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    Defense Witness List-where's the "full story"?

    For awhile now JB has been spouting his closely-held secret "full story" of what really happened and how we will all be applauding KC as mother of the year when this "full story" is disclosed in court. I just read the defense's witness list and the only witnesses listed are three forensic scientists hired by the defense. In other words, no percipient witnesses are listed. (A percipient witness is a witness who saw, heard or otherwise observed something, an event or someone. For example, Tony and Amy are percipient witnesses to KC's actions and words during the relevant time period.) So how is JB intending on disclosing the true "full story" at trial if not through witnesses? Here are the only ways this can happen, if it happens at all:

    1. KC testifies to the true "full story" which apparently involves no other witnesses to the event or events;
    2. The computer forensics and physical forensics tell the true full story without the need for percipient witnesses;
    3. Through cross-examination of the State's witnesses with possible corroboration via forensics.
    I don't think number one is likely because even JB has to know that the prosecution will have a field day if KC takes the stand. I don't think number 2 is likely either because the forensics (released so far) don't tell us the cause of death. So we are left with option number 3--but I can't imagine how they could take the information known to date and twist it into a story that would implicate anyone or any other cause other than murder by KC. What am I missing here?

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    I dont see how they can even proceed with this storyline. Now that Caylee is known to be deceased, there is no reason that they cant disclose their "real story"... ridiculous.

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    So, do you think that "true other half of the story" is going to be the Casey was protecting her family? Or Zenaida? Or are they going to try and pin it on one of her friends, which has been prevalent throughout this whole case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LancelotLink View Post
    So, do you think that "true other half of the story" is going to be the Casey was protecting her family? Or Zenaida? Or are they going to try and pin it on one of her friends, which has been prevalent throughout this whole case.
    I have no idea what the 'true story' is--coming from this camp it could be anything. I am trying to figure out how it is they intend to disclose this story in court as promised--whatever the story may be-- if not by testifying witnesses? Beats the heck out of me!

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    There's absolutely NO WAY she can testify, so I think they're going to abandon the "Mother of the Year" defense, and just attack the forensics.

    I just don't see any other option, under the circumstances. Well, other than copping a plea, and JB and/or KC seem unwilling to tread that path.

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    I personally think that Baez will wait until he gets all the evidence to decide what "the story" will be.
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    Can the defense just make up a story?? LOL I thought they had to stick with what KC told LE at the getgo, Caylee supposedly being kidnapped
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    Casey will never be on the stand.

    The defense will wait until the last moments to put their witness list on the table to minimize the time the state has to analyzed what JB is planning. The state does the same thing just in reverse. They list everyone and their brother as being on the eligible list to make their exact route from A to B harder to decipher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalSleuth View Post
    For awhile now JB has been spouting his closely-held secret "full story" of what really happened and how we will all be applauding KC as mother of the year when this "full story" is disclosed in court. I just read the defense's witness list and the only witnesses listed are three forensic scientists hired by the defense. In other words, no percipient witnesses are listed. (A percipient witness is a witness who saw, heard or otherwise observed something, an event or someone. For example, Tony and Amy are percipient witnesses to KC's actions and words during the relevant time period.) So how is JB intending on disclosing the true "full story" at trial if not through witnesses? Here are the only ways this can happen, if it happens at all:

    1. KC testifies to the true "full story" which apparently involves no other witnesses to the event or events;
    2. The computer forensics and physical forensics tell the true full story without the need for percipient witnesses;
    3. Through cross-examination of the State's witnesses with possible corroboration via forensics.
    I don't think number one is likely because even JB has to know that the prosecution will have a field day if KC takes the stand. I don't think number 2 is likely either because the forensics (released so far) don't tell us the cause of death. So we are left with option number 3--but I can't imagine how they could take the information known to date and twist it into a story that would implicate anyone or any other cause other than murder by KC. What am I missing here?
    See the doc dump and state's newest motion- JB listed his witnesses as duplicate of the state's witness list, without specifically naming individuals.....It's under the 3rd name on his witness list. The sate has filed a motion to make him name the individuals specifically that he plans to call, and cited precedent. Will try to find the link

    eta- here's the link -

    State of Florida's Motion to Strike Defense Witness List Jan 22, 2009

    http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...ess%20List.pdf

    it's on the sticky for media, posted yesterday
    Last edited by Meemom; 01-24-2009 at 12:34 AM. Reason: eta link

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    Also, if TonE, Amy etc. are called to testify for the state, JB will be allowed to question them. He is not required to list them as witnesses for the defense. You know, like on Boston Legal.
    Legal eagles, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysonmymind View Post
    Also, if TonE, Amy etc. are called to testify for the state, JB will be allowed to question them. He is not required to list them as witnesses for the defense. You know, like on Boston Legal.
    Legal eagles, please correct me if I'm wrong.
    He can x-examine them, but basically only about what the state has questioned them about. If he wants to go into other areas, he needs to call them himself as witnesses in his own case-in-chief.

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    I thought the law was that you could only cross examine about the testimony given on direct. If you want to examine them about something different, you have to call them yourself.

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    FWIW, the defense listed three witnesses by name and the rest by default based on the SA's witness list. The SA has file a request to deny this based on Florida law that demands witnesses be named individually. So in reality, Baez did file a witness list with more than three people, he just did not do it properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuziQ View Post
    FWIW, the defense listed three witnesses by name and the rest by default based on the SA's witness list. The SA has file a request to deny this based on Florida law that demands witnesses be named individually. So in reality, Baez did file a witness list with more than three people, he just did not do it properly.
    Here's the link -

    http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...ess%20List.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalSleuth View Post
    I have no idea what the 'true story' is--coming from this camp it could be anything. I am trying to figure out how it is they intend to disclose this story in court as promised--whatever the story may be-- if not by testifying witnesses? Beats the heck out of me!
    Well, we know there is no way they will put Kc on the stand and we know they have to be very careful what gets introduced, so I am at a loss too.

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