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  1. #61
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    Would not hurt to send it in to DOE for a match panel assessment. I see that the UID has a gap between the the upper central incisors whereas Margaret had two missing teeth in top right front. That would have been reported as a characteristic on the UID. Looks as if there were no pants found with the UID but there were brown leather platform sandals - Margaret was wearing brown leather sandals when she was last seen. So - could very well be her.
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    Thanks Jane in Oz for combining the info here to compare!

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    Submitted to DOE

    Thanks for your feedback, everyone, I sent Rocky an email. We will see...

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    to be honest, I don't really see a resemblance, but then again I don't really rely on reconstructions for anything other than bone structure, and all the other factors seem to match. I say call it in!
    Some people do crossword puzzles or Soduko in their spare time...I look at skeletal reconstructions and work on UID puzzles. I swear I'm not this morbid in person!

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    "Already submitted"

    I don't know if that means ruled out or under investigation, the email came back from Rocky....

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    sillygilly "Already submitted"

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    I don't know if that means ruled out or under investigation, the email came back from Rocky....
    Yesterday 02:56 PM
    I received the same response back from Rocky last week when I submitted a possible match between http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/479ufnj.html and http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._brittany.html. I just left it at that and didn't go any further contacting anyone else.

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    I wonder if there is a list of people already ruled out somewhere? This might be quite useful.

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    kpdx is offline Jane Doe was discovered Aug. 14, 1977 outside of Everett WA
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    I couldn't find a rule out list for Monmouth Jane...and I really think there are some strong similarities between Jane and Denise Sheehy http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/754dfny.html

    The clothes are almost spot on, the teeth look similar (doe conflicts with NAMUS, so I am going by NAMUS) and height and weight are close.

    I saw that Denise's sister has still been looking for her...and I am wondering if she has submitted her DNA to get Denise on CODIS.
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    kpdx is offline Jane Doe was discovered Aug. 14, 1977 outside of Everett WA
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    here is more info on Jane:

    1973-1975: Unknown Female Skeletal Remains
    Unknown Sketch Unknown Composite

    On December 10, 1988, while local residents gathered to help clear a parcel of land that runs along the Sandy Hook Bay in Atlantic Highlands for a bicycle trail, a local volunteer found what he at first thought was a plastic ball, which turned out to be a human skull. The resident reported the find to the Atlantic Highlands Police Department who began an investigation into this found human skull.

    Once the Monmouth County Medical Examiner's Office and the State of New Jersey Medical Examiner's Office confirmed that the skull was human, the Atlantic Highlands Police Department, with the assistance of the Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office, New Jersey State Police, Connecticut State Police, Monmouth County Medical Examiner's Office, State of New Jersey Medical Examiner's Office, Burlington County Medical Examiner's Office, the local Department of Public Works and Water Department, excavated the area by sifting the earth in four sectors, recovering more than 85% of the skeletal remains.

    An anthropology examination was performed upon the skeletal remains, which were identified as a:

    * Caucasian female
    * between the ages of 15 to 18 years old at time of death
    * 5'1" to 5'4"
    * approximately 100 to 120 pounds.

    The decedent was found to be wearing the following:

    * platform sandal shoes, composed of brown leather with brown painted plastic platform soles and a 2 inch high heel, size 6
    * knee high white acrylic socks
    * grey & red nylon long sleeved laced top
    * white brassiere

    additional items near the remains:

    * portion of one pink rubber "thong-type" sandal
    * leather like shoe or small boot with a picture of a football scene on side in red and white

    A botanist reviewed the scene and clothing in the skeletal remains and estimated the body had been in that same location for approximately the previous fifteen years. This would put the year of death at approximately 1973 to 1975.

    An investigation by the Atlantic Highlands Police Department was conducted in an attempt to identify the human skeletal remains. The human skeletal remains were mapped out and placed in the National Police computer system for all law enforcement departments to compare to their missing persons. The local media from the tri-state area converged on the small town of Atlantic Highlands and broadcast the human skeletal recovery for about four straight days. Massive medical coverage was aired and a special program called Crime Beat highlighted this case. No identification was made.

    In 1992, with the assistance of the FBI, a clay reconstruction was made over the human skull and is a possible resemblance of what this recovered female skeletal remains may have looked like. Additionally, several parts of the skeletal remains were sent to LabCorp in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina for mitochondrial DNA profiling in 1997.

    The Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office and the Atlantic Highlands Police Department now have a DNA profile that can be used to link this female subject to a family member as well as dental records.
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    I wonder if Sheryl Tillinghast has been looked at.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...st_sheryl.html

    The one thing that catches my attention is the condition of her teeth which match the description of MJD's teeth.



    Her height is within range although her weight is a little higher than the estimate (I presume based on MJD's clothing).

    Her hometown of Wassaic NY is 140 miles from Monmouth County NJ.

    And since she wasn't reported missing until 1998, she may have been missed in the sweep for possibles when MJD's remains were found.
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    kpdx is offline Jane Doe was discovered Aug. 14, 1977 outside of Everett WA
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    i think that might be a possible, my only concern with Sheryl matching was dental. The NAMUS chart on MJD shows some fillings/restoration.

    Also, wondering if Sheryl's DNA has been entered into CODIS...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpdx View Post
    i think that might be a possible, my only concern with Sheryl matching was dental. The NAMUS chart on MJD shows some fillings/restoration.

    Also, wondering if Sheryl's DNA has been entered into CODIS...
    Ditto, she's worth checking into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpdx View Post
    Also, wondering if Sheryl's DNA has been entered into CODIS...
    I had already checked Sheryl's Doe page, and it didn't say anythinhg about DNA, but I should have also checked Sheryl's NamUs profile:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/3259/0/

    It says DNA Status: Sample Submitted, Tests Complete. It's fair to say "submitted" means entered in CODIS. And the UID's DNA is definitely in CODIS.

    Therefore, Sheryl is a CODIS rule-out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I had already checked Sheryl's Doe page, and it didn't say anythinhg about DNA, but I should have also checked Sheryl's NamUs profile:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/3259/0/

    It says DNA Status: Sample Submitted, Tests Complete. It's fair to say "submitted" means entered in CODIS. And the UID's DNA is definitely in CODIS.

    Therefore, Sheryl is a CODIS rule-out.
    I thought that meant it was submitted for testing, and if it was in CODIS, it said "entered in CODIS"????

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    I thought that meant it was submitted for testing, and if it was in CODIS, it said "entered in CODIS"????
    You're right - Maybe I shouldn't presume things that aren't as explicitly stated as I would like. I'm making a conscious effort to not cling to theories that get contradicted by closer examination. I've been guilty of that on occasion.

    I just wish that they would be more clear about that. If DNA was put into CODIS, they should explicitly say so.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 02-06-2010 at 03:23 PM.

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