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    I am aware the crime problem related to illegal imigrants but, at least in California, local police agencies let it be know among the illegal immigrant community, that they do not enforce immigration law and they will not refer otherwise law abiding folks over to INS. This is done, of course so that people will cooperate with them on normal law enforcement issues. It is quite "normal" for illegal immigrants to report crimes, give witness statements and testify at trials. (most crimes commited by illegal immigrants are against other illegal immigrants). Perhaps someone knows what the police policy was in Orlando. This could have effected the outcome of the investigation.

    Dearmont, good work. Not solid proof but it does confirme the FBI's work. My point is that the "height" issue is critical to the investigation and it has to be done right and the information has to be handeled correctly or the investigation will be compromised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilacwine View Post
    I couldn't find it but did find the link for the raid on the rooming house.. so I'm pretty sure I did read about the "talk on the streets"
    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/6991655/detail.html

    Interesting to note that during my re-read I found that one reporter said the scent went to the woods...
    and another where Ring said
    ". . . and we believe she was in or near that vehicle during the time of her abduction," said Sgt. Rich Ring, Orlando Police Department. . ."
    This lead needs to be re-checked - it would seem it was credible enough for the LE to check it out - the lady who gave the information was probably African-American - and she would definately know if a White woman was being held against her will in that area. Think the LE needs to take a look behind that apartment - more on 41st street. JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by dearmont View Post
    This lead needs to be re-checked - it would seem it was credible enough for the LE to check it out - the lady who gave the information was probably African-American - and she would definately know if a White woman was being held against her will in that area. Think the LE needs to take a look behind that apartment - more on 41st street. JMHO

    They found the woman.. and it wasn't Jen.. it was a prostitute... I saw that on a video at some point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dearmont View Post
    This lead needs to be re-checked - it would seem it was credible enough for the LE to check it out - the lady who gave the information was probably African-American - and she would definately know if a White woman was being held against her will in that area. Think the LE needs to take a look behind that apartment - more on 41st street. JMHO

    They found the woman.. and it wasn't Jen.. it was a prostitute... I saw that on a video at some point...

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    I wonder what became of the person that abducted this prostitute? Anyone know if he was investigated? If he had abducted someone - what's to say he had not done it before?
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    I noticed in your presentation on height/stride you used, you didn't take into account the perp may have changed stride due to curbing or other obstructions. I also notice what appears is that you went from the ball of the foot to heel. Is that normal to indicate stride or were you just measuring distance at that point? Did you use the other photos at the gate when doing this calculation?

    No offense, but I am still going with the taller version of the person. I will have to find the calculations done by the WSers who actually went out to the site to do their own testing. The testing/report done that Drivenon mentioned sound quite accurate and professionally done, too.
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    When I watched the lady on before nancy grace a week and a bit ago i think thats where i seen it but they were talking about how an inmate had said he has details about the case and the police say they allready knew this inmate and know what he is saying and its been looked at or they know he is just talkin crap i cant remember the precise thing the cops said but what i made more about from the breif update was about how thwy were letting the condo workers stay in the empty ones because alot of them were not citizens and they could get away with cheaper labour right maybe taking off money for them staying in the empty condo;s too and i know her bf said jenn was weirded out by that in fact the unit beside her and behind her were being used by the workers .My Oppinion it that thats who is invilved one or some of them after seeing her for a while and knowing just how pretty she was they were there for i dont know how long but if u seen her leave for work at 9 or whatever time it was 5 times a week for a months straight it wouldnt be to hard to figure out she has a job and leaves at that time every day so they could plan something nit what i really wanna say is why arent the police all over the owners ass for letting these guys work there im sure they could scare him with some petty jail time for hiring illegal workers which they would know they saif they interviewed alot of them. Maybe the owner wouldnt know anything but rattling him up couldnt hurt..and he would know the main contractors thar do have are american and they hire those guys cause they know they will work cheap and then go lean on the head of the company he would know his workers..like i said these are just some thoughts i had wouldnt hurt to try to shake some awnsers loose ..
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    The only way I could see an illegal worker involved in this is on returning the car to HOTG. I don't see them involved in the initial crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    I noticed in your presentation on height/stride you used, you didn't take into account the perp may have changed stride due to curbing or other obstructions. I also notice what appears is that you went from the ball of the foot to heel. Is that normal to indicate stride or were you just measuring distance at that point? Did you use the other photos at the gate when doing this calculation?

    No offense, but I am still going with the taller version of the person. I will have to find the calculations done by the WSers who actually went out to the site to do their own testing. The testing/report done that Drivenon mentioned sound quite accurate and professionally done, too.
    No offense taken - actually, there does not appear to be any obstacles in the path of the POI and yes, I did use both photos of the POI. Also, it would appear that the POI is about 8 feet from the gate which would also support the estimate that the POI is rather short. As for professionally done - or not - I am a former Imagery Intelligence Analyst - FWITW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myserty64 View Post
    For me the biggest red flag is 'workers were allowed to live in the empty condos.' So when someone suggests this crime could have been committed by someone living at Mosaic there is a fair chance they are right.

    On the recent 48 Hours show a detective stated 'anywhere from six to two dozen people were in Jennifer's condo over the course of the first 24 hours.'
    The show host: 'and that contaminates a crime scene.'
    Detective: 'no question.'

    In a perfect world that condo would have been sealed off as soon as police arrived there. It wasn't and it was at this point the wheels on this investigation started to wobble.

    The detective working on this case today has no doubt put his heart and soul into the investigation. But what on earth do you do when you have so little to work on.
    That the suspect had two days start before the investigation got into top gear is an absolute tragedy for Jennifer's family and friends.
    I just watched the 48 hours show on Jennifer's website. I agree about the condo not being sealed, that is unfortunate. I also wish that the condos in Jennifer's complex, especially the ones where the workers were living, would have been inspected. The video mentioned that all the condos could not be searched because some were privately owned. I wonder if any of them were searched, and why a search warrant was not obtained to see if there was anything suspicious in any of the nearby condos?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kemo View Post
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    I am aware the crime problem related to illegal imigrants but, at least in California, local police agencies let it be know among the illegal immigrant community, that they do not enforce immigration law and they will not refer otherwise law abiding folks over to INS. This is done, of course so that people will cooperate with them on normal law enforcement issues. It is quite "normal" for illegal immigrants to report crimes, give witness statements and testify at trials. (most crimes commited by illegal immigrants are against other illegal immigrants). Perhaps someone knows what the police policy was in Orlando. This could have effected the outcome of the investigation.
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    Ok, I see what you're saying. But for whatever reason, LE said it is/was extremely difficult to trace some of the workers, and I think that was as of last year since it was said on 48 Hours.

    I also noticed that Detective Wright said the workers were "large groups of crews that had traveled together." I know construction crews sometimes travel from site to site for projects (working and living together). I wonder where they were originally from - maybe the Miami area where the Developer is based out of.

    Detectives discovered there was extensive remodeling going on at the complex, including some work in Jennifer’s own unit, and Jennifer had complained to her family that some of the workers were making her feel uncomfortable. Asked what she said, Joyce says, "They would stop and stare. …Leering stares is what she would say." "Were these guys mostly day workers?" Van Sant asks. "It was large groups of crews that had traveled together. And many of them were staying right there in several of the units in the complex itself," Wright says. In fact, of the 447 units in Jennifer’s complex, only 250 were occupied at the time, and workers were allowed to live in the empty units. But Sgt. Brennan says tracing these people is "extremely difficult." (ref 48 Hours)
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...97_page5.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanManEh View Post
    When I watched the lady on before nancy grace a week and a bit ago i think thats where i seen it but they were talking about how an inmate had said he has details about the case and the police say they allready knew this inmate and know what he is saying and its been looked at or they know he is just talkin crap i cant remember the precise thing the cops said but what i made more about from the breif update was about how thwy were letting the condo workers stay in the empty ones because alot of them were not citizens and they could get away with cheaper labour right maybe taking off money for them staying in the empty condo;s too and i know her bf said jenn was weirded out by that in fact the unit beside her and behind her were being used by the workers .My Oppinion it that thats who is invilved one or some of them after seeing her for a while and knowing just how pretty she was they were there for i dont know how long but if u seen her leave for work at 9 or whatever time it was 5 times a week for a months straight it wouldnt be to hard to figure out she has a job and leaves at that time every day so they could plan something nit what i really wanna say is why arent the police all over the owners ass for letting these guys work there im sure they could scare him with some petty jail time for hiring illegal workers which they would know they saif they interviewed alot of them. Maybe the owner wouldnt know anything but rattling him up couldnt hurt..and he would know the main contractors thar do have are american and they hire those guys cause they know they will work cheap and then go lean on the head of the company he would know his workers..like i said these are just some thoughts i had wouldnt hurt to try to shake some awnsers loose ..
    I agree. And the Developer has done many projects throughout Florida, maybe with the same work crews. It was in the press in Dec 08 that this same Developer has recently joined forces with a Mexican-led investment group to build a $130 million, 15-story tower in Coral Gables/Miami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blossomfish View Post
    I just watched the 48 hours show on Jennifer's website. I agree about the condo not being sealed, that is unfortunate. I also wish that the condos in Jennifer's complex, especially the ones where the workers were living, would have been inspected. The video mentioned that all the condos could not be searched because some were privately owned. I wonder if any of them were searched, and why a search warrant was not obtained to see if there was anything suspicious in any of the nearby condos?
    Good question. I wonder what kind of forensics they did on the units where the workers were living - did they get fingerprints, DNA, other items, etc. from those units and when exactly was that done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudajo View Post
    I agree. And the Developer has done many projects throughout Florida, maybe with the same work crews. It was in the press in Dec 08 that this same Developer has recently joined forces with a Mexican-led investment group to build a $130 million, 15-story tower in Coral Gables/Miami.
    Yes I also think that the developer should be questioned, records examined, because it seems wrong that the workers cannot be tracked down. This is definitely a security issue, and with the workers being allowed access to the condos for work to be done makes it quite worrisome. The perp is also out on the loose, free to strike again. I am praying that the Kesse family will get some new information this year. It upsets me horribly that we don't know where Jennifer is or what has happened to her; I just can't imagine what her family members must be going through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    Did you use the other photos at the gate when doing this calculation?
    Are the surveillance images taken by camera 3 at HOTG of the POI wlaking by the gate the ONLY surveillance photos taken of the POI? They are the only ones I've seen so far. If these are the only ones taken - what makes LE think this is a POI - Did anyone see this person drive Jennifers car into HOTG or get out of her car there? There has got to be something else here to make this an important clue in the case. If there is nothing else to indicate this is THE POI - we could all be chasing our tails!
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