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    Talking About the pineapple

    Hi, I'm new here. I've read a lot about the pineapple evidence in JonBenet's intestines & how a lot of people believe that Patsy was lying when she said JB didn't have any pineapple before going to bed. I think it's very possible that there was no "pineapple coverup" because PR may not have known that JB had the snack. PR was telling the truth. This is what I picture: Patsy & John are in bed & so are the kids (or so Patsy thinks). Kids are notorious for sneaking out of their beds after the parents have gone to sleep. Using a flashlight (there was one in Burke's room & also this could account for a neighbor seeing a flickering light on in the kitchen), it's possible that Burke & JB went down into the kitchen (or Burke might have gone first & JB heard him & followed him). The reason I say Burke may have gone first is because I think the pineapple was originally meant to be Burke's snack. Two things point to this: there was a glass of tea next to the bowl. I remember reading where Burke liked to drink tea in a tall glass. Also, JB's fingerprints were not on the bowl, glass or spoon, but Burke's were. So, there's Burke, trying to have his snack in peace & his pesky little sister comes along & tries to take some of the chunks out of the bowl with her fingers, thus not leaving any fingerprints (I mean no disrespect to JB here - my heart breaks for her - but some of us know how annoying younger siblings can be). Perhaps they started bickering, Burke hit her on the head w/the flashlight - not realizing the deadly consequences. Once JB was knocked out, he panicked & ran to his parents' room & they began the cover-up. OR - it's also possible that NOTHING sinister happened as Burke & JB ate the pineapple. Perhaps they just ate a little bit & went back to bed. This is where my intruder theory comes in. I believe that someone came into the house after the kids were back in their rooms asleep (no forced entry? didn't have to be one - why couldn't the killer have a key or perhaps one of the doors was unlocked, thus permitting easy access to the house? Also very possible that the basement window was the point of entry - I tend to suspect it was the latter). I believe it was supposed to be a kidnapping. The rambling ransom note was written beforehand & carried in the killer's pocket. Yes, the pad & pen came from the house. If the killer had a key or perhaps was known to the Ramseys, he could've easily taken the pad & pen with him at an earlier time when he was in the house (perhaps visiting the Ramseys?) so as to implicate the Ramseys later on. He went up to JB's room (this person was very familiar with the Ramsey house) & stun-gunned her. Why did he need to do this? An adult could easily overpower a 45-lb little girl, right? Right - except why take the chance of the girl struggling or screaming during the abduction, thus alerting her parents or brother? It was easier (and safer) to render her unconscious. Once he got to her bedroom, perhaps JB wasn't sound asleep & did struggle a little bit (thus explaining the hair ties scattered on the floor & the disturbed drape behind the bed). The killer subdues her with the stun-gun, carries her down the spiral staircase (this is where tiny pieces of the green Christmas garland wrapped around the staircase gets caught in her hair). He takes her down to the basement & plans to hoist her through the broken window through which he gained access to. But, something goes horribly wrong. JB woke up at this time & began to struggle & scream (neighbor heard a scream). Panicking, the killer hits her hard on the head w/his own flashlight, rendering her unconscious. But, he thinks that he killed her - thus the kidnapping has been foiled. He decides to cut his losses & leave the body in the basement, but before he departs, he sexually molests JB, using the makeshift garrote as part of a sexual bondage fantasy. Once done, he leaves the scene of the crime, forgetting all about the RN he left upstairs.
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    Very interesting.
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    Although I lean toward the intruder theory, I would not take anyone's name off the suspect list, including the Ramseys. IF I were the DA of Boulder, I couldn't exonerate anyone OR if I were on a jury, I couldn't convict anyone. There's just too many possible theories/scenarios to conclusively decide that, "Yeah, this one person did it." That's what makes this case so intriguing - ANYONE could have done it. ANYONE could have had a motive - from anger to jealousy or to hurt the Ramseys. Or, it may have been just an accident followed by a parental cover-up. I hope that one day this haunting case does get solved so that little JB can finally rest in peace. If only the police that fateful day had properly secured the crime scene, we probably wouldn't even be talking about this today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    Very interesting.
    LOL...ahhh, come on Dave..is that ALL you have to say about the first post? I started to respond but, didn't have enough time OR ENERGY to explain the whole why would an intruder take the time to wipe her down, redress her, wrap her in a blanket like a papoose, John's shirt fibers were found in the crotch area of the clean, unwashed panties, yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah...thing. I was counting on you man.
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    Why wipe down the Ramsey flashlight and BATTERIES, then, if the intruder had his own. Sorry, but the hoisting up and out the window just don't make sense to me. There were SO many doors. All locked doors can be opened from INSIDE. There was no need to climb out the window, and the undisturbed spider web and other debris in the window well indicate NO one climbed in or out. To have done so would mean removing the metal grate, and that would have broken the spider web and disturbed the leaves and such.
    I could possibly see JBR having the pineapple snack unknown to her parents, but I can't imagine any good reason why BR would not mention this. If he is being told NOT to mention it, then it points away from an intruder anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    Why wipe down the Ramsey flashlight and BATTERIES, then, if the intruder had his own. Sorry, but the hoisting up and out the window just don't make sense to me. There were SO many doors. All locked doors can be opened from INSIDE. There was no need to climb out the window, and the undisturbed spider web and other debris in the window well indicate NO one climbed in or out. To have done so would mean removing the metal grate, and that would have broken the spider web and disturbed the leaves and such.
    I could possibly see JBR having the pineapple snack unknown to her parents, but I can't imagine any good reason why BR would not mention this. If he is being told NOT to mention it, then it points away from an intruder anyway.
    Exactly...Burke would have said something, if this had of been the case. And John himself said that JB would have never gone down to the kitchen by herself, at night. (Implying that the "intruder" must have fed her that pineapple snack).
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    Also, there was a practice note thrown away in the garbage, if the intruder already had it in his pocket, why would that be there? I do like how you think though because I was thinking the same thing. That the pad and pen could have been taken before that night.

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    Hey @ dalcanton. Thanks for laying out your one perp IDI scenario. Very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovemew View Post
    Also, there was a practice note thrown away in the garbage, if the intruder already had it in his pocket, why would that be there? I do like how you think though because I was thinking the same thing. That the pad and pen could have been taken before that night.

    If the pad and pen had of been taken before that night, then the intruder would have written the note inside HIS home, and not the Ramseys, and there would have been no practice note...as you said. He would have placed the RN in his pocket...and not brought the pen and paper pad BACK to the the Ramsey house, with him...the night of the break in. That would sort of defeat the purpose of taking it beforehand, wouldn't it? Besides that, why would he have bothered to bring those things back with him....it would have been hard to climb through that tiny basement window, carrying a pen and a pad of paper. The "intruder" taking the pad and pen before that night, and then being so kind as to bring them back to the Ramsey home, makes no sense. Sorry, no offense.
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    makes no sense. Sorry, no offense. - Ames

    Hi Ames. Yes .... but there's always a personality/psychological profile, based on hand writing analysis of the ransom note, provided by an 'expert' ..... that can help fill in those blanks.

    IDI as a hoarder, practice note, disguised handwriting to resemble PR in the vendetta against PR scenario ....


    hmmmm ..... I must admit, I'm terribly dissmissive of some scenarios ..... It's such a ..... SSSSSTTRETCHHHHH ...... for my imagination .... I need some Ti Chi.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    LOL...ahhh, come on Dave..is that ALL you have to say about the first post? I started to respond but, didn't have enough time OR ENERGY to explain the whole why would an intruder take the time to wipe her down, redress her, wrap her in a blanket like a papoose, John's shirt fibers were found in the crotch area of the clean, unwashed panties, yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah...thing. I was counting on you man.
    Easy, Ames. I just wanted to see where he was going with it. Besides, I had half an inkling he knew all that. And I'd like to see him explain it.
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    Bare with me as I try to explain one of the reasons why I can't see an IDI theory as a possibility.
    Look at the amount of money in the note. This tells me that it's not about the money. The perp could have asked for much more, but he didn't. That tells me that a supposed perp would have felt that John's bonus should have been his, and this perp was going to take what he saw as John's most precious posession until he got it. So we basically have a jealous crazed maniac willing to go to any lengths to hurt John and take back what he felt was his. IMO
    Now I'm not looking at how the plan actually played out, but at the actual planning for this next part.
    The perp knows John, he knows the house well. I mean, come on, you have to have spent some time there to know a persons basement so well! So his plan was to go in, leave a note, take JB, and get out of there. Then to exchange JB for the money later.
    But with the extent of JB's injuries the perp was not only a jealous crazed maniac, but he was also a sexual deviant.
    How does that play out in the whole return thing?
    When someone kidnaps for ransom, how can the sexual aspect play into it? If the psycho knew he had other plans for JB, he would take her and play them out with no ransom note and no plan for return. And a sexual deviant isn't going to plan a kidnapping with no plan of sexually harming the child. It's not like he could just do what he was going to do to JB and return her in exchange for the money!!!!! The first thing I would do is bring my child to the emergency room to make sure she was okay... not drugged, not hurt, etc. Then I would take her to a psychiatrist!!! No matter how much he threatened her about not saying anything, she would.
    I got on a bit of a tangent here, and I'm not even positive I am making sense. I hope you can follow me. Again, it's not about how it happened, but how it would have had to have been PLANNED to happen. This is just one of many reasons I can't go with the IDI theory.
    It just looks like the Ramsey's were throwing everything at the wall with hopes that something would stick... I also think they were covering up prior abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    Easy, Ames. I just wanted to see where he was going with it. Besides, I had half an inkling he knew all that. And I'd like to see him explain it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by armywife210 View Post
    Bare with me as I try to explain one of the reasons why I can't see an IDI theory as a possibility.
    Look at the amount of money in the note. This tells me that it's not about the money. The perp could have asked for much more, but he didn't. That tells me that a supposed perp would have felt that John's bonus should have been his, and this perp was going to take what he saw as John's most precious posession until he got it. So we basically have a jealous crazed maniac willing to go to any lengths to hurt John and take back what he felt was his. IMO
    Now I'm not looking at how the plan actually played out, but at the actual planning for this next part.
    The perp knows John, he knows the house well. I mean, come on, you have to have spent some time there to know a persons basement so well! So his plan was to go in, leave a note, take JB, and get out of there. Then to exchange JB for the money later.
    But with the extent of JB's injuries the perp was not only a jealous crazed maniac, but he was also a sexual deviant.
    How does that play out in the whole return thing?
    When someone kidnaps for ransom, how can the sexual aspect play into it? If the psycho knew he had other plans for JB, he would take her and play them out with no ransom note and no plan for return. And a sexual deviant isn't going to plan a kidnapping with no plan of sexually harming the child. It's not like he could just do what he was going to do to JB and return her in exchange for the money!!!!! The first thing I would do is bring my child to the emergency room to make sure she was okay... not drugged, not hurt, etc. Then I would take her to a psychiatrist!!! No matter how much he threatened her about not saying anything, she would.
    I got on a bit of a tangent here, and I'm not even positive I am making sense. I hope you can follow me. Again, it's not about how it happened, but how it would have had to have been PLANNED to happen. This is just one of many reasons I can't go with the IDI theory.
    It just looks like the Ramsey's were throwing everything at the wall with hopes that something would stick... I also think they were covering up prior abuse.
    You got THAT right!
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    There was no intruder. Nothing confirms an intruder. All the evidence points to in house. JonBenet knew her killer(s).

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