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    Thank you Soulscape for your post #284. I'm looking forward to the analysis of the 2nd part of the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckaroozie View Post
    Looks like JACK is the paternal grandfather and Ronald's father: (snipped from Orlando Sentinel article) "I wish I could go out in the woods and search, but the police won't let the family go search," said Jack Cummings whose eyes were red and filled with tears.
    That's interesting, I didn't know that family members weren't allowed to search.

    I wonder if that's standard practice? Anyone know?
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    What do you guys make of this statement from the article below?

    The sheriff's office said that no additional volunteers are needed for the search and that the operation did not "require a thousand people."

    http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/a...1322&catid=295

    Is it odd?


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    Horary - The Truth of the Matter - Part 2

    The chart we are working with is here:

    http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/q...tter021309.gif



    The immediate sense is omninous. Scorpio rises, never comforting in a forensic horary chart because Scorpio is the sign of the 8th House of Death in the natural wheel. Additionally, at 2 degrees, ASCENDANT is in the Via Combusta (The Burning Way), a particularly malefic portion of the Zodiac, 15 degrees Libra through 15 degrees Scorpio. Notice the MOON is also in the Via Combusta, located in the 12th House of Misfortune, Sorrow & Woe. Ironically, MOON conjuncts the Fixed Star SPICA, the most benefic Star in the Heavens, but will that be enough to save the child?

    SUN casts its light, showing us where to look next. SUN, in conjunction with CHIRON (wounding/harm/damage) and NEPTUNE (disappearance; also prominent in death charts) in the 4th House of the Grave. Part of MISfortune is there too, in critical degree (4 Mutable) in Pisces, sign on the cusp of the 5th House of the Child. This is testimony the child is dead.

    Note: When FORTUNE is located in the 4th, 8th, or 12th House of the chart, it becomes the Part of MISFORTUNE.

    MOON in the 12th House of Kidnapping/ Misfortune/ Sorrow & Woe applies trine to SUN in the 4th House of the Grave. This is testimony the child is dead.

    The 3rd House is the House of Information/ Facts/ Rumors and PLUTO (complications/ kidnappers/ rape and also a death marker) is just inside the 3rd House cusp, followed by BLACK MOON LILITH, another death marker. MERCURY Lord of the interception in the 8th House of Death as well as the 11th House of Friends is there, as is MARS, ruler of the ASCENDANT and natural ruler of killers/ rapists/ violence. JUPITER the child (Lord 5) is there, conjunct the NORTH NODE in Fateful Degree (same degree as the NODES), always a sign of catastrophe, tragedy or fatality. Lord 3 SATURN located in the 11th House of Friends is opposite URANUS in the 5th House of the Child. The Truth of the Matter is that this child was abducted (PLUTO) and likely raped and killed.



    Supporting evidence:

    1. Part of Rape at 01 Scorpio, conjunct ASCENDANT.

    2. Part of Treachery at 01 Scorpio, conjunct ASCENDANT.

    3. Asteroid PERSEPHONE at 6 Aquarius parallel BLACK MOON LILITH, conjunct MARS (murderers, rapists) and conjunct the 1/26/09 Solar Eclipse, and Asteroid PROSPERINA at 26 Scorpio parallel JUPITER (Haleigh).

    Note: Parallels act as conjunctions. PERSEPHONE/ PROSPERINA are alternate names for CERES's daughter, the girl who was abducted by HADES Lord of the Underworld.

    4. The Part of Information, Whether True or False at 07:55 Aquarius is conjunct MARS (murder, murderers, rape, rapists), conjunct JUPITER (Haleigh) and trine the Part of Death at 06:21 Gemini intercepted in the 8th House of Death.

    5. ALGOL (losing one's head, literally or figuratively), the most malefic Fixed Star in the Heavens conjuncts the 8th House of Death cusp.

    6. JUPITER, CERES and VERTEX all in Fateful Degree -- same degree as the NODES -- with JUPITER (Haleigh) in crisis degree (9 Fixed). JUPITER (Haleigh) inconjunct CERES. Back to the myth of CERES & PERSEPHONE/PROSPERINA, this shows Haleigh was snatched from her "mother," and supports Misty's account of what happened. VERTEX in the same Fateful Degree shows a change, a turning point/ fateful encounter with others. In the 8th House, the change is Death.


    The Perp:

    The perp is SATURN/URANUS, Lord Turned 12 (radix 4th House Aquarius). He is located in the 11th House of Friends and disposited by MERCURY in End of His Rope 29th Degree in the 3rd House of Truth of the Matter. Notice SATURN and MERCURY are in mutual reception (in each other's signs). The perp is an older man and because SATURN is Retrograde, he has a hidden agenda = love of young children (mutual reception with MERCURY of young people). Notice the 5/11 axis comes into play in yet another chart. This again suggests a "friend" of the family and/or someone who has been in the home previously (or knows well its layout) or who is familiar with the family, knows a young girl lives there, etc. On the other hand, the 11th House in the natural wheel is Aquarius, with Lord 11 URANUS often given to perverts. Tuba/ Kaitland?? Any thoughts to share??



    Where is Haleigh?

    Based on JUPITER's location in the cadent 3rd House, Haleigh is hidden and not easy to find. However's she's close enough to 4th House cusp that I hold out hope she will be found sooner rather than later. I will try to determine a direction/ distance but it will be speculative. Tuba, please add your insights.


    ETA: In the 911 Call Chart (the only timed chart we have), VENUS signifies Haleigh and is located in virtually the same area of that chart --- in the 3rd House, close to 4th House Cusp, only VENUS in the 911 Call chart is in Aries while in the Truth Chart, JUPITER (Haleigh) is in Aquarius. This still gives cadent house, hard to find, but maybe hope because close to an angular house. Directionally, both charts indicate almost due NORTH or conversely, SOUTH.

    See: http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/q...all150-165.gif

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    Just a thought on Soulscape's "perp" def, to include her thoughts with Saturn Retro as a hidden agenda...

    The mention of an older man and hidden agenda kept causing me to think of the family's connection with the local school system/police dispatch/visits by Social Services. All of these could gain access to details needed to pull off such a brazen act. ??? Just a thought to keep us brainstorming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mish View Post
    Just a thought on Soulscape's "perp" def, to include her thoughts with Saturn Retro as a hidden agenda...

    The mention of an older man and hidden agenda kept causing me to think of the family's connection with the local school system/police dispatch/visits by Social Services. All of these could gain access to details needed to pull off such a brazen act. ??? Just a thought to keep us brainstorming...

    -Mish

    That's an interesting observation, Mish. I recall a CSI episode I watched a while back, a cold case, where it was eventually determined an older man, a social worker had been molesting young girls whose families were in his caseload. He got away with it for years, with several young girls, by threatening the mothers of these girls (typically young, poor) with withdrawal of social services/ removing child from home if they refused to let him see the child alone..........

    Creepy and sick.

    ETA: Rex Bills (The Rulership Book) gives URANUS, Aquarius, MOON, Cancer, JUPITER, 12th House to social workers/ social service workers.


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    Last edited by Soulscape; 02-14-2009 at 07:01 PM. Reason: ETA significators of social service workers


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    I've had a great deal of experience (as a teacher) with Soc Services; much like anyone charged with the responsibility of child welfare, there exist those who are in it for the wrong reasons. I've seen good and bad, but the fact remains there is little oversight in the three above mentioned "careers", leaving our littlest citizens vulnerable to the machinations of evil objectives.

    We might want to see what we can find for individuals connected with Haleigh via these routes. I'm concerned that the family element may cause roadblocks to be thrown down; there could be more at stake than we know.
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    Wonder if police have talked to the landlord? No forced entry. If I owned that house I would be concerned about now. Who else would have a key, maybe previous tenant???


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    Lambchop:

    IIRC, the mobile home is owned by the "father" 's family, but I'll need to go back and check as my memory just isn't all that great with "Fibro Fog". It's a great question b/c that is another area where individuals would most likely have knowledge of the family's habits/behavior, etc. AND..I would think IF others in the mobile housing community complained of noise/questionable activity for ANY resident..who would they tell (before elevating LE involvement) ?? BINGO! That would be your "landlord" , lambchop!

    If anything, one would think that individual just might know a LOT about what takes place, who comes and goes, etc in that housing community. ??

    If Soulscape thinks the names of these people (landlord/Social worker/etc) would be helpful for her and the other Astrosleuths, that would be something for the rest of us to try and locate.

    I'll wait for their direction in this matter.
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    Soulscape that was an outstanding chart and interpretation, as usual. All I can say is...WOW. It sounds like exactly what was needed to shed some light on the case. Thank you so much. When you nail down info on her location (distance/direction) I'm sure you'll let us know.

    Guys as for the landlord, someone posted it earlier in this thread. I'm going back to see if I can find it.
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    Just thought of this - Soul is it possible to identify a time she may have been taken from the charts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beckaroozie View Post
    Just thought of this - Soul is it possible to identify a time she may have been taken from the charts?

    Hypothetically, yes, Beck.

    Tuba's Moonrise chart shows whatever subsequently happened was already in progress. Since charts are symbolic, I took that to indicate the perp had already planned the crime, it was too late to stop it. The 10:00 pm Last Seen chart (regardless if that was the exact time) I cast supported Tuba's Moonrise Chart because the MOON in the Last Seen was Void of Course --- whatever was in progress was too late to be stopped.

    If LE interviewed the visitors, there should be testimony as to whether Haleigh was seen by them at 5:00 - 5:30 pm on 2/9/09. Assuming she was, the window of disappearance would be approx. 5:30 pm 2/9 through approx. 3:00 am 2/10.

    If Misty put the child to bed at 8:00, 8:15, 8:30 pm then the window would be from approx. 8:30 pm through approx. 3:00 am 2/10.

    If Misty actually last saw the child before she herself (Misty) went to bed around 10:00 - 10:30 pm on 2/9, then the window of disappearance would be approx. 10:00 pm on 2/9 through 3:00 am on 2/10.

    That notwithstanding, chart placements look suspicious as early as 11:50 pm, and until approx. 12:50 am. It is during this timeframe that JUPITER (Haleigh in the Truth chart) and the CHIRON/SUN/NEPTUNE conjunction (hurt/damage/disappearance) shift from the 4th House of the Home to the 3rd House of the Near Neighborhood.

    Logically, that seems a little "early" to me --- but what if Misty generally went to bed around 10:00 - 10:30 pm, and the perp, who likely had been observing the habit patterns of the family, had noted lights out consistently around this time? He may have figured 2 hours or so was enough for everyone to be soundly asleep, and he knew he'd have to be out of there before Ronald came home around 3:15 am or so.

    Another highly likely time would be 2:30 am when SATURN RX opp. URANUS was exactly on the 10/4 axis.



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    Soulscape, is it at all possible that the perp could someone in the family? Either by marriage or by blood?

    I was in contact with someone who was at the search yesterday and I wanted to know the answer before I go off half cocked!
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    Thank you Soulscape. I am still trying to digest all of this, and it is a very hard thing to do. I don't want to believe what the stars have to say sometimes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovejac View Post
    Soulscape, is it at all possible that the perp could someone in the family? Either by marriage or by blood?

    I was in contact with someone who was at the search yesterday and I wanted to know the answer before I go off half cocked!

    From what I know about incest, family members don't kidnap (and/or kill) their victims... They infiltrate as trusted loved ones, prep and groom their victims and carry on *in broad daylight* so to speak...

    Mish, can you add input? If any Thread readers are social workers/ psychologists, etc., please pipe in.

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