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    NY - Elizabeth A Barrett, 43, New York City, 21 Aug 2007



    ELIZABETH ANTOINETTE BARRETT
    Nickname: Toni
    Missing: 8/21/07’ from Port Authority NYC (assumed)
    DOB: 11/06/63
    Age: 43
    Height: 4'11 Weight: 125
    Hair: Brown (pulled back in ponytail) Eyes: Brown
    Last known Address: 203 E. Whittington St. Greensboro, NC 27406
    Clothes: Dark denim jeans, a navy blue or black hooded sweater and white and blue Reebok sneakers. Other: Big tan purse with magazines, books and snacks in it (was with luggage). She was thought to be wearing a necklace with a cross.

    Elizabeth Antoinette Barrett boarded the 4:15PM bus headed to Greensboro, NC from the Peter Pan Bus station in Springfield, MA. She arrived at the NYC Port Authority at 8:15PM. She was to have a 40-minute layover at the Port Authority in New York City and board a connecting bus headed towards Richmond, VA. There is no further information as to her whereabouts from this point on. A missing persons report was filed with the Springfield, Police Department (MA) by her family on Thursday 8/23/07. According to family, the Springfield Police have proven Barrett did arrive at the NYC Port Authority.

    According to her niece *: Her aunt's luggage and purse arrived at the Greyhound Bus terminal in Greensboro, NC on Thursday 8/23/07 at 5:00PM, which was 1 day after her expected arrival time of Wed. 8/22/07 at 9:00AM. According to a Greyhound employee in Greensboro, NC her luggage was put on a bus in NYC headed towards Richmond at 8:21AM Wednesday 8/22/07 Over 12 hours after she arrived in NYC.

    If you have any information you are asked to contact
    Springfield Police Department,
    Officer Robert Taylor at 413-787-6360

    * http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=235331954

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    The reconstructive sketch of an UID found in Dec. 2007 bears a likeness to Ms. Barrett. Link to UID discussion below.






    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77137


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    The Springfield Police Department, Port Authority Police (NYC) and the Greensboro Police Department were all notified of Ms. Barrett's disappearance. I was unable to find information listing her as a missing person on any of their sites. There is no clear proof of which State Elizabeth was in when she went missing.

    The family was told by Port Authority Police that Elizabeth's luggage and (empty)purse were found in Port Authority. Since there were destination tags on the luggage it was placed on a bus destined for Greensboro, NC. A Greyhound employee in Greensboro, NC told the family the luggage/purse were put on a bus in NYC headed towards Richmond on Wed 8/22/07 at 8:21AM and arrived in Greensboro on Thurs 8/23/07 at 5PM. Despite the finding of Elizabeth's belongings in the Port Authority building being followed 2 days later with a missing persons concern, the Port Authority police did not investigate Elizabeth's disappearance.

    Springfield, MA Police did take a missing persons report from the family on Thurs. Aug.23. According to SPD, it was proven that Elizabeth arrived at Port Authority. No information was given to the family as to how this was proven.

    Elizabeth was a resident of Greensboro, NC at that time. The GPD were not receptive to listing Elizabeth as missing or alerting the public.

    When initially reading of Ms. Barrett being a missing person the first question that came to mind was 'What determines which LE agency handles a case like this?

    Elizabeth was not a Massachusetts resident at the time she went missing. The family states she did leave MA on the bus that day at 4:15PM. There is nothing to indicate Elizabeth went missing while under MA jurisdiction.Although she was a NC resident, it was presumed she went missing outside of NC's jurisdiction.The luggage and purse being found in Port Authority would suggest she went missing from NYC.

    Is anyone aware of how LE involvement is determined in a case like this? Since Interstate travel was involved might the FBI be of assistance?


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    IIRC from the niece's myspace, the surveillance footage from the terminal was not reviewed because the Port Authority believed it was too grainy. This makes little sense to me and makes me wonder in a 40 minute layover, where most of the passengers went other than to the powder room.

    So my questions would be:
    1.) Did the passengers transfer their own luggage from bus to bus or is it handled by the PA? If by the PA, where was her luggage for 12 hours?

    2.) Did anyone other than the Port Authority see the footage to determine how grainy it really was?

    3.) Were the other passengers questioned to see if they knew what happened to her?
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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    IIRC from the niece's myspace, the surveillance footage from the terminal was not reviewed because the Port Authority believed it was too grainy. This makes little sense to me and makes me wonder in a 40 minute layover, where most of the passengers went other than to the powder room.

    So my questions would be:
    1.) Did the passengers transfer their own luggage from bus to bus or is it handled by the PA? If by the PA, where was her luggage for 12 hours?

    2.) Did anyone other than the Port Authority see the footage to determine how grainy it really was?

    3.) Were the other passengers questioned to see if they knew what happened to her?


    1.)According to bus policies passengers are responsible for transferring their own luggage. Will ask Cheyenne if they were told where luggage was found.

    2)Will double check but believe only Port Authority viewed the video. Your question brings forth another...if the video was too grainy for viewing how did they know for certain Ms. Barrett was at Port Authority? Will ask if the proof she was there was based solely on luggage.

    3)Not that family is aware of. Greyhound told Cheyenne that they could not verify her Aunt was on the bus until ticket stubs were sent in by the driver. I am still trying to gain information on this procedure.

    An interesting aside is 2 other women went missing in 2007 under similar circumstances as Elizabeth......at bus depots & traveling via greyhound transportation. One in May, the other in Nov. One of the woman was Audrey Blake. She is now listed as 'recovered' on NCMA site. Though I cannot find any other information on her to explain what 'recovered' indicates. My initial reaction is she is deceased.


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    Would you mind giving links to the other two? I mean I suppose it is not uncommon for women to go missing on public transportation, but maybe there are common denominators?

    Thank you for your replies Capoly-so let's consider the possibility that Elizabeth's luggage and purse were transported to the bus to SC after it was not removed from the Springfield, MA bus. I mean with only 40 minutes between buses, maybe there is a process in place for passengers who leave their luggage behind and the luggage has been ticketed/ID'd.

    What bothers me about this is that this is POST 9/11 in NYC-are you telling me unclaimed luggage sat around unattended for 12 hours? That makes no sense to me. Talk about a weak link for Homeland Security.
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    Ponder this thought with me folks...if we can verify that noone checked in with any of the passengers on the bus, maybe we can post something on City Data or CL looking for people who were on the bus??? Too far out there??
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    Here are links, believe09. And an interesting request made in 2001 on Greyhounders Yahoo forum. No replies though so don't know if person was successful in getting info.

    December 2007-Audrey Blake

    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...4?OpenDocument

    http://www.projectjason.org/forums/i...14.0;topicseen

    http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200805536S

    Barbara Ann Hutchinson May 2007
    http://www.bethebadge.com/pressrelea...d=710200885435

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_barbara.html



    From Greyhounders:
    looking for greyhound employee(s)

    I'm looking to find a greyhound employee (or someone who knows one) that has
    access to passenger lists, etc., to assist in locating a missing person. Will
    compensate for right info
    Fri Dec 28, 2001 7:25 am


    ETA the smilie was posters.


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    Cheyenne supplied these answers to my questions. (hope I asked the right questions, believe09) Information from that time is on Cheyenne's grandmother's (Elizabeth's mother) computer. Since Elizabeth's missing is very distressing for her grandmother, Cheyenne will only access the computer when her grandmother is not present. Also, am trying to ask the questions in as neutral a way as possible so as not to bring a flood of emotions back on Cheyenne.

    If anyone has a question(s) that be good to ask, please post it.

    Notice part of the answer in bold red...good for them going down there!


    >1.) Was family told where your Aunt's luggage was found? No, they gave no specific location.

    > 2.) Was family told that luggage was found by Port Authority personnel or Greyhound personnel? Security or maintenance? All they said was that it was found and forwarded to it's destination.

    > 3.) Was family given an approx time for when the luggage was found? According to a Greyhound employee in Greensboro, NC, her luggage was put on a bus in NYC headed towards Richmond at 8:21am Wednesday, 8/22/07 and finally made it to Greensboro on Thursday 8/23/07 at 5:00 pm.

    > 4.) The security video that Port Authority said was too grainy for family to view....Did someone from Port Authority actually view it? (as far as you were told) And did they say your Aunt was seen on this video by PA police? This one is just ridiculous- The very first story from the PA police was that the video was too grainy to recognize anyone. They didn't see anyone matching her description get off the bus. Then my grandmother, mother and myself popped up on Det. Mays (who was suppose to be investigating the case) and demanded to see the video and he said it was erased. He said that he personally viewed the tape and she was not picked up by any of the camera's. In my opinion, they never watched the tape.

    > 5.) Springfield police told family they were able to prove your Aunt was at Port Authority. Did they say how they proved this? Was it by PA viewing of the video? Or based solely on your Aunts luggage being found at Port Authority? Springfield police interviewed the bus driver and he said he remembers my aunt. There were only 4 people on the bus headed to NYC and she was one of them. He said she got off the bus at the Port Authority.

    > 6.) Did family ever hear back from Greyhound re ticket stubs that were to be turned in by bus driver? The bus company told the police that the only ticket used was the one from Springfield to NYC. They said the rest of her tickets were not used.

    > 7.)Did Port Authority police or Greyhound or Springfield police say they would be speaking to passengers of the buses your Aunt was on or supposed to be on? No one interviewed the passengers on the bus. I was begging for them to.

    > 8.) Do you have any paperwork you can scan and email to me, like the missing persons report? If so,before sending please cover all personal information such as social security number, family addresses & phone numbers & last names in dark black marker. Yes, I have both the Springfield and NYC reports.

    > 9.) Did your Aunt have any friends in the NYC area? People she may have met through the Internet and may have been aware of her plans? My aunt had no friends or family in NYC.

    > 10.) Do you have the names of persons/agency family has spoken with over the past year? Everyone we spoke to are police officers. I can get there info off the police reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by believe09 View Post
    Ponder this thought with me folks...if we can verify that noone checked in with any of the passengers on the bus, maybe we can post something on City Data or CL looking for people who were on the bus??? Too far out there??
    Will post on Springfield's CL/City Data later today. Only 4 people on the bus!


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    Bus ticket number was 18008328. According to Peter Pan Customer Service the bus arrived on time at 7:50PM (Not 8:15 as previously thought/posted). This was an express bus to New York City.


    A snip from a letter written by Elizabeth Barrett's 15 year old daughter. She sent the letter to news sources with hopes of her mom getting some publicity.

    "I'm not asking for your sympathy, I'm asking for your help. I need people to realize that I can't do this all by myself. My family has nowhere else to turn and we don't know what more we can do. I don't know more else I can tell you. I'm scared,worried, and stressed and just need people to open up their eyes and mouths and take action. I know my mom wouldn't have just went up and disappeared with out a word. I have a really strong feeling that something happened to my mom and she's out there needing our help.
    So let me ask you,"Is there anybody out there that can help me find my mother?" Is there anybody that can help me do more than I already did?"


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    I think it would be a good idea to do background checks on the bus driver and the three other passengers mentioned in capoly's post.

    Susan


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    Quote Originally Posted by TGIRecovered View Post
    I think it would be a good idea to do background checks on the bus driver and the three other passengers mentioned in capoly's post.

    Susan

    Agree with you. Am also trying to determine where this bus was scheduled to go after Port Authority.

    The purse being returned empty strikes me as strange. It was apparently one of those large catch-all type purse/bags and contained magazines, books and snacks for the trip. But it was found empty with the luggage? If security emptied out the contents as a safety check, wouldn't they put the items back in the purse? A thief isn't likely to take the time to return an empty purse. Nor an abductor.


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