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  1. #16
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    A little more about Unidentified at this link, scroll down:

    http://www.visitmonmouth.com/01190_prosecutor/crime.htm

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    I believe that now the unidentified is being looked at as a possible match to Jan Cotta.

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    Could the remains possibly be those of Karen Lynn Zendrosky who went missing from Bordentown Township in New Jersey on October 23, 1979 (I know that the date is a little off etc. but it is a possibility, I guess)?--remains sometimes, depending on the location, can breakdown more quickly that would be normally assumed. Is it possible for LE to check into this as well?

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    I did not want to start a new thread, since there are so many for comparing already. I would like some opinions on these two girls. I am not sure if this has been discussed already.


    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/375dfvt.html

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/281ufga.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mere
    I did not want to start a new thread, since there are so many for comparing already. I would like some opinions on these two girls. I am not sure if this has been discussed already.


    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/375dfvt.html

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/281ufga.html
    Mere,

    I don't think that this could be a match. The unidentified female had:

    She had undergone a full left hip replacement that repaired an intertrochanteric fracture of the left hip.
    Dentals: Available. She had extensive dental work including a fixed gold bridge, two full gold crowns and both upper front teeth were fused to metal crowns.
    I see nothing like that in Heidi's description. Those are pretty big identifiers.
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    I thought the same thing. But Heidi is listed as a runway. All of the details on her are superficial. The information given on her is details people would see if she is still alive.

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    You would think with all of that specific dental work and hip surjury on the unidentified above, someone would have claimed her. Very unusual looking hair too.

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    ^ agree with you. Its crazy. I would have also thought they would have been able to trace back to where the dental work was done and all that.

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    NJ - Atlantic Highlands - White Female 20UFNJ, 15-30, 1988

    Case File 20UFNJ
    Unidentified White Female

    Discovered on December 10, 1988 in Atlantic Highlands, Monmouth County, New Jersey.
    The victim was estimated to have been buried at the location for over 10 years.

    Unidentified Caucasian Female Discovered on December 10, 1988 in Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey Approximately 15 - 18 years old by coroner's estimation Cause of death is unknown due to the skeletal remains of the victim.
    http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...nk&cd=80&gl=us
    Vital Statistics
    This victim was discovered off lower Bayside Drive in Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey as a parcel of land was cleared along Sandy Hook Bay.
    She was 5'0 - 5'4 and weighed 100 - 120 pounds. Her hair and eye color are both undetermined. The victim was estimated to have been buried at the location for approximately 15 years, placing the year of her death between 1973 - 1975.
    She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks.
    Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.



    Estimated age: 15 - 20 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'0 - 5'4"; 100 - 120 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: Hair and eye color are both undetermined.
    Dentals: Available. Decedant had signifigant tooth decay. Gap in the upper central incisors.
    Clothing: She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks. Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.
    DNA: Available


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    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/64dfmd.html
    Sheila Mary Lyon
    Missing since March 25, 1975 from Wheaton, Montgomery County, Maryland
    Classification: Endangered Missing




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    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: March 30, 1962
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 12 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2" (157 cm); 100 lbs (45 kg)
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; blue eyes. She wears eyeglasses.
    Clothing: Sheila was last seen wearing a dark blue shirt and wheat-colored corduroy pants. But her sister dissapeared with her and was wearing a red jacket
    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/64dfmd.html
    Sheila Mary Lyon
    Missing since March 25, 1975 from Wheaton, Montgomery County, Maryland
    Classification: Endangered Missing
    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Sheila and her younger sister, Katherine, departed together from their family's residence on Plyers Mill Road in Kensington, Maryland on March 25, 1975 between 11:00 AM- 12:00 PM. The girls were walking to the Wheaton Plaza Shopping Center in Wheaton, Maryland, which was approximately one-half mile from their home and located on the corner of University Boulevard and Veirs Mills Road. Sheila and Katherine were on spring vacation from school and wanted to see the Easter exhibits at the mall, as well as have lunch at The Orange Bowl Restaurant .
    A neighborhood child saw the girls outside the restaurant at approximately 1:00 PM. He told investigators that the sisters were speaking to an unidentified middle-aged man wearing a brown suit. The man was carrying a briefcase with a tape recorder inside. There were also other children around who were speaking into a microphone he was holding. The witness' description of the man led authorities to view the unknown person as a prime suspect in the Lyon sisters' case and a sketch of the individual was created.
    The girls' older brother saw them inside The Orange Bowl Restauranteating pizza together at approximately 2:00 PM. A friend stated that the girls were walking westward down Drumm Avenue near Devon Street between 2:30 - 3:00 PM. This would have been one of the most direct routes to their home on Plyers Mill Road from the mall and was the final confirmed sighting of the sisters. Their mother had instructed Sheila and Katherine to return to the residence by 4:00 PM; when they did not arrive by 7:00 PM, authorities were summoned and an extensive search was conducted. No evidence of the Lyon sisters' whereabouts could be located. The girls had less than $4 between them when they left home, and after eating lunch, would have had only some change left in their pockets.

    A witness in Manassas, Virginia reported seeing two girls resembling Sheila and Katherine in the rear of a 1968 beige Ford station wagon on April 7, 1975. The witness stated that the girls were observed bound and gagged in the vehicle at approximately 7:30 AM that day. The driver of the station wagon resembled the man seen questioning children at The Orange Bowl Restaurant the day the sisters vanished. When the driver spotted the witness tailing him, he ran a red light and sped west on Route 234 towards Interstate 66 in Virginia. The station wagon had Maryland license plates with the possible combination "DMT-6**." The last two numbers are unknown due to the bending of the car's plate. The known combination was issued in Cumberland, Hagerstown and Baltimore, Maryland at the time. A search for matching plate numbers failed to produce any information.
    The girls' disappearances remain unsolved.
    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/65dfmd.html

    Katherine Mary Lyon
    Missing since March 25, 1975 from Wheaton, Montgomery County, Maryland
    Classification: Endangered Missing



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    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: March 29, 1964
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 10 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'8; 85 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; blue eyes.
    Marks, Scars: She has a birthmark on the inside of her upper thigh.
    Clothing: Katherine was last seen wearing a red jacket and Wrangler brand blue jeans with a front zipper.

    The victim was found with 2 different sets of shoes. A platform sandal and a little work boot with football scene stitched on the side.

    I wonder if the tooth decay was baby teeth molars?
    Last edited by ihadcabinfever; 02-02-2007 at 05:32 PM.

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    i don't really see a connection here.. i doubt katherine would have had 'significant' tooth decay.. she came from a fairly well-off (or at least middle-class) home & her parents could have afforded proper dental care. also, they estimated the found girl's age to be 15-20, katherine was only 12, and probably not wearing a bra yet. if it was a young girl's bra, they probably would have mentioned that.


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    I think 12 years old is seventh grade. I and my friends wore bras by the sixth grade. Also many kids just have bad teeth (genetics) and do still have and get cavities today. Even in upper class families. I don't see that they listed dentals on the girls. I did notice the 12 year old had an eye tooth coming in .

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    Also note that the 12 year old's height is listed as 5 2 , thats a tall girl for her age.That would make her jean size about a 1 or 3 in juniors,beleive me I know.

    Girl's Pant Sizing

    Sized Inseams (Jean/Pant) Short Regular Long
    00 28" 30"
    0-14 30" 32" 34"

    a 28 length would be about 5 2
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    http://www.capemaylewesferry.com/history/history.html

    Since the Early Years:

    In 1975, ferry operations were dramatically reduced from 24 hours a day to 16 hours per day. Operational costs were substantially slashed while revenues continued to be steady. Also in 1972 the Authority signed an $11.7 million contract with Todd Shipyards Corp. to construct 3 new ferry vessels.

    As traffic and revenue increased, the ferry ran into capacity problems. The existing vessels could no longer handle the demand. With the introduction of casino gambling in Atlantic City, the problem worsened.

    The Authority began plans for its fourth new vessel and in June 1981, the MV New Del, later renamed the MV Cape Henlopen, was put into service. Four years later the fifth new vessel was put into service and named the MV Cape May.

    In 1994, the Delaware River and Bay Authority initiated an aggressive vessel refurbishment plan. The primary goal of the refurbishment plan was to improve customer service and comfort. All five vessels in the present fleet were completely refurbished in a five-year, $54.4 million master plan: MV Delaware (1994), MV Twin Capes (1996), MV Cape May (1998), MV Cape Henlopen (1998) and MV New Jersey (1999).

    Passenger terminals at both Lewes and Cape May have been dramatically upgraded and modernized since 2000 at cost of over $12 million. Access highways, parking lots, support facilities, and virtually all other aspects of CMLF customer service have been maintained to state-of-the-art quality and performance.

    After 40 years of service, the Cape May-Lewes Ferry operation has become a reliable, quality transportation link in the mid-Atlantic region of the East Coast—earning its reputation as "The Best Boat Ride in America".

    At last official count, there were 67 ferries operating in waters of the United States with capacity to carry 50 or more vehicles. More than half (34) are on the Pacific Coast, 11 operate in the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi River, 1 in the Great Lakes, and 6 in New England. Of the 15 ferries operating along the Atlantic Coast, there are 3 each in Virginia and New York, 4 in North Carolina and the 5 ferry vessels of Cape May-Lewes Ferry.

    The Lewes Ferry brings you right to the bottom of N.J. This girl was found near Sandy Hook which is exit 117 off the Parkway. About a 1 1/2 to 2 hour drive. Depending on how fast your going.

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    Sheila
    Clothing: Sheila was last seen wearing a dark blue shirt and wheat-colored corduroy pants.

    Katherine
    Clothing: Katherine was last seen wearing a red jacket and Wrangler brand blue jeans with a front zipper.

    UWF
    She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks.
    Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mere
    Sheila
    Clothing: Sheila was last seen wearing a dark blue shirt and wheat-colored corduroy pants.

    Katherine
    Clothing: Katherine was last seen wearing a red jacket and Wrangler brand blue jeans with a front zipper.

    UWF
    She was wearing a long-sleeved gray and red nylon laced top; a white bra; brown leather platform sandals, size 6 1/2 with a 2 1/2 inch-high heel; and knee-high white acrylic socks.
    Items found near her body included a portion of one pink rubber thong-style sandal; and a leather-like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.

    "small boot" with a picture of a football scene on the side, stitched in red and white.
    Is that noted because it did not fit her?
    Smaller than what? The sandal?
    I cannot find where it could be mentioned what type of shoes these girls where wearing the day they went missing.
    One more thing how do you know if it is a shirt or a light jacket if it has been out in the elements for that long. Especially by the ocean. The ocean water is brutal even on Marine paint.

    One more thing her sister could have handed her the coat to wear.

    I had a friend that moved to Atlantic Highlands right after the bus station (Make Rt.) off of rte 35 near the graveyard, from my neighborhood 2 hours north of here back in 1980 and what popped into my memory was the last name of a girl that was a new friend. It is the same last name of the guy from the Science Firm in Maryland. I wonder if they are relatives and he would know that area specifically.
    Sandy Hook at that time had alot of Military stuff at and near the beach. Very isolated area in the winter .
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