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  1. #16
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    Since he had 2 tickets stubs for the same night and no money on him, I always felt he didn't attend the concert. Maybe just hanging out and picked up the stubs as a momento. I can see my son doing something like that.

    Only problem with that thinking is both stubs came from the same guy in PA, so if Jason is not the person that used them, he would have had to gotten both stubs from the same person. Not just picked them up off the ground.

    so many unanswered questions.


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    Does anyone know yet if the tix were from diff dates or the same? If not perhaps we could organize a way to figure that out? It would be great to see a pic of the actual tix or at the very least get some details.


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    Richard, who has investigated this case for years, wrote in post #90 on the original thread on Jan. 5, 2006: "The ticket stubs had been used and were for successive days of the RFK concert, June 24 and 25. It was believed by investigators that the unknown hitch hiker had attended both days of the concert and that he had bought the tickets from a scalper at the event."


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    "Miracle Tickets"

    Could Jason have received what older Grateful Dead fans refer to as a "Miracle Ticket"? A "miracle ticket" to older Grateful Dead fans means a free ticket to a show - usually obtained by pleading poverty. Do we know what condition Jason's pants and shoes were in? We know he had a fairly new, perhaps even from the 24th or 25th GD tshirt (from the 1995 summer tour). Maybe he wasn't wearing any shirt at all when he arrived at RFK Stadium and someone bought him the shirt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RKnowley View Post
    Could Jason have received what older Grateful Dead fans refer to as a "Miracle Ticket"? A "miracle ticket" to older Grateful Dead fans means a free ticket to a show - usually obtained by pleading poverty. Do we know what condition Jason's pants and shoes were in? We know he had a fairly new, perhaps even from the 24th or 25th GD tshirt (from the 1995 summer tour). Maybe he wasn't wearing any shirt at all when he arrived at RFK Stadium and someone bought him the shirt?
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    I guess this could be possible. It would make sense that he was down on his luck. He was only traveling with a dollar in quaters. Do we know how much the tickets for both shows would have cost him or how much his shirt would of been? I still think that it is weird that he had so little money on him and no Id or change of clothes.
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    The tickets were marked at $32.50 each. I would think that a scalper would try to get more than that out of them. I am not sure how much the shirt would have cost. Was it actual GD merchandise or was it an average Joe who did the tie dying, etc. who was trying to make a buck? I don't know if that has been determined 100% or not? It does look like legit GD merchandise to me.

    I can't really say it bothers me that much about him having so little money or no change of clothing with him, the more articles I read about Grateful Dead followers/deadheads, the more I believe that it was a common occurance that they travelled with so little.

    Quote Originally Posted by theforgotten View Post
    I guess this could be possible. It would make sense that he was down on his luck. He was only traveling with a dollar in quaters. Do we know how much the tickets for both shows would have cost him or how much his shirt would of been? I still think that it is weird that he had so little money on him and no Id or change of clothes.


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    Scalping GD tickets isn't the same as scalping other tickets. It is very frowned on to try selling tickets above face value. Much more common to sell them for less than you paid for them, or to give them away free as 'miracle' tickets. Since the scalper says he sold the tickets the day of the first show, it's doubtful someone paid for them and handed them free to GDF. More likely that he paid for the tickets, attended the shows, probably ate there (does autopsy say what he'd recently eaten?), bought the tshirt and then only had a buck in change left.

    The GD allowed anyone to record them, make tshirts, buttons, stickers etc., and sell them. Very different from other bands. However, if GDF was wearing a tshirt that was specific to that particular tour, it's most likely he bought it/got it at the show, since most GD merchandisers did not sell tour tshirts- those were sold directly by GD.

    My ex was a deadhead, and he went to tons of their shows- and every show that was in California. The difference is that unlike most deadheads, my ex had money. It was very common for him to buy a bunch of tickets and give them to his friends. He'd also drive them there, pay for food, alcohol and drugs as well as tshirts for them. So I'm guessing a lot of his friends had less than a buck in their pockets as well. You can probably see why he's now an ex.

    Many of his friends did not have driver's licenses for various reasons, and since they also had no money, I'm guessing they commonly went around without a wallet or ID. Not many people have IDs if they don't have a license. There were groups of people who travelled to every show in every state, by hitchiking. I'm pretty sure they didn't have money, either.

    While the GD concerts were a little different from other band's concerts, I don't think it's surprising that nobody has identified him just because he had GD ticket stubs on him. After going to all those shows, (and, probably being higher than a kite), I doubt my ex could identify anyone, even if he'd seen them at several shows. There are just too many people, and too many travelling people to really get to know anyone.

    I went to a couple of them just before Jerry Garcia died- wasn't really my cup of tea. I don't recall seeing anyone showing up without a shirt on (I think most venues have some kind of dress code) but I did see people take their shirts off after they were there and tie them around their waist. And, I did see several times where someone would buy a tshirt, remove the shirt they were wearing, put the new one on and toss the old one in a garbage can. I saw both guys and girls do that.

    It's possible his family didn't even know he liked the GD. And, a lot of deadheads have no contact with their families anyway.

    Just my thoughts.


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    Thank you so much for your input! Your information sheds a lot of light on the lifestyle of a Grateful Deadhead. It doesn't surprise me in the least though that with them being "roadies" that they travel with so little, just what they have on their backs basically, travelling from town to town, bumming a ride, trying to get to the next show.

    We do not know what the autopsy shows as far as what GDF had to eat or if he had eaten recently. I believe all we know from that is that he didn't have any alcohol or drugs in his system.

    Thank you again for your post. I appreciate it.


    Quote Originally Posted by glorybug View Post
    Scalping GD tickets isn't the same as scalping other tickets. It is very frowned on to try selling tickets above face value. Much more common to sell them for less than you paid for them, or to give them away free as 'miracle' tickets. Since the scalper says he sold the tickets the day of the first show, it's doubtful someone paid for them and handed them free to GDF. More likely that he paid for the tickets, attended the shows, probably ate there (does autopsy say what he'd recently eaten?), bought the tshirt and then only had a buck in change left.

    The GD allowed anyone to record them, make tshirts, buttons, stickers etc., and sell them. Very different from other bands. However, if GDF was wearing a tshirt that was specific to that particular tour, it's most likely he bought it/got it at the show, since most GD merchandisers did not sell tour tshirts- those were sold directly by GD.

    My ex was a deadhead, and he went to tons of their shows- and every show that was in California. The difference is that unlike most deadheads, my ex had money. It was very common for him to buy a bunch of tickets and give them to his friends. He'd also drive them there, pay for food, alcohol and drugs as well as tshirts for them. So I'm guessing a lot of his friends had less than a buck in their pockets as well. You can probably see why he's now an ex.

    Many of his friends did not have driver's licenses for various reasons, and since they also had no money, I'm guessing they commonly went around without a wallet or ID. Not many people have IDs if they don't have a license. There were groups of people who travelled to every show in every state, by hitchiking. I'm pretty sure they didn't have money, either.

    While the GD concerts were a little different from other band's concerts, I don't think it's surprising that nobody has identified him just because he had GD ticket stubs on him. After going to all those shows, (and, probably being higher than a kite), I doubt my ex could identify anyone, even if he'd seen them at several shows. There are just too many people, and too many travelling people to really get to know anyone.

    I went to a couple of them just before Jerry Garcia died- wasn't really my cup of tea. I don't recall seeing anyone showing up without a shirt on (I think most venues have some kind of dress code) but I did see people take their shirts off after they were there and tie them around their waist. And, I did see several times where someone would buy a tshirt, remove the shirt they were wearing, put the new one on and toss the old one in a garbage can. I saw both guys and girls do that.

    It's possible his family didn't even know he liked the GD. And, a lot of deadheads have no contact with their families anyway.

    Just my thoughts.


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    It was my understanding that there weren't ever really all that many fans that actually travelled to ALL the shows. I am going to guess the majority were like my ex- they went to shows in their state mostly, and I think he was an exception- my guess is that GDF actually lived somewhere within a 2-3 hour distance from where the concert was held.

    It's not likely he was directly from the area, but probably at least far enough away that he would need to find a place to stay overnight in order to see both shows. It was common to stay over at a 'friend of a friend' that you did not know.

    Not having drugs/alcohol in his system is interesting. The few shows I went to, the drugs were being traded/used openly. There was so much pot being smoked that there was a heavy haze over the crowd at an outdoor stadium. They had open bars. He may have been one of the 'straight-edgers'. Not using drugs/drinking, crashing at someone's house for free might have left him just enough money to buy the 2 tickets and the shirt.

    Rethinking what I wrote before, considering he had 2 tickets from 2 shows, I can't see how anyone who wasn't fairly into it could sit through 2 of those shows. They would essentially have been the same show twice. But, if he was that big of a fan, I'd expect he would have spent his last dollar buying a sticker or something. I really think his family did not know he was into that music. He could have been estranged from them for years.

    Other shows I have been to are strict about the seating on the ticket, but I did not see that at the shows I went to- people moved around from seat to seat and area to area, so I don't think that could be helpful.

    I really think following all clues that don't involve GD might be helpful, and I really do think looking for missing persons within a 3 hour distance should be looked into.


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    Interesting post! So, basically if we are looking for someone who was missing approximately a 3 hour distance from where the Grateful Dead shows were those two evenings (RFK Stadium in Washington, DC), then it's possible that GDF was almost home. GFD and driver died in Emporia, Virginia which is approximately a 3 hour and 15 minute drive, more or less.
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    I have always wondered if Jason was almost home. If I were drving from DC to Inman SC I would have taken the I-85 Exit near Petersburg, I would not have come down to Emporia and taken 58 over to I-85, which it appears he was doing. Did the driver take a small detour to take Jason home? Did he miss the I-85 exit near Petersburg (very easy to do), or did the fathers house take them on this route. We know the driver visited his fathers house, but I have never heard where the house is located. I know Glouchester County, but not sure of the address. So many questions!


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    I found a Dr. H G H who lives on Queens Drive in Williamsburg, VA. It looks like because of the stop at his father's place he took I-95 instead? IMO, I think once he reached Emporia, VA, it seems to me he was going to take US 58 across to I-85 and head down into NC and down to home (Inman, SC). Was it his intent to take Jason home with him?? I dunno??

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCSleuth View Post
    I have always wondered if Jason was almost home. If I were drving from DC to Inman SC I would have taken the I-85 Exit near Petersburg, I would not have come down to Emporia and taken 58 over to I-85, which it appears he was doing. Did the driver take a small detour to take Jason home? Did he miss the I-85 exit near Petersburg (very easy to do), or did the fathers house take them on this route. We know the driver visited his fathers house, but I have never heard where the house is located. I know Glouchester County, but not sure of the address. So many questions!
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    I agree, it looks like he was taking 58 from I95 over to I85, but that is not the shortest route. It adds about 25 miles to his trip. That is not much, but it still not the preferred route from Williamsburg, VA to Inman, SC. Question is did he do that on purpose? Taking Jason home along the route? (somewhere between Emporia and South Hill, VA) Just knew that route better? Missed an exit?

    You know, I always assumed he came down to Emporia and took 58W to I85, do we know that for sure? did he take I85 down to South Hill and 58E toward Emporia. Was he heading west when the accident occurred?


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    Hmmm...I guess in reality we don't really know what route he took? We only know that he ended up having the car accident just west of Emporia, VA on US 58. He could have actually taken another route to wind up there. I need to go back and read through things better. Do you know what time he left his father's home? If we knew an approximate time and barring he didn't make any stops,if we knew what time the accident happened, we might be able to figure out the route he took? It's difficult to say. So much for the map, lol! It's not going to help us much now!

    Quote Originally Posted by NCSleuth View Post
    I agree, it looks like he was taking 58 from I95 over to I85, but that is not the shortest route. It adds about 25 miles to his trip. That is not much, but it still not the preferred route from Williamsburg, VA to Inman, SC. Question is did he do that on purpose? Taking Jason home along the route? (somewhere between Emporia and South Hill, VA) Just knew that route better? Missed an exit?

    You know, I always assumed he came down to Emporia and took 58W to I85, do we know that for sure? did he take I85 down to South Hill and 58E toward Emporia. Was he heading west when the accident occurred?


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    If you don't mind I want to "take our conversation over to the thread about the driver of the van so it will make it easier to find later. Here is a link to that thread The Driver - Michael Eric Hager - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community.

    If a mod wants to move the part of the thread here that talks about the driver and his route he may have taken the day of the accident that would be fantastic, if not, I can just cross-link them.


    Quote Originally Posted by NCSleuth View Post
    I agree, it looks like he was taking 58 from I95 over to I85, but that is not the shortest route. It adds about 25 miles to his trip. That is not much, but it still not the preferred route from Williamsburg, VA to Inman, SC. Question is did he do that on purpose? Taking Jason home along the route? (somewhere between Emporia and South Hill, VA) Just knew that route better? Missed an exit?

    You know, I always assumed he came down to Emporia and took 58W to I85, do we know that for sure? did he take I85 down to South Hill and 58E toward Emporia. Was he heading west when the accident occurred?
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