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    Patty, they had an opportunity to do something sensible in that area. Whenever they got that info, is when they should have at the very least had the friend show them the location. If not by land by air. They could have used a copper.
    Then they could have made a point of draining it or preserving it.
    It is the obvious location..people go where they have been.
    There is no way all searches should have been haulted, (as they were by LE), when they had one of her best childhood friends telling them this. She wasn't "iffy" about it at all. She said, "this is where KC would hide the body if she did this".

    added..and why did they NEVER go back there when it dried up? They did not take this woman serioulsy and it simply cost them finding the body in better shape.

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    A caller talking about a children's book with a character called "Zanny"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by newtv View Post
    i admit to the same outrage expressed about them not taking that location seriously..when I read the interview they had with her friend and saw what she told them, I just had sadness.
    LE had a chance to find caylee right away. They blew it and all the rest is a circus.
    It was not wet the whole time either..but even if it was..drain the area.
    Why did they not use this location as a starting place..just makes me crazy.
    Kiomarie's interview with LE was on August 12, 2008 and Hurricane Fay came around August 15th and it rained an awful lot in Florida in August and September into October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charo View Post
    The difference would of been, the family could of had closure 5 months and a funeral for Caylee 5 months ago and the trial would of been probably over by now and the family would of had some of their life back together by now- not much of it- but came to realization that Caylee isnt coming back- this 6 months of long drawn out wondering and hoping she was alive had to be agonizing to the family- it could of saved alot of grief and agony, and media ruckos that the Anthonys went through- it could of been over and done with by now
    It would have never happened if Casey would have took the high road and left Caylee with her parents. And it could have ended on day 31 if Casey had told the truth. This cannot by any means be blamed on LE or any searchers.
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    Pastor sent a letter to JVM. Panelist thinks jail could be taping conversations between Casey and pastor. Debating the priest penitent privilege...

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    Guest on show saying that jailhouse visit with Pastor could be recorded. The law varies from state to state. Priveledge does not apply. Wow ! Guess it's not like a Catholic confessional, huh ?

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    I agree with all of you- very hard case for LE and they were going on the pings, etc- guess i am looking at it right now on the sad side of it - just hurts my heart Caylee could of been found way before but I guess it was just meant to be- just sad to think of her laying there like that wasting away, just waiting for someone to find her and give the family closure-

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    Wasn't she the one guest hosting for NG when this subject was first brought up?

    I feel horrible that more credence was not given to KT's thoughts early on. She was actually at the location parked in teh street mere feet from the body, with the detective. But I can undersatnd how her thoughts got lost in the information overload. She was an old friend of the suspect who had had minimal recent contact. She had only ever seen Caylee twice in her life. At the time LE would have been treating her comments as very nearly heresay, or an extreme longshot at best.

    This still doesn't forgive that LE SHOULD have been much more aggressive in searching the immediate areas near the house much earlier on. They got snowed by a bigus timeline, high tech cell phone pings, and the assumption that the mother had fully left the house with the child. They forgot the basic rule that most searches of this type are found very very close to home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charo View Post
    The difference would of been, the family could of had closure 5 months and a funeral for Caylee 5 months ago and the trial would of been probably over by now and the family would of had some of their life back together by now- not much of it- but came to realization that Caylee isnt coming back- this 6 months of long drawn out wondering and hoping she was alive had to be agonizing to the family- it could of saved alot of grief and agony, and media ruckos that the Anthonys went through- it could of been over and done with by now
    Do you really think this family thought she was kidnapped? I think they have surmised all along she was gone, the rest was to put a level of doubt out there. No one can complain about the job that LE has done and is continuing to do. Hindsight is 20/20. With all the mis-truths given from this family it is only by the grace of God this child, who might be Caylee, was found at all.

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    I also recall back in August, that LE asked/begged TES to stay and search in August, because they were short on manpower, from working other cases, dealing with the consequences of the tropical storm, etc., etc. They even donated $5,000. to TES for their efforts. If TM reported back to them that nothing could be done to clear that area because of the storm water, then I'm sure they had a reason to concur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newtv View Post
    i admit to the same outrage expressed about them not taking that location seriously..when I read the interview they had with her friend and saw what she told them, I just had sadness.
    LE had a chance to find caylee right away. They blew it and all the rest is a circus.
    It was not wet the whole time either..but even if it was..drain the area.
    Why did they not use this location as a starting place..just makes me crazy.
    Somewhere around here, there is a compilation of the about a dozen articles, going back to September, regarding this eventual crime scene. LE and TES was interested, did search, and the exact area Caylee was found is said to be flooded from July through November every year. A neighbor kid says it's always knee to waist deep. Tim lost a special type of $10K ATV that sunk out of sight. Tim's announcement about the concern destroying evidence,in that area, that could be in water, therefore he was pulling out of there, was both prophetic and correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaKatz View Post
    The concern I would have with them using those big truck pumps is if it sucked up any evidence in the process, it could have damaged or destroyed evidence. A child's bones are so fragile and tiny...
    Yes!

    But no one is mentioning that aspect of it on TV. They should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByGrace View Post
    Do you really think this family thought she was kidnapped? I think they have surmised all along she was gone, the rest was to put a level of doubt out there. No one can complain about the job that LE has done and is continuing to do. Hindsight is 20/20. With all the mis-truths given from this family it is only by the grace of God this child, who might be Caylee, was found at all.
    Very well put, thank you.


    Should've, could've, would've.......have to deal with what is now.

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    Caylee discussion on show is now over. Now covering another case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaKatz View Post
    I also recall back in August, that LE asked/begged TES to stay and search in August, because they were short on manpower, from working other cases, dealing with the consequences of the tropical storm, etc., etc. They even donated $5,000. to TES for their efforts. If TM reported back to them that nothing could be done to clear that area because of the storm water, then I'm sure they had a reason to concur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faefrost View Post
    OK I know we are not supposed to be critical of the show hosts... but JVM seems to have suddenly discovered the "Zanny the Nanny" book? Wasn't she the one guest hosting for NG when this subject was first brought up? repeatedly?

    I feel horrible that more credence was not given to KT's thoughts early on. She was actually at the location parked in teh street mere feet from the body, with the detective. But I can undersatnd how her thoughts got lost in the information overload. She was an old friend of the suspect who had had minimal recent contact. She had only ever seen Caylee twice in her life. At the time LE would have been treating her comments as very nearly heresay, or an extreme longshot at best.

    This still doesn't forgive that LE SHOULD have been much more aggressive in searching the immediate areas near the house much earlier on. They got snowed by a bigus timeline, high tech cell phone pings, and the assumption that the mother had fully left the house with the child. They forgot the basic rule that most searches of this type are found very very close to home.
    You know, I honestly think a lot of online posters who follow this case seem to know more of its in's & out's than the major network reporters! I'd bet on it, actually. If only we were getting paid right now...

    Also, about not heeding Kiomarie's info-- I don't know. Kiomarie's interview struck me, and continues to strike me as odd and lacking credibility. She sounded both confused and confusing. She was also unable to distinguish her experiences with Casey Anthony from her experiences with another friend allegedly named Casey W****ams. A lot of info she gave sounded odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaKatz View Post
    The concern I would have with them using those big truck pumps is if it sucked up any evidence in the process, it could have damaged or destroyed evidence. A child's bones are so fragile and tiny...
    Great point. It all played out in the end. Just perfectly. There will be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking (myself included) but as long as LE is straight up about the facts as to why the area wasn't searched then there's no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilly Willy View Post
    I'm sure they would have if they'd had any indication that Caylee's body was there.
    ITA! We can play what if's all day doesnt change anything. Im sure alot of people would of been complain if they did on how much it cost. Cant please everyone all of the time.
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    I suppose pyhscial searching, geothermal gear, and cadaver dogs could have found Caylee before the storms hit, but I still wonder if she was buried in a shallow grave under plants. Someone on the show mentioned that the little animals are what dig some bodies out of the shallow graves. Hopefully cause of death will still be able to be determined.

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    I like Jane very much also-not bashing LE or no one else- just was wishing they could of searched sooner in this area- and I agree with the one poster- this should of never happened to begin with- Casey should of gave Caylee to her parents and went about her business and did her partying, etc and everything could of been fine- but this goes back to 'should of" "could of"- its always too late

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    Quote Originally Posted by newtv View Post
    Patty, they had an opportunity to do something sensible in that area. Whenever they got that info, is when they should have at the very least had the friend show them the location. If not by land by air. They could have used a copper.
    Then they could have made a point of draining it or preserving it.
    It is the obvious location..people go where they have been.
    There is no way all searches should have been haulted, (as they were by LE), when they had one of her best childhood friends telling them this. She wasn't "iffy" about it at all. She said, "this is where KC would hide the body if she did this".

    added..and why did they NEVER go back there when it dried up? They did not take this woman serioulsy and it simply cost them finding the body in better shape.
    The friend did take LE out there. There was a copter up. The area was underwater up until about ten days before Caylee was found. The area was not searchable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennyb View Post
    Great point. It all played out in the end. Just perfectly. There will be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking (myself included) but as long as LE is straight up about the facts as to why the area wasn't searched then there's no problem.
    They certainly are making up in thoroughness here sifting through the crime site for evidence. The SA and LE and FBI are all doing a great job on the crime scene from what I can see. (Wed. evening quaterback) lol
    KC found her pot of gold in others pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty G View Post
    Kiomarie's interview with LE was on August 12, 2008 and Hurricane Fay came around August 15th and it rained an awful lot in Florida in August and September into October.
    Thanks for pointing that out Patty As my granddad use to say Take a walk in there shoes you might see things differently. Honestly this case cant be easy for LE and having them get creditized for it is beyond me JMO but thats just me
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    They certainly are making up in thoroughness here sifting through the crime site for evidence. The SA and LE and FBI are all doing a great job on the crime scene from what I can see. (Wed. evening quaterback) lol
    hehe. I'll be Thursday morning quarterback tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennyb View Post
    hehe. I'll be Thursday morning quarterback tomorrow.
    I can't wait til Friday...waiting on pins and needles. Astro charts indicate that Friday will be a very eventful day regarding ID and such...not a good day at all for the perp.
    KC found her pot of gold in others pockets.

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