in the second thread as well when it was brought up. I honestly just don't see how anyone can even think they see it in Casey and I admit, I get a bit frustrated with the fact that it keeps coming up as if it is a viable option. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings while expressing my frustration I did not mean to.

    I have Rapid cycling Bipolar I with mixed and psychotic episodes, that is no secret- I would never attempt to demean anyone that is mentally ill because I know how it feels. I try to offer facts, symptoms, traits and personal stories to help others better understand mental illness (I'd love to see a day when everyone is informed so they can spot the symptoms early and get treatment before things get out of hand.. the earlier one is treated the better chance they have of some day having a normal life) and I just feel that every time someone says Casey may be Psychotic it just tosses mis-information and stigma back onto Psychosis.

    Anyway, again, I am sorry I hurt your feelings I really truly did not mean to.
    OneLostGrl I truly thank you from the bottom of my heart for your post, and also for so very openly sharing with us all. It is wonderful to know that I am not alone sometimes. I have long had much difficulty due to the stigma attached to this very subject with sharing my own diagnosis's and experiences. It is others like you that truly help people like me to know that we are not outcasts of society!

    Have a very Merry Christmas!


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    Quote Originally Posted by tiredofthis View Post
    Very true. Fifteen years ago I had a nervous breakdown as the result of a lot of tough things which were going on in my life at the time. The drugs I was given caused me to become briefly psychotic. I checked myself into the hospital for a few days, because I had young children and felt it wasn't safe for me to be around them. I know what it feels like to be psychotic and it isn't fun. I didn't feel like going out partying with my friends. You couldn't get a smile on my face if you paid me a million dollars. It is one of the most terrifying things I have ever gone through and it makes me a little upset when people refer to KC as psychotic. She is not psychotic.

    Sorry about the life story.
    Thank you for sharing here, tiredofthis. Now I see why I always love your thoughts and posts, as I had a similar experience a few years back as well. After 2 unexpected deaths in my immediate family within 16 days of each other, and going through a nasty divorce! On top of that I am a nurse, with a stressful position, and the pain of ending up sick and broken in the very hospital that I work in compounded my illness! I was completely terrified and wanted to ball up in a corner and just wither away! I couldn't even walk myself to the bathroom, much less go out and party like like a rock star! I too know what psychosis feels like, and Casey has never ever been psychotic!

    I won't even get into the spiritual side of this case. However, I'll only say that I firmly believe that some are plain old evil. And only Divine Intervention can change the workings of evil. As long as Casey surrounds herself with so many like minded peopleas herself, chances for Divine Change are nill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetmop View Post
    Thank you for sharing here, tiredofthis. Now I see why I always love your thoughts and posts, as I had a similar experience a few years back as well. After 2 unexpected deaths in my immediate family within 16 days of each other, and going through a nasty divorce! On top of that I am a nurse, with a stressful position, and the pain of ending up sick and broken in the very hospital that I work in compounded my illness! I was completely terrified and wanted to ball up in a corner and just wither away! I couldn't even walk myself to the bathroom, much less go out and party like like a rock star! I too know what psychosis feels like, and Casey has never ever been psychotic!

    I won't even get into the spiritual side of this case. However, I'll only say that I firmly believe that some are plain old evil. And only Divine Intervention can change the workings of evil. As long as Casey surrounds herself with so many like minded peopleas herself, chances for Divine Change are nill.
    I love your posts too.

    I'm sorry you had to go through hell and I know it was hell. It is something I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy let alone a kind and caring person.

    I believe there is evil in this world and at the moment KC reeks of it.


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    If KC had a brain tumor she would display other physical symptoms of it
    I would think & the seizures would become more frequent and severe

    Often we want a cause, a reason for someone to behave so callously towards others . In describing Malignant Narcissism its difficult to
    get across how lack of empathy grandiosity and no moral compass
    allows them to do horrible things to the people close to them. The leap
    from thought to deed isnt far which is what makes them dangerous
    Casey has no normal feelings towards the people around her . They
    are divided into two groups useful or not useful .
    Caylee was a threat . She was talking more and more
    she was going to expose KC. She was also keeping her from spending time with TonE , intolerable to a narcissist . In her mind all she did was neutralize the threat , remove the obstacle. Once done she never thought about it again . By the time she was in blockbuster
    wrapped around TonE, Caylee was already a faint distant memory .
    Narcissists need enablers and because they need them they hate them
    Narcissist used to be called meglamania - its distressing to the narcissist who believes they are unique and special to need such ordinary
    pathetic creatures. They are consumed with fanasty greed and jealousy. They want it all - all the attention , all the resources . KC believed she was entitled to be catered to , to be taken care of . There are two excellent sites that explain Narcissism in laymans terms
    one is " narcissists suck" and the other is "what makes narcissist tick"
    you can find both through google searches .


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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpar View Post
    If KC had a brain tumor she would display other physical symptoms of it
    I would think & the seizures would become more frequent and severe

    Often we want a cause, a reason for someone to behave so callously towards others . In describing Malignant Narcissism its difficult to
    get across how lack of empathy grandiosity and no moral compass
    allows them to do horrible things to the people close to them. The leap
    from thought to deed isnt far which is what makes them dangerous
    Casey has no normal feelings towards the people around her . They
    are divided into two groups useful or not useful .
    Caylee was a threat . She was talking more and more
    she was going to expose KC. She was also keeping her from spending time with TonE , intolerable to a narcissist . In her mind all she did was neutralize the threat , remove the obstacle. Once done she never thought about it again . By the time she was in blockbuster
    wrapped around TonE, Caylee was already a faint distant memory .
    Narcissists need enablers and because they need them they hate them
    Narcissist used to be called meglamania - its distressing to the narcissist who believes they are unique and special to need such ordinary
    pathetic creatures. They are consumed with fanasty greed and jealousy. They want it all - all the attention , all the resources . KC believed she was entitled to be catered to , to be taken care of . There are two excellent sites that explain Narcissism in laymans terms
    one is " narcissists suck" and the other is "what makes narcissist tick"
    you can find both through google searches .

    I am not seeking a reason or explanation for how Casey could kill her precious daughter. I had a family member who was an extreme narcissit (my uncle, mom's brother) and Casey so fits the profile. My uncle did many of the very same behaviors as she does except for murder, that I know of. For me it does however explain her total and complete lack of emotion for any other person besides herself. Yes she is not just cold, she is also callous beyond belief and calculating. MN sure does fit like a worn old shoe imo.


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    A website I find imformative & helpful is a site called, "Murder Victims.com" This is for people who are lost in the pain of a loved one murdering a loved one. There is a discussion board for murder in the family. I'm sure this site may become helpful to the A family in the future. If any on W/S forumn are suffering from a loved one taken by murder this site will be so helpful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavanda Dolce View Post
    I agree 100% with that as a potential "diagnosis", however, when you say would it not be beneficial...I ask, "to what"? A defense? The answer is no. Many people walk this earth with that as a diagnosis of their own personality disorder, however, that doesn't "cause" one to commit murder. It very well may explain why no visible remorse, and why she is so indifferent...however, it is not a defense for murder. Again. It goes back to the "did the perp know right from wrong". There is no getting Casey out of this. Not in my opinion. She has shown far too much evidence of cognitive thinking during the 31 days that Caylee was "missing". I don't believe any diagnosis will release her from a guilty verdict...except one, which I will explain in the next post. Just my opinion.
    Bolding mine.

    I don't believe anyone wants to get Casey out of this. I further believe most of us here believe she is guilty, although possibly not the only guilty party.

    That said, I DO believe Casey was a victim of her upbringing. Sorry, but I really do. I can understand why she may have harbored anger/rage; its just a shame she took it out on Caylee.

    I also believe she did know right from wrong, EXCEPT, maybe not in that exact instant when the deed was done, IF she did the deed, and there wasn't another whole scenerio which I believe is also possible. IF Casey killed Caylee in a fit of rage, I believe its possible she went temporarily insane. No, I don't want her walking the street again, but I can honest to God understand what may have happened when and IF she killed her child.

    My opinion only


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwatch View Post
    Bolding mine.

    I don't believe anyone wants to get Casey out of this. I further believe most of us here believe she is guilty, although possibly not the only guilty party.

    That said, I DO believe Casey was a victim of her upbringing. Sorry, but I really do. I can understand why she may have harbored anger/rage; its just a shame she took it out on Caylee.

    I also believe she did know right from wrong, EXCEPT, maybe not in that exact instant when the deed was done, IF she did the deed, and there wasn't another whole scenerio which I believe is also possible. IF Casey killed Caylee in a fit of rage, I believe its possible she went temporarily insane. No, I don't want her walking the street again, but I can honest to God understand what may have happened when and IF she killed her child.

    My opinion only
    (above bolded by me respectfully!)

    Blackwatch I so agree with you about Casey being a victim of her own upbringing! Throughout this case it became much more clear and utterly oblvious that CA and Casey are like two peas in a pod. In fact it seems like an entire family of narcissists, imo. However when I delve into Casey it did seem to go one or two steps further.

    I shiver many times when I think of the enviroment in which our little peanut Caylee was living in. I am not saying she wasn't loved and cherished and mean no disrespect. Just a humble observation.

    Sharpar I apologize if my post came off as rude to you as I did not mean it to at all and I apologize if I offended you!


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    My stepdaughter is being raised by a mother that shares a lot of characteristics with Cindy with the exception of not being able to hold a job for more than 2 years (due to actions she takes in the workplace, actions based on her personality). I pray every day that she is able to survive her upbringing with her mind and personality intact. She already exhibits narcissistic tendencies like her mother. I think Casey is a product of nature and nurture. Her inherited (genetic) characteristics, combined with the environment she grew up in created the person she is today. Someone else correctly called it "the perfect storm."


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    WS friends, I found the most interesting link today, which I think may be quite insightful in demonstrating bonafide psychosis: Dr. Juliann Mitchell, Ph.D.'s, Profile of a Sociopath, written about Casey Anthony. Forget the profile piece, though -- check out the comments, particularly the comments by a poster calling herself "Marcia Neil." Now, there are quite a few comments to wade through, so bear with it. It's very interesting, IMO. As a professional who works in the mental health field, "Marcia Neil"'s comments are extremely consistent with psychosis. Note, this is different than delusional, as delusions are a fixed belief (which, okay, sometimes are nonsensical -- like, sometimes a person genuinely believes the moon is made of green cheese, etc). It's very nebulous, making the distinction between delusions and psychosis sometimes, so I'll just leave it at in my experience persons suffering from psychosis, who overtly demonstrate their symptoms, often show more disorganized and nonsensical thought patterns and beliefs (although they may make sense to the individual in their own mind). Persons with fixed delusions often present very believable ideas. The main difference is that psychosis can respond to medication; delusions do not.

    I thought Dr. Juliann Mitchell handled the poster's comments with extreme kindness, for what it's worth.

    I'm sure this profile has been posted in the media threads at some point, but I actually found it by accident, when I was reading an article on former Cook County Illinois judge Thomas J. Maloney. Go figure!


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    Quote Originally Posted by yosande View Post
    I do not agree with this opinion. I do not believe her stealing was an attention getter.
    I'm grateful that we both are allowed to state our opinions though.
    oh, and my mom has always said that you always have choices.
    There were plenty of choices other than murdering her daughter. She herself stated that fact to LE at Universal.
    Ohh, I agree with your mother 100% we choose our behaviors!


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