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    Investigating the Investigators-Timeline of who knew what & when

    I have been attempting to put together some information about the timeline concerning the Private Investigators being at the location that is/or may be the place that Caylee’s body was found.
    There seems to be so many questions swirling around this that a thread devoted to just that subject would may yeild some very useful information.

    There have been questions concerning if the reader meter was tipped off to go there and who would have done that. Did Dominic C or John H. the PI’s know that Caylee’s body was there. Who sent DC to that area .in the first place and why was JH with him. Is it the same location that Kio C told detective Happy W. about in her interview? How does Cowboy dude fit in to this as well as? Is Caylee Alive Lady [Joy?] part of this also?
    Plus anything else that someone may think of.

    I know that all of these people have been discussed in various threads but thought it might be helpful to put anything that would be helpful in one place. Then as we add information we can regroup place in chronological order and see what we collectively come up with. With everything getting spread out amongst the separate threads it makes it difficult to spot information that makes you ‘sit up and take notice’.


    Using this information we can develop fact based theories and also have a handy reference list for any upcoming charges/trial. Dates can then also be entered on the Calandar.

    Can we build on this list that that I started. I thought maybe if we put all of the events in order we may be able to see if …how and who would have been part of why they where out there taking video and who knew what and when they knew it.


    July 25, 2008: Casey released on Bond

    October 6, 2008: Motion – Casey's attorney wants to be able to retrace her steps with her
    http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/1006/17636252.pdf Page 13 of this PDF

    November 14, 2008: Dr. Lee examines the car

    November 15 & 16, 2008: Private Investigators visit the site

    November 19: A blog from Rev. G.
    The large gentlemen in the cowboy hat female associate that was holding the sign stating Caylee Is Alive at Jay Blanchard Park [He is a private investigator hired by Mark N. [The A’s attorney] His name is Dennis M. according to Rev. G.
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=63

    November 20, 2008: Nejame quits and the Anthony’s cancel their press conference

    November 29, 2008 Press Release
    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/11/prweb1682364.htm

    December 11, 2008: same meter reader who called in August found Caylee’s remains.

    Tim M from TES on search that had been done for Caylee in area that she was found
    http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/My...1&locale=EN-US

    December 17, 2008: Crime scene reports by Channel 13 news
    http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2...it_caylee.html

    December 22, 2008: Baez filed a motion with Judge Stan Strickland on Monday requesting access to the evidence.
    http://www.wesh.com/news/18344942/detail.html

    December 23, 2008: Baez granted access to crime scene evidence
    http://www.wesh.com/news/18344942/detail.html

    Other helpful information:
    Picture of Cowboy Dude
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=63

    Picture of Dennis M., Dominic C., John H. all together
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...&postcount=830

    Kio C interview July 19 [page 58]
    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080376/...eleased-part-3

    Meter reader first called August 11
    http://www.wftv.com/news/16991834/detail.html

    Release of the 911 calls in August
    http://www.wftv.com/news/18343056/detail.html

    December 19, 2008: Meter Reader Presser
    http://www.wftv.com/news/18315429/detail.html#-

    Some other needed dates with valid links to back it up that might be helpful.

    Date Dominic C. was hired by JB with who said he was.
    Date that Todd B. quit after he made press comment about a deceased Caylee and what was said.
    Date Dominic C. was ? fired by JB
    Who said the Dominic C was working for the A’s and dates
    Dates’ of Caylee Alive Sightings
    When did John H. first come onto the scene?
    Date of first search of area by TES
    Date of GSJ video of area
    Search of JB Park by LP
    Statements by the A’s that may be helpful in figuring things out.
    A fence was put up on the property that Caylee was found on when did that happen?




    Please add other dates and links that my be helpful.

    Thank you
    Shadow

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    More information

    7/16/08 Casey calls her family and talks with her mother, Cindy, brother, Lee Anthony, and a friend, Kristina Chester.

    7/17/08 Prison Visitors
    Baez, Jose Angel 7/17/08 11:11:34 – 15:53:15 Attorney visit
    Baez, Jose Angel 7/17/08 19:10:15 – 21:19:23 Attorney visit
    Adam, Gabriel E. 7/17/08 19:11:38 – 21:19:25 Attorney visit
    Baez, Jose Angel 7/17/08 21:29:23 – 22:09:21 Attorney visit
    http://www.wesh.com/2008/0728/17017776.pdf

    July 19, 2008
    Location of where Kio C. interview was done by Det. Happy W.
    LE Interview with Kio C. Det. HW is sitting in his car with Kio in the parking lot in front of Hidden Oaks Elementary School 9051 Suburban Dr.
    Page 208 Kio C.
    Interview with LE July 19, 2008
    Document released to Public August 26, 2008
    http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...%20151-263.pdf

    July 19, 2008
    Description by Kio C. of the hiding spot on Suburban Drive.
    KC: Jessica showed us this hiding spot behind Hidden Oaks Elementary School and back in the day there were no fences up here. There was just ah, like a dirt hill and you could go back there with your bicycles and there are two different spots back there where we used to hang out.
    Page 209 Lines 18-22 Kio C.
    Interview with LE July 19, 2008
    Document released to Public August 26, 2008
    http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...%20151-263.pdf

    July 21, 2008
    Prison Visitors
    Baez, Jose Angel 7/21/08 19:06:55 – 20:25:04 Attorney visit
    http://www.wesh.com/2008/0728/17017776.pdf

    July 21, 2008
    Casey's attorney sends a letter to the Orange County Sheriff's Office, which states that they are willing to "cooperate fully" with law enforcement.

    July 23, 2008
    Prison Visitors
    Baez, Jose Angel 7/23/08 21:21:25 – 22:22:11 Attorney visit
    http://www.wesh.com/2008/0728/17017776.pdf

    July 23, 2008
    Cindy invited all of KC's friends to go over to their home to talk

    July 24, 2008 & July 25, 2008
    A series of three 911 and jailhouse calls are released to the public

    July 25, 2008
    Lee Anthony, George Anthony & Cindy Anthony visit Casey in prision.

    July 25, 2008
    Prison Visitors
    Phlegar, Edward 7/25/08 16:38:33 – 18:55:50 Interview
    Baez, Jose Angel 7/25/08 16:34:08 – 18:55:48 Attorney visit
    Allen, John V. 7/25/08 16:26:58 – 19:31:56 Law Enforcement Agency
    Kispert, Michael T. 7/25/08 16:25:31 – 19:31:54 Law Enforcement Agency
    http://www.wesh.com/2008/0728/17017776.pdf

    July 26, 2008
    Prison Visitors
    Baez, Jose Angel 7/26/08 15:03:04 – 17:29:01 Attorney visit
    http://www.wesh.com/2008/0728/17017776.pdf

    August 15, 2008
    Two private investigators meet with Casey in jail. Edward Phlegar and Dominic Casey , both work for Jose Baez
    [This is listed on WFTV site but I am having trouble verifying this information. Need a link to the jail visitor log for months other than July to confirm ]
    Jail Log for month of July. Edward P shows but not Dominic C.
    http://www.wesh.com/2008/0728/17017776.pdf

    August 18-22, 2008
    Tropical Storm Faye Hits Florida
    http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar...storm_fay.html

    August 26, 2008
    First Document released to Public

    August 29, 2008
    Deputies serve Casey, George, Cindy and Lee Anthony with Criminal witness subpoenas to appear in court in November.
    http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2...car_after.html

    August 30, 2008
    TES arrive help search for Caylee

    September 4, 2008
    Anonymous person post $5000,000 bond for Casey through two Florida bonding companies

    September 7, 2008
    TES temporarily calls off the search for Caylee Anthony due to environmental conditions and concerns

    September 23, 2008
    Second document dump

    October 14, 2008
    Grand July indicts Casey. First-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravted manslaughter, 4 counts of providing false information.

    October 22, 2008
    The A’s tip is line is opened at midnight.

    October 21, 2008
    Child neglect charges are dropped against Casey

    November 8, 2008
    TES searched area around Orlando International Airport

    November 13, 2008
    Leonard P. with Divers search River at JB Park.

    November 14, 2008
    Forensic Scientist Henry L. examines Casey’s car.

    November 18, 2008
    Leonard P. says one of his people said that Casey criticized people looking for her daughter, saying they hadn’t even found the clothes she was wearing. [Have not found video of LP making this comment yet]
    News Report November 19, 2008
    http://www.wesh.com/news/18009037/detail.html

    November 20, 2008
    Attorney Mark NeJame resigns as the attorney for George and Cindy Anthony.
    Video Report
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFSvZA3anfQ

    November 21, 2008
    Michelle Bart the Anthony’s new spokesperson
    Video Report
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axzr6sgY0rQ

    November 21, 2008
    OCSO is saying no hope for an Alive Caylee
    Video Report
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FTLSzjDNd8

    November 21, 2008
    Anthony family releases photo to News 13 that they received of a little girl playing at a mall that they think could be Caylee.

    December 4, 2008
    Jailhouse visits between Caylee and her family are released.

    Second PI Videotaped Site
    Dominic C, a colleague of Hoover who works for the Anthony’s, claims he went to the site in November 15th a day that the A’s were away at a KidFinders’ function with a camera and took pictures to rule out the possibility that there was any evidence of Caylee there. He said he and JH were following up on a tip from Kio C had given OCSO detectives. Dominic C said” he didn't find anything, but admits he might have missed the remains." Since he did not find anything he did not mention his search to the A’s until December 11
    VIDEO REPORT [Unknown date of report]
    http://www.wftv.com/video/18388491/index.html


    Private Investigator Video being Investigated
    JH briefly showed an Eyewitness News photographer a short clip of the videotape, which appeared to be authentic; the fence was recognizable.
    The defense wants to intervene, because Dominic C. used to work for the defense and attorney Jose B. doesn’t want him to divulge privileged conversations they might have had about where Caylee’s remain might be. Jose B. is asking for an appointment of special master to protect defense secrets during questioning of Dominic C. The defense team does not want their former PI to divulge privileged information.
    Video Report [Unknown date of report]
    http://www.wftv.com/video/18388491/index.html

    December 11, 2008
    Mark N. speaks after remains found
    Video Report December 11 2008
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ajibgshx94


    December 13, 2008
    George & Cindy A seen leaving the home with dogs and a bag.
    Video Report
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-_wzLkw9Hw

    Unknown Date
    Claim that area where Caylee was found had been searched and it was dry.
    Video about Reporter that has said that area where Caylee’s body was found was dry on August 5, 2008
    Video Report [Unknown date of report]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gNJd...layer_embedded

    December 21, 2008
    Positive ID as Caylee’s remains
    http://bigmouthmom.wordpress.com/200...-peace-caylee/

    December 21, 2008
    1:45pm Casey told of ID of Caylee’s remains at OC Jail
    http://bigmouthmom.wordpress.com/200...-peace-caylee/

    January 7, 2009
    JH with his attorney spent 3 hours with OCSO and FBI about the tape he has of Dominic Casey taken pictures of an area. JH told LE investigators that DC knew where Caylee’s body was.
    Video Report http://www.wftv.com/video/18432779/index.html
    News Report Januuary 7, 2008
    http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html

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    September 7, 2008
    TES temporarily calls off the search for Caylee Anthony due to environmental conditions and concerns

    AHA! moment.- Just on NG tonite, LP said that the MR was at the site and called again on this same date?!!!! now what is up with all the calls from the MR?

    I am not crazy. EVERYTIME TES stopped searching or the A's go out of town, one of the defense team goes to this spot? geesh poor little angel

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    Awesome job Shadow.

    Would you like help getting these on the calendar?

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    Awesome work!
    I've been updating the timeline calander on the sticky thread and will compare and add this information. . . . .I may have added some things tonight to the calander that you were missing, not sure.

    I was also hoping someone very familiar with the computer forensics could put the dates and times KC did various searches and/or was on line to the calander - to see in relation to everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow of my mind View Post
    I have been attempting to put <snipped>


    July 25, 2008: Casey released on Bond
    <snipped>
    Is that the date of her bond hearing? She was not released on bond that day.

    Excellent thread, thank you!

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    This one needs a sticky so it doesn't go away. Thanks for all the hard work.

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    Very excellent thread, thanks!

    Having this on the case calendar would be super.

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    Speculative rationale for the timeline

    Posted this on the PI thread on the main page, but probably more appropriate here (added smilies for visual interest). Fire away.

    OK, let me play devil's advocate here for a moment via speculation.

    What we know is Kiomarie was interviewed at nearly 10PM on July 19. Kio grew up on Hopespring drive and her dad still lives there. Kio has a friend named Bailey who also lives on Hopespring very close to the Anthony's. Bailey had already spoken to Brian B. and learned he had spoken to LE about the shovel. So Kio and Brian get to talking about KC, and when Kio heard about the shovel, she starts thinking about the secret hiding area off Suburban. Bailey calls Brian and gets the detective's phone number, gives it to Kio, and Kio calls the detective.

    Neighbors are obviously talking. It probably does not take long for word to spread about Kio's interview and suspicions about the woods off Suburban. Maybe neighbors kind of are convinced that the area is a high-probability area, but are afraid to spend a lot of time searching themselves because 1) they are neighbors and 2) they figure LE will be able to do it.

    So LE does an initial search of the accessible areas (some of it was wet), and they come up with nothing. TES comes out and searches same area - no luck. Problem is - as we know today - the body was not quite in the spot Kio had pointed out. In fact it was several hundred yards away, up the street close to Hopespring.

    Neighbors though grow convinced that area is a highly probable area. They know of Kio's story. They know of the shovel. They know TES and LE could not get into all areas. They are unconvinced the unsuccessful searches to date have ruled out the area.

    Now throw into the mix speculation that the MR's supervisor is also a neighbor of the Anthony's. Since neighbor's are talking and still think the body could be found up there, the supervisor speaks to his good buddy the MR and asks him to take a look when he does his route. He may even have assigned him to do that route in August just because he is trusted. An official utility vehicle parked up in that area would not look suspicious.

    So the MR takes a look and finds a suspicious-looking bag. We know he called it in three times, and the bag was not located. Fay comes in, floods the area, and no searches can be done until early November. Note that rumor has it Kronk was not on that route in Sept., Oct., or Nov.

    This next bit of speculation is going to infuriate a lot of Lee haters here when they read what I am thinking.

    Meantime, Lee, I believe, is not drinking the KC Koolaide the way Cindy is. He knows KC did something. He does not know the details, but has suspicions, and does his best to pull information from KC without raising her ire and having her shut him out. He loved Caylee and wants to know the truth. He gets enough KC code to believe her body is nearby, but no details.

    Lee becomes aware of Kio's and the neighbor's suspicions.
    Maybe he hears about the MR's finding and subsequent failure of LE to locate the body. After Fay, this gets filed in the back of his mind. He starts to drop from public view. He loves his mom and feels she is in a deep denial over KC's crime. He knows - feels - KC did something to Caylee and does not want to get caught up in the maelstrom Cindy is creating.

    In early Nov. TES finally can get out and do a search. But they find nothing and pull out earlier than expected. Bewildered, Lee talks to the PI and says:

    "Look, there was a MR out up on Suburban near the area Kio pointed out, and he found a very suspicious bag. LE went out there with cadaver dogs but could not find it. Then the MR met them out there but they could not get into the area because of a rattlesnake. He wanted to try again but Fay came along. This past weekend TES went up there, but once again they were too far up in the area of the school. As I understand it, the MR found the bag somewhere along Suburban between the corner at Hopespring and before the school. Not sure of the exact location. Can you check it out?"

    So the two PIs hike up there several times to look and video-tape. The information they have is that Caylee's body was found in August, but not recovered. They find nothing. They are close, but not quite in the right spot. Anyone that has seen the psychic videos will agree the area was very dense. They report back to Lee: nothing.

    Nejame catches wind that Lee sent the PIs up there and he decides he has had enough. Time to bail out. They privately think the child is dead but publicly berate LE for not searching for a live Caylee. Well, Lee believes she is dead, and probably George does too, but Cindy won't admit it. He's had enough and resigns.

    Lee gets word back to the supervisor neighbor and tells him the PI's could find nothing.
    Can we get the MR back out there? So the supervisor reasigns the MR to the route and asks him to see if the bag is still there. The MR is back on the route, finds the bag, sees the skull...and Caylee is brought home.

    IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crafti View Post
    Awesome work!
    I've been updating the timeline calander on the sticky thread and will compare and add this information. . . . .I may have added some things tonight to the calander that you were missing, not sure.

    I was also hoping someone very familiar with the computer forensics could put the dates and times KC did various searches and/or was on line to the calander - to see in relation to everything else.
    Want to split this up? You do Shadow's first post and I can work on the second?

    Yes/No?


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    Shadow, This is great!!! Thanks. Was heading that direction too. Appreciate the time to gather this information. I finally realized I needed to work harder to find the information I was looking for and this was what I wanted to do. Always late, but heck, thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoHead View Post
    Want to split this up? You do Shadow's first post and I can work on the second?

    Yes/No?
    Sure, yes.

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    Wow! Thank You.

    The July 19 interview with Kio in Det H Wells car?

    Just weird--Casey mentions this guy Happy Wells in one of her jailhouse visists with GA & CA as one of the detectives she WOULD TALK TO!

    For some reason she LIKED him???

    Maybe nothing, but he was told of that spot, right? Did he search OR report back to the lead det about this tip?

    PS

    I am just learning my way around, keep getting lost & wondered if someone could guide me to the calendar & doc dumps--I've yet to find them!

    TIA

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    Wow, great work, you rock!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trafficsUP66 View Post
    Wow! Thank You.

    The July 19 interview with Kio in Det H Wells car?

    Just weird--Casey mentions this guy Happy Wells in one of her jailhouse visists with GA & CA as one of the detectives she WOULD TALK TO!

    For some reason she LIKED him???

    Maybe nothing, but he was told of that spot, right? Did he search OR report back to the lead det about this tip?

    PS

    I am just learning my way around, keep getting lost & wondered if someone could guide me to the calendar & doc dumps--I've yet to find them!

    TIA
    Here's the calander
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/cal...r=2008&do=&c=4

    Docs are in several places, kind of, depending on what you're looking for. I'll look for one or two. Right back.

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