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  1. #31
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    I just don't get why so many people seem to think the pedophile ring scenario is so ridiculous or outlandish, and outright discount it in favor of a serial killer. On the other hand, if the pedophile ring is indeed responsible, why has it not yet been exposed? Why can't Paul Bonacci and others do anything about this?

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    I was under the impression that it had been outed. Larry King and the Franklin Federal case. Not just that King was extorting money, but that he was having pedophile parties. I could be completely wrong, though. I need a refresher course.

    What I find so disturbing is that people are quick to assume he's dead at the hands of a serial killer, but if it were their child, they would at least entertain the notion that he was abducted for sexual slavery. After all, what else would a pedofile want with him? Sex. And to lure other kids to the pedophile. This is so not a leap!

    The theory that the pedophile ring extends all the way up to DC... well, it could be an exaggeration. In escense we're playing the telephone game. But my whole point is this: What is so wrong with keeping an open mind about the possibilities related to a missing child? For all we know, Johnny could have fallen into the river and drowned. Instead of arguing, it would be more beneficial if we all follow our own theories.
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    I think it's amazing that A) people really don't have as open minds as they claim and B) they completely disregard the words of the person who is actually investigating part of this case. Someone who probably has a lot more insight into this particular case then most of us.

    I know what I saw on Oprah years ago (thank you wanttohelp for confirming my memory!), and if it could happen to that kid, why in the world could it not happen to Johnny?? Just because his mom <modsnip> belived (or believes still) in some really implausible to strange theories?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefragile7393 View Post
    I think it's amazing that A) people really don't have as open minds as they claim and B) they completely disregard the words of the person who is actually investigating part of this case. Someone who probably has a lot more insight into this particular case then most of us.

    I know what I saw on Oprah years ago (thank you wanttohelp for confirming my memory!), and if it could happen to that kid, why in the world could it not happen to Johnny?? Just because his mom seems to have a few screws loose and belived (or believes still) in some really implausible to strange theories?
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    Mind Control Victim Awarded $1 Million
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    Interesting reading....I've read it before. Unfortunately I don'[t know how much of it is truth.....it sounds so simliar to the stories from the "Satanic Panic" from the 80's. I don't see how it could have gotten up into high govt at all. The sources are dubious at best. I guess there is where I bang my head....it's no wonder people don't want to look into this case, since it all seems too crazy.
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    I agree that it sounds crazy. However, some unbelievable things have happened that I never would have thought possible. People who have been missing for 20+ years have turned up, alive and well. Secret lairs have been found that housed people who have been held captive there for years and years. Improbable things sometimes become probable.

    I try to remain skeptical, but there is always this little blip in my brain that whispers "What if...?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by INQUIRING MINDS View Post
    Mind Control Victim Awarded $1 Million
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    Hi Doogie! Howya been?
    Very intriguing, that you've made contact with Bonacci and Jimmy Gibson and that they claim to be in contact with a living Johnny Gosch. Did you ask them if he's in contact with his mother, and if not, why he;s in contact with them but not with her? Did you ask them if Johnny says the photos allegedly of him are real, and if so where & when they were taken? How about asking them if Johnny is Jeff Gannon - that ought to end that question forever, eh?

    Ask them what Johnny's been doing for a living. Working? Under his real name? If so, how/when did he apply for and obtain his Social Security number?

    Have you asked Bonacci if he'd be willing to take responsibility for and confess to law enforcement about his alleged participation in a range of crimes including kidnapping, rape and murder?

    Ultimately, if Johnny is alive and in contact with others who are aware of his identity, then he is not a missing person. So...why have a thread about him on a site like this?

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    Uh, because LE still views him as missing, and until (or IF) LE is shown he's alive, they will consider him that way.
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    Do we know for a fact that Johnny isn't in contact with his mother? Has she said as much? The only reason she admitted that she'd seen and talked to Johnny in the first place was because she was asked in a court of law, and denying it would be lying. For all we know, Noreen has regular contact with Johnny. Why would she disclose a relationship with her son to the public if that is not what he wanted?

    I think Johnny is a missing person...I don't see how he couldn't be. Either he was kidnapped and murdered or he was kidnapped and still alive. Whichever it is, nobody knows where he is. So, yeah, he's missing.

    Jeff Gannon...is that even still an issue? Does anyone really believe that Gannon and Gosch are the same person?

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    Just jumping in here to say I remember when Johnny disappeared, and I recall occasional media "updates", and certainly interviews with Noreen. You guys have REALLY been keeping up to date on this case-- bless your hearts! I felt so awful every time I saw print or media footage of Noreen; I can't imagine not knowing what had happened to one's child for so many years. I'll check out the links & resources you all have provided and/or referred to; please let me know if I can be of help in any specific way. FWIW, my personal opinion *was* that Johnny had been killed; but my mind is totally open to any possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Harrold View Post
    Hi Doogie! Howya been?
    Very intriguing, that you've made contact with Bonacci and Jimmy Gibson and that they claim to be in contact with a living Johnny Gosch. Did you ask them if he's in contact with his mother, and if not, why he;s in contact with them but not with her? Did you ask them if Johnny says the photos allegedly of him are real, and if so where & when they were taken? How about asking them if Johnny is Jeff Gannon - that ought to end that question forever, eh?

    Ask them what Johnny's been doing for a living. Working? Under his real name? If so, how/when did he apply for and obtain his Social Security number?

    Have you asked Bonacci if he'd be willing to take responsibility for and confess to law enforcement about his alleged participation in a range of crimes including kidnapping, rape and murder?

    Ultimately, if Johnny is alive and in contact with others who are aware of his identity, then he is not a missing person. So...why have a thread about him on a site like this?
    Hi, Roy.

    Lets answer the easiest question first: Gannon is not Gosch.

    According to Jimmy Gibson, none of the bondage pictures are of Johnny. Jimmy has provided a picture of Johnny from allegedly the post-abduction era, but it has not been posted online. I have seen it and it does look like Johnny from around the time he disappeared, but I cannot say whether it is pre or post abduction.

    If what I am being told is true (and what I have speculated by reading between the lines is also true), then Johnny is in a place where having a social security number is not neccessary. No one has specifically said, but I would suspect that he uses an alias and that few know of his past. He is in a place that is very insulated from the outside world and intrusion by any strangers would be prevented - perhaps even by force if neccessary.

    Your statement about 'why are people still looking for him" is a valid question. Noreen has contemplated actually having him declared dead in order to protect him in his new life. She has chosen not to (at this point) but keeps that as an open option.

    And there has allegedly been some online communication between Johnny and Noreen, but it usually is through Jimmy Gibson. Bonacci has shared that there was one additional in-person contact between Johnny and Noreen (not counting the secret visit mentioned before). Noreen was doing a book signing at a store. Paul, who was also there, approached her and stated that "He is here." Noreen saw a young man in the audience who appeared to be wearing a disguise. Noreen played it cool so as to not draw attention to him, but by the time she did try to make contact, the young man had slipped out the door. Paul later said that the man had actually had Noreen sign a copy of her book prior to Paul alerting her that he was Johnny. (I do not know why all of the "cloak-and-dagger" is deemed neccessary, but that is how these people choose to operate. I am not in there shoes so I cannot say if it is neccessary or theatrics.)

    Concerning Paul: I would say that he has been rather forthcoming in stating what he has done while under oath. If LE has done nothing with that info (or if they do not believe it), then that cannot be held against Paul. Paul did admit to the molestation charge and served his time. He now is married with a family and authorities evidently do not feel that he is a danger to his children since they have not been removed from his home. It is difficult (if not impossible) to judge a person based on internet conversations alone, but Paul does seem sincere in sharing what he has experienced.

    One amazing thing about conversing with Paul is how much of what he has stated has been manipulated and altered for what appears to be a political purpose. For example, Paul has never stated that he saw George HW Bush at pedophile parties in Washington. He has clarified that he saw someone who looked like Bush and that Larry King claimed was Bush at a party, but explained that often King would have "look-alikes" to both seemingly implicate politicians in these activities and also to make any of the kids involved seem ridiculous if the ever told of what they saw. This is much more believable to me than stories of a sitting president being openly involved in pedophilia with multiple witnesses.

    One thing that I have learned while looking into this is that it probably did exist, but was on a much smaller scale than what has been portrayed by some. Gibson denies the political angle all together, while Bonnaci says that the political component was not as large as some have claimed. And, for me, the smaller a conspiracy, the more believable it becomes.
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    Doogie,

    You've certainly done a lot of work on this since we last conversed, and you have my thanks for that.

    It's hard to conceive of a circumstance under which a social security number would not be necessary. You have to have one if you are an inmate, or a patient, even if you are not working for a living. Even if confidentiality is strictly adhered to, say in an institution, activity under that number should be traceable by law enforcement.

    In any case, it seems hypocritical for people who claim to be devoted to exposing child exploitation and supporters of missing child institutions such as the NCMC, to abuse such systems by allowing a person who is not really missing to continue to be listed therein. The idea that Johnny himself rectifying that error would necessarily generate a media circus is false. People are quietly removed from their database all the time, with no explanations given. DOE is the same, their updates frequently contain no more information than; " X was found alive in (wherever)". Certainly, he could contact Des Moines police himself and simply say: "I'm Johnny Gosch, I don't want to talk about where I've been but I'm not missing.

    And the idea that Noreen could have him declared legally dead if she knows he isn't, well, that would be a criminal act which would seem completely out of character and hypocritical.

    I agree, the smaller the conspiracy the more likely to be real. How about a conspiracy of two? If a man's wife went missing and friends asking after her were told by the husband; "Yes, I just talked to her last week - she's 'on a cruise' or she's 'visiting relatives'" but there was no objective evidence to confirm that she was anywhere at all, wouldn't it be a reasonable assumption that the man's claims to be in contact with the missing woman were a smokescreen intended to cover the fact that he did away with her himself?

    Two people have been responsible for most of the goose-chasing "leads" provided in this case over the years. Two people now claim to be in regular contact with a person for whom there is no objective evidence that the person is even still alive. Perhaps those two people have been covering up their own involvement in kidnapping, raping and murdering Johnny Gosch?

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    Doogie,

    Regarding your comment, that Jimmy Gibson told you none of the bondage photos are of Johnny. You & I already knew that, of course. Remember the original 3 photos, one of which was apparently photoshopped to add the "brand", probably to reinforce the whole story told by Bonacci & Gibson? Well, I think you should have another look at what willing dupe Tim White said about where he got them from:

    "I am the one to first receive from Jimmy Gibson the FIRST 3 photos ever to be released of JOHNNY GOSCH since his kidnapping in Des Moines(Jimmy Gibson was in those too) and I then emailed those to Noreen Gosch,Jim Rothstein,Ted Gunderson,Michael Corbin,H Michael Sweeney,and John DeCamp--this happened on August 27,2006 and Noreen Gosch posted those first 3 photos the next day to her website"

    http://www.apfn.net/MESSAGEBOARD/08-...n.cgi.136.html

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