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    Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #20

    The Old thread was 28 pages long and had not been posted in since Dec.. I thought we could continue here.


    I have been doing some back steps today.. I did a search and I am not sure if we have compared this crime to our girls or not.. just food for thought.


    www.poncacitynews.com/NewsArchives/1099folder/lo100399.html - 181k From the pages of The Ponca City News, Sunday, October 3, 1999 -
    Wanted by Police

    A suspect believed to match this OSBI sketch abducted and then sexually abused an 8-year-old local girl last Sunday in Ponca City. He reportedly was driving an all-white 1989 model Dodge pickup, slightly elevated and possibly four-wheel drive, with a short wide bed, sport wheels and big tires. The suspect is possibly in his 30s with gray hair and may have had a slight beard. If you have any information regarding the suspect, police ask that you call Crime Stoppers at 762-5100, the police department at 767-0370 or, to speak with an investigator, 767-0376.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    http://www.koco.com/video/18484297/index.html


    A Weleetka pastor has been arrested for molesting young girls. Eyewitness News 5's Kevin Sims explains what investigators think about a possible connection to last June's.
    Oh my, GS! I wouldn't be surprised, if in the end, this minister had something to do with the murders of Taylor and Skyla.

    I wonder if the girls ever attended his church.

    Thank you, GS.

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    http://www.koco.com/video/18484297/index.html
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    Arbeka Indian Baptist Church Pastor Marvin Lowe, 51, arrested (Jan 13, 2009) on 16 counts of sexually mollesting little girls -- he was questioned as was everyone in area after june 8 murders --Jessica Brown OSBI on video -- Church 1 miles from where girls were found. Where? Video says "although we know some type of bodily fluid was found" but doesn't specifiy on or near.

    Some of the alleged mollestation victims were same age as murdered girls, fondled in church hall.

    Pastor Marvin Lowe, 51, is Creek, doesn't resemble sketch, multiple children say he mollested them; Lowe now in Okfuskee County Jail.

    Other accounts @ http://www.koco.com/news/18484639/detail.html and http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=9676740

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    Arbeka Indian Baptist Church .. 1 mile from where girls were found.

    That is close..even if it was not Taylors church ..it is likely she could have attented a function there. Think about it ...so much eaiser to go there instead of town.. and I hope no one takes this the wrong way.. but from what I seen on the news it seems it is a little country church and they would be less likely to make anyone feel underdressed or insecure... I hope that that came out right.. but my point is she very well could have attended that church!
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    If I remember correctly, the girls were murdered on a Sunday evening......could it be possible the girls had walked to the church sometime that day?

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    The last part of the video says the pastor, like everyone else, was interviewed after the murders and was not a suspect.

    Weleetka, however, just has surprise after surprise. Meth, unsolved murders, questionable people, and now a pastor accused of sexual assault.

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    Wow ML good thinking... Who knows .. who really knows!! We can't even find out if anyone was at house when they left... apparantly the GP's were gone sometime because I think I remember hearing the girls called & ask them if they could go for walk..is that right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Get-Smart View Post
    Wow ML good thinking... Who knows .. who really knows!!
    We can't even find out if anyone was at house when they left...
    apparently the GP's were gone sometime because I think I remember hearing the girls called & ask them if they could go for walk..is that right?....
    Get-Smart, Thanks....The day being Sunday, maybe the girls walked to the church to meet other young people their age or by invitation from someone.

    Months back, I read someone in W., saw V and P at the casino that Sunday..others said Linda and a guy (forgot his name) was at the P. house that Sunday...

    I do believe Vickie was away from the house that Sunday, whether she had Peter or others with her is not being told...

    Maybe P was at home and that is why Uncle J was on the road that Sunday...., with cell phones everyone knows when to visit?.

    What we do know is a 'childs' voice is heard on the 911 call, so how did the child get to the P. house that Sunday and with whom??

    I believe the autopsy report says the girls had not eaten or drank anything in 5 or 6 hours or longer.... this leads me to suspect the girls as well as Vickie, was gone from home much longer than what was reported.

    Why is the 'time line', & who was at the P house that weekend a 'secret' has always been my question?...

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    If there is any evidence to link the pastor to this crime,we should hear something in the near future.No telling how long it would take to compare crime scene DNA with pastors DNA,will he willingly give a DNA sample to LE?If not is there probable cause to obtain one anyway?I would think so,considering the current circumstanses(nature of the charges brought against him).Will LE ask the pastor to submit to a polygraph.Will the pastors shoe size match the prints found at the crime scene.
    I don't know guys...something tells me he might not be the perp,then the more I think about it,he might be.............after all,anyone who has the gall to molest children and continue preaching the word of the lord.."in my eyes".. would be someone capable of commiting murder and able to function with their usual routine.
    I don't know the exact number of children who have come forward,enough to assume the molesting would have been going on for quite some time,it's fair to say.Does anyone know how long this pastor has lived in the area or if he had a past criminal history?

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    Isn't it strange that the police haven't even released a timeline on this crime? Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k4kathy View Post
    If there is any evidence to link the pastor to this crime,we should hear something in the near future.No telling how long it would take to compare crime scene DNA with pastors DNA,will he willingly give a DNA sample to LE?If not is there probable cause to obtain one anyway?I would think so,considering the current circumstanses(nature of the charges brought against him).Will LE ask the pastor to submit to a polygraph.Will the pastors shoe size match the prints found at the crime scene.
    I don't know guys...something tells me he might not be the perp,then the more I think about it,he might be.............after all,anyone who has the gall to molest children and continue preaching the word of the lord.."in my eyes".. would be someone capable of commiting murder and able to function with their usual routine.
    I don't know the exact number of children who have come forward,enough to assume the molesting would have been going on for quite some time,it's fair to say.Does anyone know how long this pastor has lived in the area or if he had a past criminal history?

    4kathy, someone has said that he has lived there his whole life. As for the DNA sample, I'm not sure if he can refuse to give it. I don't think it would be that hard for LE to get it, though. All they would have to do is take his eating utensils and swab them. Don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowDog View Post
    Isn't it strange that the police haven't even released a timeline on this crime? Why?
    I think it is strange.Only thing I can come up with is that LE has not established a timeline yet.Maybe because there are so many victims/not finished interviewing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by little726 View Post
    4kathy, someone has said that he has lived there his whole life. As for the DNA sample, I'm not sure if he can refuse to give it. I don't think it would be that hard for LE to get it, though. All they would have to do is take his eating utensils and swab them. Don't you think?
    He could refuse,but LE could get a court order.Don't know if swabbing the guys eating utensils would hold up very well in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
    The Old thread was 28 pages long and had not been posted in since Dec.. I thought we could continue here.


    I have been doing some back steps today.. I did a search and I am not sure if we have compared this crime to our girls or not.. just food for thought.


    www.poncacitynews.com/NewsArchives/1099folder/lo100399.html - 181k From the pages of The Ponca City News, Sunday, October 3, 1999 -
    Wanted by Police

    A suspect believed to match this OSBI sketch abducted and then sexually abused an 8-year-old local girl last Sunday in Ponca City. He reportedly was driving an all-white 1989 model Dodge pickup, slightly elevated and possibly four-wheel drive, with a short wide bed, sport wheels and big tires. The suspect is possibly in his 30s with gray hair and may have had a slight beard. If you have any information regarding the suspect, police ask that you call Crime Stoppers at 762-5100, the police department at 767-0370 or, to speak with an investigator, 767-0376.
    I contacted the Ponca City News and got an email response as follows:

    We do not have a hard copy or a digital copy of the sketch available.
    However, you should be able to obtain a copy from the Ponca City Library
    as they have microfilm of the newspaper in their Geneaology section.

    Ponca City Library, 515 E. Grand, Ponca City, OK 74601. 580-767-0345.

    Hope this helps.

    Rolf Clements
    Photojournalist
    580-716-9058 cell
    580-765-3311 ext. 127 office
    580-765-7800 FAX



    I am not near Ponca City but if any WS'ers are close and could go there and get a copy of that composite sketch. We could compare....

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    Quote Originally Posted by GetSmart View Post
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    A Weleetka pastor has been arrested for molesting young girls. Eyewitness News 5's Kevin Sims explains what investigators think about a possible connection to last June's.
    Good that we are looking at all angles, however criminal profiling would tell us that it would be highly unusual for a suspect to escalate from molesting to murder and revert back to molesting. If anything the crime would be duplicated or progress to torture/murder. So therefore, I would not conclude that this pastor was involved in the death of these girls.

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