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    This is the truth!

    Prior to 12/26/96, the Ramseys were living the American Dream. They were a good Christian family who had obtained a certain level of success both together and individually. Overnight their world was turned upside down through the acts of one (or more) loser. Their one fault was they were too trusting, and let their guard down. The loser, once he came up with a plan, found it easy to obtain access to the home. Whatever his original motive was, he murdered an innocent defenseless child with a lot of potential. The Ramseys to this day have no idea who could have done this, or why they did it.
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    The Early Articles

    were very complimentary about the family. No one has a life with few blemishes, and all of a sudden become a sadistic killer of a beloved child--it doesn't happen. What changed? They got an attorney right away......and at least one lead detective didn't like it.....and took the law into his own hands, and was determined to find guilt, once he made his mind up that it was the parents.

    Slain girl's father a top Boulder exec

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    %%byline%%By Charlie Brennan and Kevin McCullen
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    BOULDER -- Ramsey was a name well-known in Boulder long before it became linked to tragedy. John Ramsey, the 53-year-old father of 6-year-old slaying victim JonBenet Ramsey, had a big impact on the community since moving to town five years ago.
    Ramsey had owned a Georgia-based computer company, Advanced Products Group, that merged with two other companies to form Access Graphics in 1989 in Boulder. Access Graphics, a subsidiary of Lockheed Martin Corp., distributes computer equipment and peripherals. Ramsey joined the company as vice president for sales and marketing and became president and chief executive officer in 1991.
    He won the Boulder County Business Report's Esprit Entrepreneur of the Year award in 1995. He was well-liked by his employees.
    JonBenet occasionally visited her father at Access Graphics. "She was an adorable child,'' said Laurie Wagner, a company vice president.
    Her charm won her the title of Little Miss Colorado this year. Already she was following in the footsteps of her mother. Patricia "Patsy'' Ramsey reigned as Miss West Virginia in 1977. "They were so serious about this beauty-queen stuff, but they never put any pressure on her,'' said Dee Dee Nelson-Schneider. Al Cox, president of the Miss West Virginia pageant, said Patricia Ramsey and her family were close friends who contributed to a pageant scholarship every year.
    "This is unbelievable,'' Cox said. "She is a real big supporter to our program and maintained close ties to us.'' The pain of the Ramseys' loss reverberated across town at High Peaks Elementary, the back-to-basics school JonBenet attended. The Boulder Valley School District dispatched counselors to the school, which was opened Friday for parents and students who wanted to talk about the tragedy. "She was a very bright child,'' said Barbara Chomko, director of secondary education for the district and former principal at High Peaks.
    Students are on vacation until Jan. 6, and a team of grief counselors is scheduled to be at school that week, Chomko said.
    The tragedy also stunned the close-knit neighborhood of narrow, tree-lined streets and well-appointed homes where the Ramseys settled in 1991. "She was a beautiful little girl,'' neighbor Diane Brumfitt said. "But her personality -- she was very engaging and charming.''
    "They're such a nice family,'' neighbor Joe Barnhill said, petting Jacques, a bichon frise. The dog once belonged to JonBenet but has become a regular boarder with the Barnhills, who cared for the girl's dog this summer while the Ramseys vacationed at their summer home in Michigan.
    "Why something like this would happen to such wonderful people,'' Barnhill said, "I'll never know.''


    December 28, 1996

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    I don't think that there are many who believe the Ramseys are "sadistic" killers. I have seen VERY few posts over the years where someone thinks they actually planned it - about as many as there are people who think a cop did it or the al Quaeda.

    I'm sorry Jayelles but I felt this section of text was a bit out of bounds.
    So I had to edit it.

    Accidents happen. People make mistakes - perfect families too.

    By all means have a pro-Ramsey thread (despite spin to the contrary, this isn't an exclusively anti-Ramsey board after all) - but PLEASE keep things in persepctive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai
    Prior to 12/26/96, the Ramseys were living the American Dream. They were a good Christian family who had obtained a certain level of success both together and individually. Overnight their world was turned upside down through the acts of one (or more) loser. Their one fault was they were too trusting, and let their guard down. The loser, once he came up with a plan, found it easy to obtain access to the home. Whatever his original motive was, he murdered an innocent defenseless child with a lot of potential. The Ramseys to this day have no idea who could have done this, or why they did it.
    Hey IMHO if you can live with that "thought" and BELIEVE it...more power to ya. IMHO it's putting BLINDERS on because it's safe but not true. :HappyBday
    I believe Sylvia Browne/John Edwards in the saying/thought: There are no accidents...everything happens for a reason.
    IMHO, it was planned (premeditated) like Patsy said; Why, I don't know but have a general idea. Read "The Franklyn Cover-Up" and it talks about the trauma-induced mind-controll of children and a place in Colorado...the Franklyn Cover-Up happened in my hometown and it was played out to be a hoax ... remember knowledge is neutral ... it's an interesting read FWIW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai
    Prior to 12/26/96, the Ramseys were living the American Dream. They were a good Christian family who had obtained a certain level of success both together and individually. Overnight their world was turned upside down through the acts of one (or more) loser. Their one fault was they were too trusting, and let their guard down. The loser, once he came up with a plan, found it easy to obtain access to the home. Whatever his original motive was, he murdered an innocent defenseless child with a lot of potential. The Ramseys to this day have no idea who could have done this, or why they did it.
    So, how do you really know the R's "have no idea" ... share?

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    Who's dream?

    Since when does the American dream include cancer, divorce, infidelity, the death of one child and the sexual exploitation of another? It only appears they were living the American Dream to those that are not. Success isn't measured by the square footage of one's home or how many toys are in the garage. It's measured by the interpersonal relationships to those around us. They were failing weither the death was an accident they couldn't handle or the reaction of an intruder.

    John was emotionally bankrupt from the death of Beth and Patsy wasn't the hormonally intact and balanced woman she had been due to cancer treatments.

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    Comments such as these are not required...
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    Quote Originally Posted by popcorn
    Since when does the American dream include cancer, divorce, infidelity, the death of one child and the sexual exploitation of another? It only appears they were living the American Dream to those that are not. Success isn't measured by the square footage of one's home or how many toys are in the garage. It's measured by the interpersonal relationships to those around us. They were failing weither the death was an accident they couldn't handle or the reaction of an intruder.

    John was emotionally bankrupt from the death of Beth and Patsy wasn't the hormonally intact and balanced woman she had been due to cancer treatments.
    Excellent post!

    Remember, there are many people in prison, mental hospitals, etc. who were living the American Dream.

    John was living the American dream when he was married to Lucinda.

    There are people living the American dream today, as were on 9/11, who are currently planning the next attack on America.

    That mantra of living the American dream is a pure waste of the alphabet when used in this context!
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    Hmmm.....if their one fault was that they were too trusting...just WHY did they lawyer up before their child was cold???? One would think that if a person were too trusting that they may want to co operate with the police in the matter of finding the killer of their child......just thinking out loud.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai
    Prior to 12/26/96, the Ramseys were living the American Dream. They were a good Christian family who had obtained a certain level of success both together and individually. Overnight their world was turned upside down through the acts of one (or more) loser. Their one fault was they were too trusting, and let their guard down. The loser, once he came up with a plan, found it easy to obtain access to the home. Whatever his original motive was, he murdered an innocent defenseless child with a lot of potential. The Ramseys to this day have no idea who could have done this, or why they did it.
    They were NOT a good Christian family. Good Christian families don't sexualize their children. Good Christian families don't prank women stating their husbands have a mistress. Good Christian families wouldn't associate with the type of friends (The Stines) who would steal a man's wallet through a crack in their front door, call the police and have the man arrested, nor would they associate with those who would impersonate a police officer, nor would they drink and drug themselves during a police investigation so that they could not be helpful. GOOD CHRISTIANS don't arrange a photo op at the memorial service of their daughter's tragic death. GOOD CHRISTIANS don't worry about looking like Jackie Kennedy during a funeral! GOOD CHRISTIANS don't go from salon to salon until they find one to DYE THE HAIR OF A SIX YEAR OLD CHILD! GOOD CHRISTIANS DON'T LIE. GOOD CHRISTIANS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND DON'T BLAME EVERYONE BUT THEMSELVES FOR THEIR MISTAKES! And finally.........GOOD CHRISTIANS DON'T BRAG ABOUT BEING GOOD CHRISTIANS!!!

    TOO TRUSTING??? They had convinced themselves within the first HOURS of the investigation that the police were after them and got lawyers and then refused to grant an interview with the very people who could investigate this crime. They left town AND DIDN'T COME BACK. I don't call that trusting at all!

    The Ramseys were extremely lucky that the BPD bungled this crime scene!
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    Maikai

    I am an avowed fence sitter, but the mere fact that the Rs lawyered up to the degree that they did has always made me very suspicious. Even if that can be chalked up to taking someone else's advice, then the fact that they themselves did not constantly bombard the police station makes me suspect. I realize that their attorneys reportedly advised them not to do that, however, John was a big CEO and capable of making decisions. I think they have to take responsibility for their lack of "cooperation" with the police. Within a few hours of finding their child's body, they lawyered everyone up to the inth degree....and started their own investigation, counter to the police. Something about that picture seems very out of place, to me.

    And now we have Haddon and Co, in another part of Colorado, claiming that the police bungled Kobe Bryant's case. Is there a pattern here, by the R's attorneys, to create a diversion?

    IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah
    I am an avowed fence sitter, but the mere fact that the Rs lawyered up to the degree that they did has always made me very suspicious. Even if that can be chalked up to taking someone else's advice, then the fact that they themselves did not constantly bombard the police station makes me suspect. I realize that their attorneys reportedly advised them not to do that, however, John was a big CEO and capable of making decisions. I think they have to take responsibility for their lack of "cooperation" with the police. Within a few hours of finding their child's body, they lawyered everyone up to the inth degree....and started their own investigation, counter to the police. Something about that picture seems very out of place, to me.


    IMO
    And going on CNN with JonBenet not dead a week later to claim their innocence (amazing how they managed to put themselves together for the interview) And to state they'd work with police. Then wait months to talk to the very people who were trying to catch the killers of their daughter.

    John said he'd take a polygraph and when the BPD asked him to, he said he was INSULTED. Why? Why not clear your name?

    Of course the list goes on and on...John says 'this' and John says "that" and John does nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah
    Within a few hours of finding their child's body, they lawyered everyone up to the inth degree....and started their own investigation, counter to the police. Something about that picture seems very out of place, to me.IMO
    It wasn't long before it was known the people the Ramseys turned to for help (BPD) in the very early hours had also made mistakes in those crucial early hours. Hiring of experts was not done to counter the police, but to help them. The experts were offered to the BPD on a silver platter. JR as a CEO relied on experts in various fields in his business. Why should this have been any different? They had no clue how they were suppose to act, and were in no condition to make their own decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai
    It wasn't long before it was known the people the Ramseys turned to for help (BPD) in the very early hours had also made mistakes in those crucial early hours. Hiring of experts was not done to counter the police, but to help them. The experts were offered to the BPD on a silver platter. JR as a CEO relied on experts in various fields in his business. Why should this have been any different? They had no clue how they were suppose to act, and were in no condition to make their own decisions.
    Wrong again Maikai. The hiring of experts was to keep them out of prison. They themselves have admitted that. They were in no condition to make their own decisions, yet they made the decision to appear on LKL. They state to this day that they spoke with police, etc AGAINST THEIR LAWYER'S ADVICE. So how very convenient that they make very selective decisions when it is to their advantage, but not for JonBenet's advantage.

    AND THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN A CONDITION! No excuses. There are no other parents of murder victims who drugged and drank themselves into a condition that prevented them from talking to police! Find me any parent of a murder victim who claimed to be "in no condition" to speak with police. And to top it off, were in a condition to go on national tv and to arrange a photo op at their own child's memorial service.

    What a load of *****!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai
    They had no clue how they were suppose to act, and were in no condition to make their own decisions.
    No clue how to act???
    How about acting like INNOCENT people!

    If you want to see how INNOCENT people act when a child is taken and murdered, just look at the Van Damms, and the Klass and Walsh famlies.

    The Ramseys are involved in their daughter's death up to their eyeballs, and they acted accordingly from the moment they made the 911 call.

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