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    2009.02.18 Pull-ups and/or training pants found at crime scene

    Pieces of a suspected diaper / pull-ups were found at the crime scene. These were assigned codes G50, G53, G54, G55 when collected and entered into evidence as Items #2, #5, #3, #1 (respectively), Tag H-60516. Evidence page 3401.

    Collected from the house during execution of the search warrant (property tag H-60498) was Item #21 one package of "Little Mermaid" pull-ups (from Guest/Office closet) and Item #47 three "Little Mermaid" pull-ups (from Caylee's bedroom chest of drawers). Evidence page 3406 and 3407.

    All of the above were turned over to the FBI for comparison on January 13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWG View Post
    Pieces of a suspected diaper / pull-ups were found at the crime scene. These were assigned codes G50, G53, G54, G55 when collected and entered into evidence as Items #2, #5, #3, #1 (respectively), Tag H-60516. Evidence page 3401.

    Collected from the house during execution of the search warrant (property tag H-60498) was Item #21 one package of "Little Mermaid" pull-ups (from Guest/Office closet) and Item #47 three "Little Mermaid" pull-ups (from Caylee's bedroom chest of drawers). Evidence page 3406 and 3407.

    All of the above were turned over to the FBI for comparison on January 13.

    Far be it from me to know much about child development but wouldn't Caylee have been potty-trained already?

    If so, this could have some other implications.. that she had pull-ups.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jai-yen View Post
    Far be it from me to know much about child development but wouldn't Caylee have been potty-trained already?

    If so, this could have some other implications.. that she had pull-ups.



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    Not necessarily. All kids are different.

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    Yeah In my day (older than dirt :-) our kids were trained at 2, nowdays its anytime pre-school and people seem to resort to these pull ups instead of training them faster or use them in case of accidents.

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    I do not believe she was potty trained. There was a text message from Casey to one of her girlfriends saying that she was so proud of Caylee for pooping on the potty. This was in March I think. I personally think she was too lazy to PT. There has never been talk of little girl undies in this case, just pull-ups, in the car as well I believe.

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    Many preschools require 2 year olds to be potty trained. But since Caylee wasn't in a program, I guess it wasn't much of a priority. (Too much work for a party girl to pay attention to her child's needs?) My girls were trained at 2, my granddaughter at 2, also. Diapers and pull ups are waaay expensive, but since Casey wasn't buying them, none of it seemed to be a concern of hers.
    As I received information, and relayed it to the defendant after her arrest, she continued to claim ignorance and at times, laughed at the situation. She still failed to show any outward signs of remorse or concern for her missing two year old daughter.
    --Yuri Melich, arrest warrant, July 16, 2008

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    It's possible that Caylee wore pull-ups only overnight. Thus, indicating she was killed at night? Guess we need more info.

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    As the mother of 3 children, one of whom is 3.5, I can assure you that I worked diligently to potty train and my 3.5yr old is taught to use the potty at school. She is not fully potty trained and it is not unusual. We use pullups anytime there is a chance that we will not be within 30 seconds of a bathroom (so on car trips, grocery store runs, etc. At school and home she wears underwear.)

    From the American Academy of Pediatrics:
    The right time depends on your child's physical and psychological development. Children younger than 12 months have no control over bladder or bowel movements and little control for 6 months or so after that. Between 18 and 24 months, children often start to show signs of being ready, but some children may not be ready until 30 months or older.

    Your child must also be emotionally ready. He needs to be willing, not fighting you or showing signs of fear. If your child resists strongly, it is best to wait for a while.
    http://www.aap.org/publiced/BR_ToiletTrain.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by jai-yen View Post
    Far be it from me to know much about child development but wouldn't Caylee have been potty-trained already?

    If so, this could have some other implications.. that she had pull-ups.



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    It is normal not to have been potty trained. My twin boys are the age now that Caylee was when she went missing (they will be 3 in April) and still no signs of being ready despite talking about it a lot and watching videos. The most they will do is sit on it bare bummed for about 3 seconds. Our doc said no worries, let them do it when they are ready. The doc wouldn't seek any kind of intervention unless they were 4.5 and not trained.

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    My daughter and granddaughter lived with us for a while during transitional times for them. We had been "working on" potty training. On the day grandbaby turned 3 I sat her down for a little heart to heart talk. She got cute "big girl" panties for her birthday and I told her that she was going to wear them. No more pullups. It didn't take long for her to learn to go potty because she didn't like being wet. We did still use the pullups for times away from a potty, as someone else mentioned, but I think that was why it was hard to train her, because the pullups didn't let her know what it was like to wet herself in cloth undies.

    So anyway, I don't think it was anyone's "fault" that (if) Caylee wasn't completely potty trained at that point.


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    Sorry but that has nothing to do with whether Casey was Lazy Or not - as in if Caylee wasnt potty trained it doesnt mean Casey was lazy

    My little girl was a late toiletier as well and in fact never used a potty, refused , SCREAMED , but finally went when she was older than Caylee on a kids toilet seat inside the toilet

    Kids are All different.

    Wearnig pull ups has nothing to do with Casey's parenting skills or anything else

    The only thing it has to do with is that they were taken in for evidence. From Crime / Death Scene and the home

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    Thanks to everyone who answered this question for me. I don't have children so it was a logical thing to address so that I could have some context.

    I'm not making any judgments about how soon children are typically potty-trained.

    The two things that came to mind though are these:

    1) The defense could discredit it if there is evidence that Caylee was potty-trained,

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    2) since that area seems to have been a hang-out for kids to sit around and drink/smoke pot/etc., the defense could *still* claim it is just garbage that was left there by someone else.

    It does open up some possibilities.

    I am unable to read .pdf files so if this has already been addressed in the documents, I am unaware.

    Thanks, all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Misfitdolly View Post
    It is normal not to have been potty trained. My twin boys are the age now that Caylee was when she went missing (they will be 3 in April) and still no signs of being ready despite talking about it a lot and watching videos. The most they will do is sit on it bare bummed for about 3 seconds. Our doc said no worries, let them do it when they are ready. The doc wouldn't seek any kind of intervention unless they were 4.5 and not trained.
    this kinda reminded me of a story my sil told me when she was potty training her son. she would let him run around bare bottomed during the day and pull ups at night. believe it or not it worked. the one time when he went to use the potty the lid fell down on yo know...that area. needless to say 7 years later (hes ten) he still holds the lid when he pees. i thought somebody could use a chuckle in light of what came out today.

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    Caylee was in the process of being potty trained.

    Text message from Casey to Amy June 9 @ 3:36PM, "Caylee just pooped in her potty for the first time!"

    Bless her heart

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    It seems like this has already been well covered, but the fact that Caylee was still wearing pull-ups is NOT a sign of laziness. My 2.5 year old is still in pull-ups; PTing has been challenging!!

    OK, I was in the grocery store tonight & decided to look around at the pullups. Bearing in mind that diaper companies DO change their look/printed characters from time to time, it hasn't been too long since Caylee went missing. My son is in Pampers pull-ups, which feature Diego. The girl version of the pull-ups is Dora.

    Moving on down the isle, I found Huggies Pull-ups. There's only one that specifically features the Little Mermaid, and that is the "cool alert" style.

    Don't know why this is worth showing you, but here are the different illustrations from that brand & style.
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