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  1. #46
    Hmmm...no I didn't notice. The only video I have seen is what came from Greta VS. I believe the shot of her purse hanging on the chair was found on her camera 2 plus years later along with the shot of her tattoo.
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    This is the only one I could find and it doesn't look like the enhanced version of the video, but I could be wrong.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video...illance-063008
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    We should probably avoid Dominic Casey for hire on this case. LOL

    You make valid points tho. One thing that would stand out if it were a worker is he would have been gone until lunchtime when her car was returned. Someone would have noticed this or it would have been noted on his work record for that particular day.
    Exactly and taking that thought process one step further - they had to have records of what time each person started work because otherwise how would they know how much to pay each individual? I assume that in the States businesses have to be able to account for where their money goes i.e. you can't just say to the IRS 'oh yes, that $50k we withdrew out of the business account went to pay the illegal immigrants we use to work for us. Records - oh no, we don't keep records of how much we pay each person - believe me the whole $50k went on wages and I swear none was pocketed by me so I could avoid paying tax on it; you will have to trust me on this'. Do you see what I mean? On a smaller level the Foreman of the site must have had to answer to his bosses about where the money budgeted for wages was going each week.

    If one of the workers was absent from the mosaic for any period of time on the day Jennifer went missing, someone would know about it and I believe the reward money offered would have made that someone come forward.

    Drumstick, I think it was you who said that by the time LE had the pic of the POI (or POS as I like to call him in my mind, sorry mods!), the workers would have scattered, there would have been no-one to show the pic to etc...my thoughts are that LE found the car 2 .5 days after Jennifer vanished. I hope and assume they started looking for images of the person who parked the car immediately following this - it was the best lead that had after all, LE 101! So then at most they should have had those images another 24 hours after the car was found - we are now looking at 3.5 days after Jennifer went missing. If they then showed the pics to the Foreman (for lack of a better word) at the Mosaic, and in between the morning of the 24th and the 27th - 28th when the pic is shown, a worker has high-tailed it - wouldn't that set alarm bells ringing and wouldn't LE then be looking at that specific and also missing person very closely? Presumably information specific to that person would then have been released to the media - after all we are 3.5 days in now and time is of the essence....however as we all know, no additional information was released and LE did and still do, seem to be chasing their tails on this one. No disrespect to LE in general intended, I love LE but I think we all agree Jennifer's case was handled badly.

    So, in summary, I think it is unlikely to have been a worker who abducted Jennifer unless LE was extremley incompetent and dragged their feet massively after finding the car, or unless the Foreman and other workers lied about any absentee workers, or finally the worker was recognised by the Foreman who was told not to say anything to LE by the company who were responsible for the workers being their in the first place, out of a misplaced fear of them being blamed for what happened to Jennifer because of the workers they chose to use. IMO the last of these options is the most likely scenario although I still think it is actually quite unlikely...just to be on the safe side maybe the Foreman does need to be interviewed again in case he did lie...could now be suffering a huge case of the guilts all these years later?

    O/T - Thanks for reposting what Leftcoast had written SS - very poignant.
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    I don't disagree with your line of thinking.. but I think we also need to consider this..

    Landscapers/painters/plumbers/electricians etc...
    were any of these contractors who didn't work directly for the company.

    If it were a contractor who had done work on the grounds prior... his presence on the grounds might have seemed normal ...

    But, checking with Mosaic's security might not have turned up the absence.

    Also.. let's assume some workers let some friends stay at these free rent condos.... opportunity... but not employees.

    Who's going to say...

    "Hey, I'm not in the country legally... and this company is letting me crash here... and I let my cousin/friend/brother etc... stay here and now he's gone!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dearmont View Post
    SS - thank you for posting the additional details - wonderful!
    As I looked at the video, the final frame taken just before the POI goes out of view - the face is unobscured by the railing. Is there a clean blowup of this frame?

    I cannot open the last link with the enhanced video - would you consider reposting the URL? Thanks!

    Added: I used my own photosoftware to enlarge and sharpen the image - it's not clear of course - but the face looks Asian to me.
    Here is the last frame enlarged. I believe the POI's face is behind the trunk of the palm tree.
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    Here's the one of the photo's (copyright acknowledged) that SS provided link for - shows the parking area in front of the gate - I do not see a palm but there is vegetation that could have obscured the face. Dang! one second more or less and the face would have been seen. Curious, though, if the tree/vine thingy seen in the photo did obscure the face - it does seem to suggest that this person is a bit on the short side?
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    I think the video could be cleaned up more to enhance the facial features, but I could be wrong. It could help with the height issue tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dearmont View Post
    Here's the one of the photo's (copyright acknowledged) that SS provided link for - shows the parking area in front of the gate - I do not see a palm but there is vegetation that could have obscured the face. Dang! one second more or less and the face would have been seen. Curious, though, if the tree/vine thingy seen in the photo did obscure the face - it does seem to suggest that this person is a bit on the short side?

    I believe LE stated the POI was around 5'5....They also were able to approximate shoe size but I don't remember what it was. I can try to find a link if you would like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilacwine View Post
    I don't disagree with your line of thinking.. but I think we also need to consider this..

    Landscapers/painters/plumbers/electricians etc...
    were any of these contractors who didn't work directly for the company.

    If it were a contractor who had done work on the grounds prior... his presence on the grounds might have seemed normal ...

    But, checking with Mosaic's security might not have turned up the absence.

    Also.. let's assume some workers let some friends stay at these free rent condos.... opportunity... but not employees.

    Who's going to say...

    "Hey, I'm not in the country legally... and this company is letting me crash here... and I let my cousin/friend/brother etc... stay here and now he's gone!"
    It's a good point Liliacwine - all of those scenarios do actually point away from it being a worker who was staying at the Moasic. I think a sub-contractor who worked at the Mosaic previously is a good line of thought...but these people should be 100% traceable as their companies would still need to be paid to pay them so same thinking applies, imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverMom View Post
    Here is the last frame enlarged. I believe the POI's face is behind the trunk of the palm tree.
    I found the suspect's face in the third still and posted about it here awhile back. You can take a look at it here: http://www.justiceforchandra.com/for...pic.php?t=3033

    I see we have some good discussion on the suspect photos again. I'll come back and read and take a look at the work tonight.

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    Here's a link to where it says the POI is 5'3"-5-5"...It's at the top of the poster. I'm still looking for the shoe size.


    http://jenniferkesse.com/person-of-interest.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumstick View Post
    SS, somewhere in all the early video links I remember the interview with the neighbor lady who was walking her dog that morning. She made a statement to the press that she did not see Jennifer that morning and her car was gone.

    Wherever that car was that morning it was not in Jennifer's parking spot according to this lady.

    Was it hidden in one of the many garages at the complex and driven over to HOTG by a worker on his lunch break or was it taken off the property early that morning?

    LE collected the film from businesses up and around the area and we don't know if they discovered her car on that film being driven by the suspect. They have never said.

    As for the suspect's height. I believe the measurement of 5'3-5'5 is correct.

    I have personally observed foot traffic in that area on my many visits to that neighborhood and that measurement is typical of what I saw.

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    drumstick, I can't recall seeing that before about a neighbor not seeing Jennifer's car that morning. It's what I expect, what I have posted I thought happened, but hadn't seen any confirmation of it. Not only would it be great to know that for sure, but also approximately what time she walked her dog.

    Concerning the height, I'm here to listen and see if I can understand anything different than I've thought for years. Although the stride analysis from dearmont is interesting, I put greater stock in the third still where the suspect is partialy obscured by the palm tree, and it was a palm like tree standing about 7 feet tall.

    Granted, an uncertainty of the angle of the camera and pushing the suspect well out into the lane can make it appear that he is short, but I believe the comparison to the 7 foot palm tree is the best indication of his height, and that it is about average height of 5'10" or 5'11".

    I also saw really good work done here a year or two ago by local photo pros who visited the site and their work was convincing in showing average height.

    Also, dearmont, glad to see an experienced Imagery Analyst Specialist looking at Jennifer's case. I hope you have the opportunity to check out the link I posted above where I have blownup the images and adjusted brightness on them. I think it is clear the suspect is wearing law enforcement equipment, I've posted that before here and the thread already has that info. However, given your knowledge and experience I wanted to make sure you got a chance take a look at it.

    rd

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    RD - I can only assume that we are working from an image capture of the surv video frames directly off the Internet (ie by screen capture) rather than frames directly from the surv tape itself - if so, it's the worst kind of image to work with. The image becomes so compressed that detail is lost and no amount of increased resoulution can provide the detail we are all looking for. What we see are shadows and artifacts that could could be misinterpreted. Analysis must be done on the actual video frame. LE should approach the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (NGA) and have experts there do the enhancements - they have the tools to do this.

    I applaud your hard work and analysis of what you had to work with and I am not going to discount nor dismiss it; I have taken a hard look at your work posted on the other site but I cannot come to the same conclusion that the POI is a taller person or is dressed in a uniform of some kind. I feel that in the 3rd frame, the POI face is obscured by vegitation - and if someone can confirm that there was a palm tree at that location - at that time - then I would relook at the POI height. Based on the photo posted earlier of the parking area - showing the position of the pool gate - I do not see anything that resembles a palm tree and must conlcude that the POI is of short stature.
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    rd, thank you.
    For those of you who have not followed the many, many arrests of cop imposters and bad cop reports in the State of FLorida over the last three years, I can tell you that this revelation is staggering.
    Right now we are following a case in Pensacola, FL of a cop impersonator who has attacked four women.
    Orlando has their own track record of arrests of this type.
    They use a badge to control and attack women.

    dearmont, I believe this case would fall under a "humanatarian effort" and I want to thank you for the NGA idea.

    The contractor involved with illegal workers ....
    By law, contractors are allowed some cash payments.
    When Drew Kesse said that over half the workers disappeared after Jen's abduction it makes me ask how this contractor paid that many people with cash and got away with it.

    If the contractor was paying a select few with large cash amounts and they dispursed the money among themselves, taxes would still have to be paid on the initial cash payments, no matter the amount.
    There should be a record of those payments to the crew leaders.
    Those crew leaders are key to rule in or out that this person was connected to the workers at Mosiac.
    Even three years later the contractor should be able to provide the names of those people.
    Florida conducts routine audits on businesses to insure may things and payroll tax and cash payments are at the top of the list.

    I would ask Detective Wright if he has inquired into any audits of this contractor since Jennifer's abduction?

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