LE and this case

This was starting to threaten to take over a thread. My fault I admit it, but if I give it it's own thread maybe the mods won't strangle me. :blowkiss:

How does everyone feel about the tight lipped nature of LE in regards to Haleigh? Is it just a new sheriff that wants to make sure he has all his ducks in a row? Are they already zeroed in on a suspect and just trying to be quiet about it?

Most everyone here seems to have followed Caylee's case and we know about the massive amounts of info released in that case. Haleigh's case seems to be just the opposite.

Personally, I think that it's a good thing that they are being so quiet. The response in Caylee's case was overwhelming for everyone including LE, thus 1500 psychic tips, some involving urine and Ferris wheels. I was never in favor of how much information was released with the last case of this nature, especially when you consider that even with the Sunshine Law in FL, they could have gotten an injunction against releasing everything.

Others thoughts?

I'm not sure how I feel about the LE in this case. I have times where I almost want to scream when they say "no comment" or "we are not going to discuss this/that". But then I have times where I think to myself, they certainly have to know more than I do and know what they are doing!

I do think they could tell us just a tad bit more though...

It has nothing to do with tight lips. Casey was arrested so the sunshine law takes affect. If she was let go and not charged then there would be no info in caylee's case eithor.

The only reason that makes sense, to me anyway, is that they know it's not an "abduction", they know who is responsible and they are waiting for them to hang themselves. The info that they put out is way to "generic". Then they throw out a couple of specific things, which appears to try and up the pressure. moo.

ETA...And we have the statement of the Sheriff that he's is keeping it listed as an abduction because "we get more bang for the buck"....that struck me as strange.

I think the LE are on the ball with this case, it's not just local, it's FDLE as well and they've handled kidnapping cases before. They also have the FBI involved. I'm sure they have good reason for not releasing much info, especially if any of the family has an idea who it is, they may not want them to run.

I can understand being tight-lipped about things during an investigation on certain things but I just think that by giving out a little bit of solid information helps everybody try to figure out what really happened. Maybe LE knows what we know...nothing! Now that's a scary thought!

LE said they have gotten over 1200 tips on this case already. I don't think them being tightlipped is going to stop the unverifiable tips. This is a given.

I do think they have not released enough information to the public and this could cost them in the search for Haleigh...especially if they believe she could be alive (which I don't think is the case).

OCSO has done a fantastic job in the other case and I cannot find fault with them at all.

i have seen a bunch of comments that i think are consistent with that maybe the police have reason to believe that this is an abduction by a relative or person known by the family, and that haleigh is likely still alive so they dont want to say anything to put her in any more jeopardy.

just a hunch but several times i have read their comments and that is exactly what comes to mind "they are trying not to rile someone up".

i thought the father sounded on the 911 call like he had some idea who he should be looking for, there was something odd about how he sounded, he didnt sound guilty to me, but he didnt sound quite right either.

i dont know, i just hope the kid is ok.

LE is being very smart in this. They're in small town USA, where everyone knows each other / or everyone is related. Mostly everyone knows the key players & are friends or enemies to the families involved.

Put in context LE probably couldn't even get any info while they were in Satsuma from witnesses. Most feared retaliation, so LE moved command center to Palatka.In hopes of more info. Probably most friends & neighbors would have to fear retaliation for talking. This does hapen in the USA.Its not what you know its who you know.The good old boy system.

We have not heard from anyone who said a bad word, a leak here & there is it. I suspect the leaks come from LE, not anyone who knows them personally.

tehcloser said:

The only reason that makes sense, to me anyway, is that they know it's not an "abduction", they know who is responsible and they are waiting for them to hang themselves. The info that they put out is way to "generic". Then they throw out a couple of specific things, which appears to try and up the pressure. moo.

ETA...And we have the statement of the Sheriff that he's is keeping it listed as an abduction because "we get more bang for the buck"....that struck me as strange.

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I have to agree there, the reasoning behind the classification of the case gets me too. I don't think I've ever heard it put quite that way before.

I am bringing this over from another thread I just posted it on....the one about the abandoned car.

I also found this interesting:

"Deputies swarm her neighborhood and take note of the railroad tracks. Dispatch informs them a train just passed through."
http://tinyurl.com/brxwdp


Where was that train going? If someone took Haleigh, they could have abandoned the car and hopped on that train! This case is SO frustrating. I agree that LE should keep some details close to the vest, but at the same time with so little information, people may not be seeing things that are significant and realizing that they should call LE. For instance, the two men I saw walking along the side of the road in Augusta, Georgia on this past Tuesday. One of them looked a lot like Chad Reynolds, and he was holding the hand of a little girl that was Haleigh's age, the other guy was a bit older, and looked like Robert Plant from Led Zepplin when he had shoulder length hair - and he was wearing a backpack, and holding the hand of a smaller child that was a little boy. It just looked out of place and odd, the way they were walking seemed "tense" and hurried. I called the tip line yesterday and was told that the computer was down right then. They acted like they didn't want to take the information. It was probably nothing......but who is to say that CR and another SO are travelling up the East Coast? Remember Elizabeth Smart???

Soon to be hubby did point a very good point to me, while reading over my shoulder.
To quote him. "Holding some stuff back is good, but what about the important things? No reports even mentioned the birthmark on her cheek. They could hold back investigative details, but isn't a full, accurate description of her a little different?"

He can't get an account, same IP address, so sometimes I have to post his thoughts too. I thought that was a good one.

The only thing that makes sense to me in reference to LE's handling of the media/public is that they know absolutely that there was no stranger abduction. I think as time goes on they are zeroing in more and more on the family, and their immediate acquaintences, and that's precisely where the attention will stay.

Sadly, I suspect that Haleigh is no longer with us.

Oh why oh why oh why do they still have possession of the trailer?
I would think, they would want an innocent, grieving family to be able to at least sleep in their own bed at night while their daughter is missing. It has been a good while now.....They are in a tent outside. I guess Id have to sleep with Robert Shapiro to be able to afford him, but I would do my best to be in my home, close to my missing daughters things, and my own things. Like my bed and shower. And privacy!!

LE said the can't tell allot of info because it is vitale to the investigation right now.
To me I wonder if they are looking very close to a family member. IMO

passionflower said:

LE said the can't tell allot of info because it is vitale to the investigation right now.
To me I wonder if they are looking very close to a family member. IMO

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ITA! and, in my opinion, that's the reason they aren't being allowed back in the trailer.

not_my_kids said:

Soon to be hubby did point a very good point to me, while reading over my shoulder.
To quote him. "Holding some stuff back is good, but what about the important things? No reports even mentioned the birthmark on her cheek. They could hold back investigative details, but isn't a full, accurate description of her a little different?"

He can't get an account, same IP address, so sometimes I have to post his thoughts too. I thought that was a good one.

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I predict you are going to marry a very smart man.

I could not agree more. There are few details coming out which would not hinder this case, but put more emphasis on her exact description etc. In so many cases, there is a lack of detail concerning the missing person. (This is why I would like to see a standard across the nation for LE to follow for this type of information.)

Tip Takes Search for Haleigh to Tennessee
Created: 2/18/2009 6:54:32 PM
Updated: 2/19/2009 9:02:05 AM

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SATSUMA, FL -- The search for Haleigh took investigators to Tennessee, First Coast News has learned.
The Tennessee Highway Patrol confirms that Sunday afternoon a witness claimed to have seen a man with a girl matching Haleigh's description at a Carrabba's in Knoxville.
There was a brief search which resulted in nothing.

Article:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...131662&catid=3

This is an example of what we will be seeing a lot more of and what I do not want to hinder this case as it did in the other one. Repeated claims of children in public possibly being Haleigh without specifics in their "tips" and being unable to substantiate the claims. It ties up LE and the FBI.

Well, I can tell you how I feel in this case. I am getting disgusted! An Amber Alert was issused for a missing little 5 year old girl. At that point it becomes everyones business. Haleigh is a tiny little girl who is no longer with people she lived with and loved. She may be scared to death and sick. Worse yet, she may be with a pedophile. Or dead (hate to say it). The FBI is involved and they do not do press conferences. Local law enforcement has the jusrisdiction. Local LE should not hold daily press conferences if they will not answer simple questions and also state that they cannot answer the question.

We have found out many things about each person in her family. None have stellar reputations. Her grandmother, Mrs. Neves, appears to be the most decent one and maybe the greatgrandmother. Haleigh was living in a community of sex offenders.

My gloves are off on this one. Apparently Ronald had a fight with one of Misty's cousins and a gun was stolen. LE found an abandoned car. Had it been lived in? Was the car a broken down car, or a rusted out one? I know LE can track the car from the VIN number. So why not come right out and talk openly about the car? It makes no sense. LE wouldn't even answer the question about whether or not Haleigh was even in school the day she disappeared. Simple question. We found out she was, but why not have answered that question?

In this case, I am frustrated with LE beyond words. There is such a thing as being too tight lipped. I know LE doesn't want the key people to lawyer up and stop cooperating. Well, tough chit. The time has come to play hard ball. Let the key people get lawyers. Watch each person like a hawk - their every movement. Let them see that this is going to be every day and every night until someone comes across with the truth. Ask for another polygraph. Polygraph everyone on Crystal's side of the family. Her husband also. Stay on everyone everyday. Let's see who stops cooperating first.

My worry and concern is with Haleigh, not any of the others. Plain and simple, a 16 year old (16 at the time) should not have moved in with a 25 year old man to play house and at the same time become responsible for two small children, one only 5 and the other only 2 years old. Apparently everyone thought it was okay on both sides of the family and even with Misty's family.

If the search has gone to TN. with a sighting in Knoxville, just come right out and say it in the press conference and say that, but still focus around the home town area.

I am beginning to think that this is a copycat disappearance fashioned after Caylee. It seems planned. People say Ronald was at work. Well, it could have happened before he went to work. I do not take anyone's word except LE's and the FBI. LE just may have stumbled upon something like they did in the Brooke Bennett case involving child pornographers in other states. Then I might see the need for all the secrecy.

I have no idea what happened to Haleigh. Apparently LE doesn't either. The FBI may have a clue, but they do not give press conferences and surely would not broadcast it anyway. I would love for local LE to come right out and say that they are focusing on many people and watching them. It has been this long now, and if whoever has Caylee was going to kill her they probably have already done so.

Tell us about the abandoned car. Who's was it? Answer simple questions at press conferences or do not have them. LE doesn't have to tell us everything, but tell us something.

I am usually very pro LE, but not so much here. Still very pro FBI, though.

I think it is way too early to know if LE has handled this properly.

What bugs the crap out of me is why do they have all these press conferences? They never answer any of the questions asked of them. It is frustrating. Just do a press release, no need for a conference if you aren't going to answer the questions.