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    Quote Originally Posted by nanny1 View Post
    I'm sorry I don't mean to carry on. I just see people struggling in this economy to support their homes and when I see something like this,I find it distirbing
    Hey there! If it means anything to you, I don't think you're carrying on. I have been trying to figure out what would motivate this woman.

    Is there any way this could have been a surrogacy plan gone wrong? I just don't know what to think. I pray that all the babies do well and thrive and somehow I hope "mom" is able to take care of them after grandma leaves...

    I didn't quite understand the grandpa's remark about having a big house somewhere- are they all taking off once the babies are discharged?

    Of course no one owes me an explanation- I am just curious!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyz_Mum View Post
    Hey there! If it means anything to you, I don't think you're carrying on. I have been trying to figure out what would motivate this woman.

    Is there any way this could have been a surrogacy plan gone wrong? I just don't know what to think. I pray that all the babies do well and thrive and somehow I hope "mom" is able to take care of them after grandma leaves...

    I didn't quite understand the grandpa's remark about having a big house somewhere- are they all taking off once the babies are discharged?

    Of course no one owes me an explanation- I am just curious!
    Hi Boyz_Mum It's funny you should mention surrogate. One of her friends mentioned that babies momma said she was getting paid for this. What that ment,I have no idea. But I don't think she was a surrogate,her mother stated she is obsessed with having children and that they were her frozen embryo's. Grandma apparently has stated that she will not be there when babies moma comes home from hospital. This is the first I've heard about grandpa's remark. Please don't think I am being cruel when I say,wonder how grandpa plan's on bigger home. Donations maybe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nanny1 View Post
    Hi Boyz_Mum It's funny you should mention surrogate. One of her friends mentioned that babies momma said she was getting paid for this. What that ment,I have no idea. But I don't think she was a surrogate,her mother stated she is obsessed with having children and that they were her frozen embryo's. Grandma apparently has stated that she will not be there when babies moma comes home from hospital. This is the first I've heard about grandpa's remark. Please don't think I am being cruel when I say,wonder how grandpa plan's on bigger home. Donations maybe.
    The whole situation leaves me wondering- neither grandparent seems overjoyed (from what I've read). I am sure if one of my kids brought home 6 + 8 kids that I wouldn't be jumping for joy~ but I would be thankful for their health once the shock wore off. I wondered about citizenship (if grandpa is from Iraq?)... and in the one article he mentions a bigger house- I didn't get it.

    The remark about 'getting paid' kind of got me wondering about the surrogacy thing. My mind just goes all over the place!

    I guess I can think of a million different ways to make money and having a multiple birth didn't even make the list! LOL!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyz_Mum View Post
    Hey there! If it means anything to you, I don't think you're carrying on. I have been trying to figure out what would motivate this woman.
    This may explain some of her motive -- she wants money and attention.
    THE single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2m (£1.37m) from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the children.
    Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 below the age of eight.

    Although still confined to an LA hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week — media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer, who presents Good Morning America.

    Her family has told agents she needs cash from deals such as nappy sponsorship — she will get through 250 a week in the next few months — and the agents will gauge public reaction to her story. .
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle5627531.ece


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    Quote Originally Posted by STEADFAST View Post
    This may explain some of her motive -- she wants money and attention.
    Thanks for the link!

    I can honestly say I don't think I will tune into any shows she is on. I hope they set her up with a psychiatrist. BLECH!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyz_Mum View Post
    The whole situation leaves me wondering- neither grandparent seems overjoyed (from what I've read). I am sure if one of my kids brought home 6 + 8 kids that I wouldn't be jumping for joy~ but I would be thankful for their health once the shock wore off. I wondered about citizenship (if grandpa is from Iraq?)... and in the one article he mentions a bigger house- I didn't get it.

    The remark about 'getting paid' kind of got me wondering about the surrogacy thing. My mind just goes all over the place!

    I guess I can think of a million different ways to make money and having a multiple birth didn't even make the list! LOL!

    I am also wondering citizenship..I think you and I have the same questions. I also can think of better way's of making money. I do believe in surrogate mother's,I just don't think this has anything to do with being a surrogate mother.
    When this story first broke,I wondered if this woman was trying to start her own country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LovingTheChaos View Post
    I have been following this story because I am just so curious! From Loving's link above:

    "Angela Suleman told reporters Friday that doctors implanted far fewer than eight embryos but they multiplied. Experts said this could be possible since Nadya Suleman's system has likely been hyperstimulated for years with fertilization treatments and drugs."

    So, maybe 8 embryos weren't implanted.

    This link also lists a D.S. as the father on the four oldest ones birth certificates. The remaining B.C.'s weren't available at press time. I wonder who he is - how he feels about this - and mostly, will he/does he help support them financially. Maybe this is what she meant when she said she was getting paid to have invitro

    When I was young and bold and strong,
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    I rode away to right the world.
    But now Iím old - and good and bad,
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    And wise is s/he who lets it go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fermi View Post
    I have been following this story because I am just so curious! From Loving's link above:

    "Angela Suleman told reporters Friday that doctors implanted far fewer than eight embryos but they multiplied. Experts said this could be possible since Nadya Suleman's system has likely been hyperstimulated for years with fertilization treatments and drugs."

    So, maybe 8 embryos weren't implanted.

    This link also lists a D.S. as the father on the four oldest ones birth certificates. The remaining B.C.'s weren't available at press time. I wonder who he is - how he feels about this - and mostly, will he/does he help support them financially. Maybe this is what she meant when she said she was getting paid to have invitro

    I am no expert - but the only way the embryos could have multiplied is if one or more split into identical twins. I don't believe fertility drugs can cause that to happen. Fertility drugs could cause her to produce a ton of eggs, but they wont cause one embryo to multiply.


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    That is so disgusting that she seeking $2 million from media interviews and commerical sponsership to help pay for all her children. All this seems to be is attention and money for her. I don't see how it's beneficial for the children at all. They need love, not a mother who is eager who fame and wealth at the expense of her children. Disgusting.


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    When I was going through IVF anout 9 years ago, my clinic limited the number of embryos to 3. Another local clinic was routinely using up to 6. I am not sure what the limit is today.

    BTW - I had a blocked fallopian tube that was surgically repaired. I was unsuccessful having a live baby with ivf - my 3 kiddos were all conceived the old fashioned way - everything in God's time I suppose


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    Quote Originally Posted by LovingTheChaos View Post
    I am no expert - but the only way the embryos could have multiplied is if one or more split into identical twins. I don't believe fertility drugs can cause that to happen. Fertility drugs could cause her to produce a ton of eggs, but they wont cause one embryo to multiply.
    I'm no expert either - I'm with you on the splitting - and we haven't heard that any of the octs are "twins." This is the most bizarre story!

    When I was young and bold and strong,
    The right was right, the wrong was wrong.
    With plume on high and flag unfurled,
    I rode away to right the world.
    But now Iím old - and good and bad,
    Are woven in a crazy plaid.
    I sit and say the world is so,
    And wise is s/he who lets it go.
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    Okay - here's another question: For them to have a father's name listed on the B.C.'s, does this mean that she knew him personally? If this was just a donor, then why would his name be known, let alone listed? I don't know what SOP's are with IVF clinics regarding this.

    When I was young and bold and strong,
    The right was right, the wrong was wrong.
    With plume on high and flag unfurled,
    I rode away to right the world.
    But now Iím old - and good and bad,
    Are woven in a crazy plaid.
    I sit and say the world is so,
    And wise is s/he who lets it go.
    Dorothy Parker


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    This link shows a picture of the grandmother. I feel bad for her, it doesn't seem like she wanted her life turned into such a circus.

    "As of March, Edward Doud Suleman, apparently the octuplets' grandfather, was working in Iraq, according to the bankruptcy filing. The couple's combined monthly income was listed as roughly $8,740, but the filing indicated that Angela Suleman expected their income would rise from her husband's employment. It said that he would earn $100,000 a year. The document did not specify Suleman's husband's occupation, but Suleman told the Los Angeles Times that her husband was a contractor."

    http://www2.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_11594473

    I read in one article the grandfather was working as a translator, which is different than a contractor. If he is a contractor, it is extremely dangerous for him, despite the pay being high. I'm guessing he's over 55 years of age, as the daughter is 33. He shouldn't have to be doing dangerous work to support his daughter's obsession of having children.

    It was the woman's choice to carry all 8 babies:

    "According to Suleman, when the woman learned that she was carrying multiple babies, she opted not to reduce the number of embryos even though she was already the mother of six children."

    ...""It costs money to raise children. To raise these kids is probably going to cost about $2.5 million, just to give them basics," he said. "That is not baseball lessons or piano lessons. That is food, clothing or getting to school every day -- that is a lot of money.
    The Department of Children and Family Services would worry that, in a house of 14, there would be a lack of attention or that the children would be at higher risk of abuse or neglect."
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=6767745&page=3

    (3 page article)
    Last edited by MeoW333; 01-31-2009 at 11:12 PM. Reason: add


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    Is this her religious belief? Is she one of those "quiver full" folks?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fermi View Post
    Okay - here's another question: For them to have a father's name listed on the B.C.'s, does this mean that she knew him personally? If this was just a donor, then why would his name be known, let alone listed? I don't know what SOP's are with IVF clinics regarding this.
    It's been reported that the donor is a friend of hers. If he is listed on the birth certificate I would think he is legally responsible for child support.
    It is going to cost approx. $500,000.00 for thier hosp bill and she most likey is not paying for health insurance


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